New Shotguns heading our way?

[Dai.S.Loe]

I've long been a fan of the 1887 Winchester lever shotgun and have been following the progress of Coyote Cap and his purchase of such from Norinco.

He has received his first shipment of these and being the cheeky bugger I am I sent him an e-mail to see if he would be willing to sell one outside of the US.

Here is his reply, for all those of us interested, here in the antipodes.

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"Hi Chris, On my last trip to China, I had the opportunity to check out a
large shipment of shotguns bound for customers in New Zealand.

My understanding is that there are (500) of our new 1887 lever action
shotguns being sent to a dealer in New Zealand. I know the shipment of
those (500) shotguns was delayed by Interstate Arms Corp, until a shipment
was sent to the USA first.

That has been done as we have ours here now.

Check with your local dealer. They may have one for you very soon  "

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Now 500 shotguns is one hell of a lot to come into NZ at any one time, especially if they are all one type. What I am assuming is that this dealer may be planning on releasing them in OZ, also.

SO all you CAS shooters from down under keep an eye out. These shotties look like real fun.

I will be getting at least one for myself.

Dai.

[Texas Tall]

G'Day there Dai, Yeah 500 for NZ sure seems a lot so you may be right.
Constable Nelson aka Trooper has one here and has got it going pretty good,but some of the others were a bit of a headache I believe.
I had a go with his in Tassie last year and it didn't like re-loads but was fine with factory ammo but he may have sorted that by now,he'd be the guy to talk to and will be in NZ for the TransTasman I would think.
Would like to know what sort of Dollars they'll want for 'em over there.
 Regards............Texas Tall.
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[Dakota Dan from OZ]

Texas.
The one that Trooper has is an Aussie made one, They made them in Lithgow Small Arms factory and had them at Chislom Trail 98 or 99 were a few Aussie took the chance to order one. Trooper was one of the lucky ones to get his. I have seen the Chinese copy they look OK.I will wait till they let us use 97s

Dakota Dan from OZ

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[Dai.S.Loe]

They cant hit us for too many $$$$ over here. There are not that many CAS shooters in NZ (2-300).

I cant see the wildfowlers wanting them, nor the field shooters, only have 20" barrels.

They would sell as a novelty item to some though.

I actually have an import permit for an original I was thinking of buying in the UK when I was over there in October.

I might wait a bit on that one.

Dakota, whats this about 97's?  Arent you allowed them in Aussie?

Quite a few of my mates use them here. Not too partial to them myself but thats probably due to the facrt that I havent handled one very much.

Before coming to NZ 3 years ago and starting CAS I had only ever fired 2 rounds through a shotgun.

Living in the UK it was a bit hard to find somewhere to use a shotgun.

If I was there now I would be arrested as I remember there being a minimum barrel length of 24" for a s/gun and one of my SxS has only 18" barrels.


Dai.

[Dakota Dan from OZ]

No Dai.
We are not aloud to have pump shotguns for shooting CAS. Its a govt thing
Dakota Dan from OZ

[Dai.S.Loe]

So if one of us Kiwis goes over to shoot a comp in OZ we cant take pump action 97's?

Or is the law a hypocritical one just prohibiting Aussies in their own country and allowing us to bring ours over?

I wouldnt find that hard to believe.

I was in the UK when they banned handguns. Lost 13 of mine.

A few years later they were allowing overseas competitors to bring pistols into the country for the Commonwealth Games. Even the English pistol team who train in Switzerland.

I was one of the people picketing the games at Bisley that year.

Now they have the Olympics they are thinking of making another special dispensation just for the 2 weeks of those.

Dai.

[Dakota Dan from OZ]

Yes.
The government knows best. All kiwis that I have shot with over here use s/s,I do not think they are aloud to bring them in.

Dakota Dan from OZ

[Camille Eonich]

No Dai.
We are not aloud to have pump shotguns for shooting CAS. Its a govt thing
Dakota Dan from OZ

 

[Dakota Dan from OZ]

Not happy about this   would love to have one in the stable for CAS shooting.

Dakota dan from OZ

[Dai.S.Loe]

Heard a rumour that some anti firearm Ms in your country, Victoria I think, is trying to get SxS 's banned because to her way of thinking, having a second barrel ready to fire straight after the first is "automatic"

Dont you just love the ignorance of some people.

Off to a shoot this weekend in Waipawa near Napier. 4 1/2 hors drive.

Next weekend off to Kaikohe 3 1/2 hours north for another shoot.

Been reloading all week. Now have 1000 .44spl and .44mag BP rounds. and 500 BP 12 guage, all ready. Should keep me going for a few weeks.

Dai.

