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Wooden springs and everything!  I wonder if this is the same guy that made a wooden '51 Navy some years ago?
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This is pretty amazing. The right tools and a purpose will allow you to do some pretty amazing stuff.







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Well, I had to put this on the back burner for a bit but last week I ended up making one.

Here is what I came up with. One of the things I would possibly change is I would maybe not add as many holes for the lacing. With so many holes it takes so much lacing. After searching through all my lacing I could not find any that would fit so I ended up cutting a piece of lace that just barely fit. Then when I dyed it.....well.... it shrunk enough that I was one hole short. So, in the photos you will see the front hole just has it tucked in for photo purposes. I need to find a longer piece of lacing as none of my current leather supply will allow me to make any that is longer.

It holds 10 .357/.38spl rounds.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Will subs run in Progressives?
« Last post by Coffinmaker on Yesterday at 09:40:46 AM »

 :)  A thought (Owie)  ;)

The original formulation of Black MZ was of a singular granular size.  No 2f or 3f or whatever.  Singular granulation.  That granulation was about the same granulation of APP 2f.  With that granulation, it would be unfunny in powder measures.  I don't know about dangerous, but definitely not fun.

The New stuff that replaces Black MZ may or may not be the same granulation.  I don't know.  Haven't had the inclination to check and see.  I do know the old stuff should drive you up the wall with bridging.

Play Safe Out There
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Will subs run in Progressives?
« Last post by AntiqueSledMan on Yesterday at 05:08:00 AM »
Hello DeakonKC,

Before I started loading BlackMZ in my cartridge conversions,
I contacted Alliant and asked if it was safe to use my RCBS Uniflo measure.
The response I received from Alliant was "NO".
I have no idea why not, but I've been using my LEE Dippers ever since.

AntiqueSledMan.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Will subs run in Progressives?
« Last post by hellgate on January 14, 2022, 11:38:43 PM »
Abeline,
What I did was shoot at a steel plate 100 yds away with a full cartridge of BP, Black Mag 3, APP, and 3F 777. The time delay to hear the ding was as follows:
BP:  Boom!...........Ding!
BM3: Pow!............Ding!
APP:  Pow!............Ding!
777:  Pow!........Ding!
Very scientific :)
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Will subs run in Progressives?
« Last post by Abilene on January 14, 2022, 08:12:24 PM »
... I'm gonna guess that the velocity of 3F 777 357 mag loads are about 25% faster than BP & the subs. ...

I once loaded 6 rounds of .357's with FFFg BP, plus 4 rounds of 777 in .38's in the tube as well.  I could not tell the difference in recoil shooting them, although the spotters told me the .357's "sounded louder"  :)
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Will subs run in Progressives?
« Last post by hellgate on January 14, 2022, 06:42:48 PM »
I run 3F 777 through my Dillon Square Deal B for my 357 SASS rifles. I know they say don't use 3F 777 in cartridges (2F is OK) but I figured a 357 can handle it. There are few fines but it does occasionally get flipped out and can gum up the works like that teeny little spring loaded ball under the shell plate. 777 is definitely more powderful of a propellant than BP, APP, etc. I'm gonna guess that the velocity of 3F 777 357 mag loads are about 25% faster than BP & the subs.

I'm elated that Black MZ is coming back as my 45/70 loves it.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Will subs run in Progressives?
« Last post by Abilene on January 14, 2022, 05:27:26 PM »
Oops.  Yes, I was thinking Blackthorn. 

Good to hear that APP has gotten the fines issue under control.  The bottle I opened in 2013 was getting low  :) , so I bought a bottle from a pard last year, but it was still the white bottle / blue label.
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