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Title: Obama & law enforcement
Post by: Andy Pickard on September 29, 2008, 11:19:54 PM
> I got this as an email from a friend.
> From Michigan State Trooper Jason Kern who is a member of
> the Michigan
> Tactical Officers Association (MTOA); you can click on the
> MTOA Webb site
> below, or contact Trooper Kern to verify this information by
> sending an
> E-mail to him at his listed E-mail address below. All
> Uniformed Federal,
> State, and Local Law Enforcement Officers should read
> Trooper Kern's E-mail
> and pass it on to your fellow Law Enforcement Officers.
> Respectfully,
> Former Federal Law Enforcement Officer and FBI Intelligence
> Analyst
> _____
> Subject: Obama in Battle Creek, MI
> From the original sender:
> As many of you know, I have several friends in law
> enforcement here in town.
> This was written by some one in the MI state police that
> worked at the local
> rally when Obama came to town. It's worth taking the time
> to read it
> Please pass this along to everyone that you have on your
> e-mail list because
> this is just the beginning if this arrogant, egotistical,
> super liberal,
> president wannabe gets into office....
> To all,
> I have read all of the emails from not only some of the MTOA
> board members,
> but from other Law Enforcement & Military personnel about
> Barack Obama's
> rudeness and what seems to be disgust for basically anyone
> in uniform. Well,
> it's my turn to add to the list of emailers and here it is:
> So members of the Calhoun County Sheriff's Department, MSP,
> and other local
> agencies inside Calhoun County are working with Secret
> Service in the
> security of Mr. Obama. Mr. Obama's bus arrives in Battle
> Creek and pulls
> into the stadium area. Before Mr. Obama exits the bus, he
> has the Secret
> Service get off and tell all Law Enforcement personnel in
> uniform that they
> now have to stand behind the bus so Mr. Obama is not seen
> with anyone in a
> Law Enforcement uniform before he gets off or while in the
> public view. So,
> everyone from MSP, Sheriff's Dept., and other agencies looks
> at each other
> for a brief second, goes and stands behind the bus out of
> sight so Mr. Obama
> does not have to see, or been seen with, what to him is
> 'undesirables' since
> he refuses to been seen or even acknowledge Military or Law
> Enforcement.
> At a time of war and terrorism in our world, this
> presidental candidate who
> is being protected by various branches of the military & law
> enforcement at
> the tax payers expense, refuses to acknowledge, be seen
> with, have in his
> photographed background, any type of Military or Law
> Enforcement in uniform.
> But this is not in the media or headlines in the news. Why?
> I wonder what
> the story or media fr enzy would be if it was muslims,
> blacks, whites, jews,
> or any other race, gender, religon, and/or occupation, that
> Mr. Obama
> refuses to be seen with or have around him.
> Why would Law Enforcement branches make this up? Law
> Enforcement
> traditionally has had more funding under Democrats.
> Just food for thought leading up to November 4th.
> Jason Kern
> Michigan Tactical Officer's Association
> Executive Board Member
> Training Committee
Title: Re: Obama & law enforcement
Post by: Texas Lawdog on September 29, 2008, 11:59:21 PM
Kudos to Mr. Kern for the info. Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid.  OBama is not the ANSWER.
Title: Re: Obama & law enforcement
Post by: Angel_Eyes on September 30, 2008, 04:05:33 AM
From an ex-soldier and ex-policeman from Britain,
                       your message needs to be posted as far and wide as possible, not just on Bold. If he doesn't want to be seen in the presence of Law and Military, what does this say about his attitude to the law and the general mass of the public.  I know that he may gain election (God forbid) but this does not put him above the law. Thats all I've got to say, I wish you the best of luck.

Title: Re: Obama & law enforcement
Post by: Black Powder on September 30, 2008, 12:18:23 PM
I've never worn the uniform.  When I see a man or woman in uniform, I'm in awe.  Obama hasn't worn it either and when he sees a man or woman in uniform, he's what?  Embarrassed?  Ashamed?  Maybe just better than...

To be so judged by him, please don't take it personally.  He can't figure out how to choose his sponsors and mentors (Ayers, Wright).

Title: Re: Obama & law enforcement
Post by: Top Kick Ken on October 01, 2008, 12:47:25 AM
I guess I should be shocked but I am not.
With an estimated 800,000 Law Enforcement and 1,400,000 (+) Military on Active Duty; that's not a group you want riled up.

