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Special Interests - Groups & Societies => The Winchester Model 1876 => Topic started by: King Medallion on December 30, 2021, 04:55:44 PM
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Anyone got one? I see several on Gunbroker, just wondered what the thoughts were an this model.
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It is just a regular '76 with blued frame and a tang sight.
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That's what I figured, just wondered if anyone had one and what they thought of it.
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I always thought that the tang sight and mount was the ugliest abomination one could put on any rifle. There are proper choices available for the '76 Uberti that does not hurt the eyes. Remember it was a Hollywood creation, nothing more, akin to Josh Randall's goofy rendition of a lever gun.
kw
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The tang sight is weird looking, I agree. But seems I've seen that style before so not sure it was a Hollyweird creation.
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:) Personally ;)
I have always thought the '76 needed a gun Carriage and Trails with a tractor to drag it around. Some Heavy they are. Yuck.
Play Safe Out There
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Wheres all the negativity coming from? Its a blue finish winchester as most originals were i think its gorgeous. The sight can be used upgraded or removed whats the big deal? Heavy? I suspect most of us could use the exercise. I'd buy one in a second and spend a year in the field with it.
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Some thirty odd years ago I had an original someone had chopped down to 20". It only had a few inches of magazine sticking out of the fore end as well. Barrel was a mess inside so I sent it off to Clifford LaBounty in Washington state to re-bored and reline. Asked him to cut it to a .457" groove diameter and chamber it for the 45-60 Win cartridge. Loved that thing. It became my favorite rifle to take to the desert or mountains for black powder rock busting. Thinking back on that rifle made me interested in the '76 Short Rifle discussed here a while back. I was ready to buy one if the reports hadn't come back so negative.
Sorry Coffinmaker, they don't need a gun carriage, just someone who appreciates them. (smile)
Dave
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New to the forum. Ordered the Tom Horn last week.( Ugly hollywood tang sight included. . . hehe) Should have it in a couple weeks. I really should not have watched the movie, it was only $7 to buy on Amazon, ended up costing me $2000+ .I really hope it does not turn out to be a hunk of junk problem child. Can't find 45-60 dies anywhere with the exception of Redding at $130 seems someone posted some negative comments regarding these dies somewhere? Ordered Lee 45-70 dies and factory crimp die. Can probably make this work? Without machining the lee dies down? any thoughts? Found a large Quantity of Starline 45-70 brass on Gunbroker. Been researching lots of load data. Some comments about using fillers and "ringing" the chamber scared me a little bit. Have IMR 4198 on hand and ordered some AA5744. Don't cast so got some Bear Creek 305 gr. coated bullets, these look like they should work great for the 45-60 caliber. The forum has been a great help in figuring things out, Will post some pics when I get it and follow up with Impressions and load results .Thanks to all for all the helpful information.
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Its too bad the filmakers didn't just use the original Winchester style tang sight, rather than that clunky thing. The original style works very well.
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The movie gun was actually a 45/75, but you know hollywood, they stuffed blank 45/60's in it and somehow made it work.
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Its too bad the filmakers didn't just use the original Winchester style tang sight, rather than that clunky thing. The original style works very well.
That sight looks so much better.
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The tang sight is weird looking, I agree. But seems I've seen that style before so not sure it was a Hollyweird creation.
what he sez
I seen that style of sight on a sharps at a match ina eartly days, the guy was a top shot and would not have put up with a second rate sight for a minute.
1990? dunno when the movie came out but I had not seen it at that point. This movie is one for sure where you dont want to find out the "real" story afterwards.
(what real story anyways?)
Sound effects in movies are usually deficient but in the opening scene where he shoots the tree branch - that sound is exactly how it sounds when you fire one of these heavy calibre rifles low across damp ground - if you have done it that first scene puts you right there with him!
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:) Personally ;)
I have always thought the '76 needed a gun Carriage and Trails with a tractor to drag it around. Some Heavy they are. Yuck.