[Texas Tall]

Yes Dai ignorance is right,you wouldn't believe some of the things that are stated by political boffins and anti-gunners,but as usual it dosn't stop the bad guys.
Do you have to go thru a 28day cooling off period each time you purchase a new piece,.?
 See ya ...........T.T.
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[Dakota Dan from OZ]

Looks like you are going to have a great couple of weekends of filling the air with smoke. Should try and make it two our Blackpowder shoot in November 2006 it will be based on Deadwood.

Dakota Dan from OZ.

[Dai.S.Loe]

...
Do you have to go thru a 28day cooling off period each time you purchase a new piece,.?
 See ya ...........T.T.
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No cooling off period.

Walk into gunshop, show them licence for "A" catagory firearms (rifles and shotguns). Pay your money and walk out. No registration of serials, no limit, minimum lenght for rifle and shotgun is 740 mm overall.

Suppressors can be bought by anyone walking in off the street. unlike US where they need a special licence.

BP, and all reloading components can be bought by anyone, no licence needed. UK needs explosives licence to hold BP.

Pistols are a little more complicated. Have to have pistol licence, then when buying a new pistol you need a permit to procure from police. Take that to shop, buy pistol. Take pistol back to police and serial number is registered to your licence. Max number of pistols allowed 12 (but can be extended). Min of 4" barrel.

Collectors licence allows you to collect pistols with less than 4" barrels and working machineguns. Not allowed legally to fire any firearm on a collectors licence.

Military style firearms. ie large capacity mags on semi auto rifles, bayoney lugs, flash hiders etc. need to get an "E" cat licence.

Pistol, collectors and military style semi autos need a different class of licence to get and require higher security than normal rifle and shotgun. When I got my rifle/shotgun licence they asked me as a security measure to chain them to the water tank in a closet with a 2mm chain.

There is pretty much no restriction on what can be owned here once a person has the right security and licence.

I have acouple of mates with working MP5's (semi only) and one or two full auto versions. Cant fire the full outo but can the semi"s.

Onother mate has a working Bren gun and a .50 M1 Browning on his collectors licence. Both in working condition. He is at the moment getting his 20mm Olerkion back to working condition.


Dai.

[Texas Tall]

Souds pretty good Dai, do whatever it takes to keep it that way as some of the pollies and anti guners can only cause you headaches. .
 Regards.T.T.
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[Dakota Dan from OZ]

And we have plenty of headaches over here.

Keep it simple. We are not the bad guy's

Dai it used be like that here with longarms and now as Texas has said 28 days cooling off before you can buy anything.

Dakota dan from Oz

[Dai.S.Loe]

...Dai it used be like that here with longarms and now as Texas has said 28 days cooling off before you can buy anything.

Dakota dan from Oz

What about sales between shooters.

Here in NZ one shooter can sell another rifles or shotguns without having to report the sale or in any way record it.

One a rifle or shotgun has left a gundealers it is pretty much lost as far as records go. I could buy one today, sell it to a mate tomorrow who could sell it on to another shooter 5 min later and we do not have to notify the "powers that be" .

Makes it really hard if they ever decide to gather such firearms up here in NZ. They have no idea who owns what or where it is and we have no legal obligation to let these powers inspect rifles or shotties and record serials.

Dai

[Dakota Dan from OZ]

No.

Everthing has to go though a dealer or be witnessed by by one. I spend alot of time witnessing deals between shooters,as I work for a dealer.

Our state governmevt knows where all legal firearms are. Not a good place to be a shooter    .

Dakota Dan from OZ

[Dai.S.Loe]

No.

Everthing has to go though a dealer or be witnessed by by one. I spend alot of time witnessing deals between shooters,as I work for a dealer.

Our state governmevt knows where all legal firearms are. Not a good place to be a shooter    .

Dakota Dan from OZ

When I lived in the UK and shot, the law was that all sales had to be reported to your respective police force within 7 days. That was for the seller and the buyer.

To get a fire arm you had to have that calibre stated on your certificate and not filled by another. ie if you had a .22 rifle on your cert and already had one you had to get another variation to your cert and get another .22 rifle added.

Result was they knew exactly what you had and how many. Made it really easy when they banned handguns.

Dai.


PS    Texas Tall said to tell you he was bottling another 60 homebrew, says you love the stuff.   Message passed on

[Dakota Dan from OZ]

It's like that here, they do know were they all are.

Texas makes a good drop of home brew.      

Dakota Dan from OZ

[Dakota Dan from OZ]

Dai Hi

Those shotguns turned up yet.

 Heard a rumor at the weekend that there are some in OZ for dealers to show around when we start back shooting in the new year.

Stay out of the gravel.

Dakota Dan from OZ