I know how I am voting...and this just confirms and reinforces that.
Title: Re: Obama & law enforcement
Post by: aryfrosty on October 02, 2008, 08:15:20 AM
Not surprised. Generally politicians want their personal "shield" between them and the other elements, but once in a while...{ Maybe once a week ::) } ... A pol comes along who hates cops. The contempt of the Clintons for their protection details is legendary.  When Zell Miller was Lt. Governor in Georgia he once demanded that his Trooper escort/driver never be armed in his presence. Thank God the Colonel put the kibosh on that. My experience came when I was a Captain in a small Northwest Georgia town. We had a US Senator come to town for a rally held at a middle school. The City Police Commissioner ordered a detail to report to the school unarmed...."because it's at a school and guns scare kids!" Several "pocket rockets" were at the rally that day.
Title: Re: Obama & law enforcement
Post by: Marshal Sam Holland on October 02, 2008, 03:48:32 PM
I still believe in just say no..... to Osama, Obama, and Chelsea's Mamma!!!!
Title: Re: Obama & law enforcement
Post by: Arcey on October 03, 2008, 07:16:07 AM
Boys, if ya been payin’ attention ya know the worse thing a president can do for law enforcement is the appointment of liberal/socialist judges on a national level. Take a guess as to who of the two choices will do the worse to the rank ‘n file cops on the street. As well as the people. 'Nuff said.

A teacher in a liberal/socialist state asked her 6th grade class how many of them were Obama fans. Not really knowing what an Obama fan is, but wanting to be liked by the teacher, all the kids raised their hands except for Little Johnny.

The teacher asked Little Johnny why he has decided to be different again. Little Johnny said, 'Because I'm not an Obama fan.' The teacher asked, 'Why aren't you an Obama fan?'

Johnny said, 'Because I'm a Republican.' The teacher asked him why he's a Republican. Little Johnny answered, 'Well, my Mom's a Republican and my Dad's a Republican, so I'm a Republican.'

Annoyed by this answer, the teacher asked, 'If your mom was a moron and your dad was an idiot, what would that make you?' With a big smile, Little Johnny replied, 'That would make me an Obama fan.'   
Title: Re: Obama & law enforcement
Post by: Angel_Eyes on October 03, 2008, 09:13:12 AM
Arcey, all I can say is,,,,,,,Little Johnny fer President!!!
Title: Re: Obama & law enforcement
Post by: upgirl on October 10, 2008, 03:49:14 PM
I wonder if Jason Kern is still on the Executive Committee? His name is not on the website and there is a Training Commitee position open. I am always skeptical of these things until I know for sure whether the person in question wrote them. Not seeing his name on the website makes me wonder if he wasn't really a member or if there were repercussions after he wrote this. I hope it's true - than everyone can see Obama for what he really is.

Title: Re: Obama & law enforcement
Post by: Black Powder on October 10, 2008, 07:37:20 PM
I'm not in the undecided camp.  Still, fwiw I did find a site (with obvious leanings) that claims to have some further info on Jason Kern, allegedly from Jason Kern himself:

Title: Re: Obama & law enforcement
Post by: Sajo on October 16, 2008, 10:09:45 PM
This may be a hoax.  Doesn't make sense that the Secret Service would tell law enforcement Obama doesn't want to be seen with them.
Besides, here is a post by Jason Kern, found on another site:

Let me give you some background of this email.
I sent it out to my close co-workers and to the Michigan Tactical Officer's Association Board Members only. From there, it was sent all over this earth without my knowledge. I do NOT work for the Michigan State Police. I work for another agency. The MTOA nor myself make a habit of sending out emails like this. It was basically sent to my friends and one of them sent it out to someone else who sent it out to someone else and so on.
I also WAS NOT THERE. I had spoken with Law Enforcement personnel that their agency was involved with Mr. Obama's security prior to sending it out. My message starts at the "To all" section. I did not go on the ranting portion calling Mr. Obama names either.
If I offended you, I apologize. That is all the information I have on the visit to Battle Creek.
Jason Kern
Title: Re: Obama & law enforcement
Post by: Black Powder on October 16, 2008, 11:11:01 PM
That is verbatim what was printed in the link I referenced.  The fact that this story hasn't caught on, or perhaps somehow we missed it being discussed, makes the whole thing sound bogus to me.

I've had it up to my eyebrows as it is without this being thrown in the mix.  I hope it's not true, but it's a dead end, even if it comes as no surprise given the more than enough legit issues we have the right to know about that are still being dodged.

Title: Re: Obama & law enforcement
Post by: calvecg on October 22, 2008, 08:32:46 AM
You guys have all heard the joke about Obama at the pearly gates right? The one where he says he was sworn in 5 minutes ago?

My guess is Obama doesn't want it to look like he'll need to be blanketed with police in order to do his job. Its easy to imagine how a photo of Obama with 20 police officers around him would quickly be turned into "He needs 100s of cops around him for fear of being assasinated" or something like that.