Play Safe Out There
He's right - dang it - its much more fun disagreein with him !
I have a 76 and a 86 - they within an ounce or two of each other weight - the 86 feels way lighter cuz its back in yr hands more - 76 the weight is way out front specially with a full tube of heavy boolits (durn near a pound of ammo goes in there)
have thought about lopping the 76 but ya lose magazine capacity so oly other answer is take up weight lifting - I want another dozen years shooting this thing offhand and a ten shot OH string is work now.
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anybody got a closeup picture of that movie sight they can post??????
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Not the movie sight, but a close-up of the Cimarron. I don't know how accurate of a copy it is.
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New to the forum. Ordered the Tom Horn last week.( Ugly hollywood tang sight included. . . hehe) Should have it in a couple weeks. I really should not have watched the movie, it was only $7 to buy on Amazon, ended up costing me $2000+ .I really hope it does not turn out to be a hunk of junk problem child. Can't find 45-60 dies anywhere with the exception of Redding at $130 seems someone posted some negative comments regarding these dies somewhere? Ordered Lee 45-70 dies and factory crimp die. Can probably make this work? Without machining the lee dies down? any thoughts? Found a large Quantity of Starline 45-70 brass on Gunbroker. Been researching lots of load data. Some comments about using fillers and "ringing" the chamber scared me a little bit. Have IMR 4198 on hand and ordered some AA5744. Don't cast so got some Bear Creek 305 gr. coated bullets, these look like they should work great for the 45-60 caliber. The forum has been a great help in figuring things out, Will post some pics when I get it and follow up with Impressions and load results .Thanks to all for all the helpful information.
I recently acquired a Uberti '76 Centennial in 45-60. I put the RCBS Legacy die set in my wish list on Midway and not long after it was in stock and only $70. I've loaded 90 rounds with it, fired 30 of them without a stitch of trouble. I'm still learning about these but I suspect 45-70 resizer might not size the case mouth down quite enough.
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Not the movie sight, but a close-up of the Cimarron. I don't know how accurate of a copy it is.
I'd been wondering what all the fuss was about a tang sight, I like them. Then I see the Tom Horn tang sight - Lord that thing is ugly! What was wrong with the standard old good looking tang sight?
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That Tom Horn sight pictured above looks like a solid, one piece base. If I recall correctly, in the movie it was some kind of quick mount. I remember seeing him snapping onto the rifle in one scene.
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I own this rifle as well. While the tang site might not be historically accurate it is fairly functional. Uberti also includes different apertures, and a screw set if you would like to remove the tang site. I do not compete but I do use it for hunting with black powder loads. It is a lot of fun to shoot and hunt with in my opinion. From my fairly limited research most reproductions come color case hardened while this comes with a more polished blued finish. My rifle locks up tightly and had good wood to metal fit. If you plan on hunting in the dawn and dusk the black on black sights can be an issue. A small amount of removable white paint can be used to make the front sight more visible. I do agree that the historical sight looks better.
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The tang sight on mine is fixed to the rifle with screws and no quick detach mechanism.
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I must have gotten lucky with my Uberti '76. After figuring out a brass trimming issue, mine has never given me a lick of trouble. As an aside, mine has the case colored frame, but I actually prefer the blued on on this model.
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Not the movie sight, but a close-up of the Cimarron. I don't know how accurate of a copy it is.
ooooow that is fugly
I was imagining I saw one like it - not so
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That Tom Horn sight pictured above looks like a solid, one piece base. If I recall correctly, in the movie it was some kind of quick mount. I remember seeing him snapping onto the rifle in one scene.
yeah ! I thought it had a little stem on the base that the staff fitted onto? or was that the Quigley movie?
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Just for interest, here are a couple photos of the "Tom Horn" rifle Steve McQueen used on the movie.
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Thanks ndnchf, I guess they do look pretty much alike.
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Dropping by to say howdy & enjoy these topics. I thought the "Tom Horn" style sight would be a nice option if it had a dovetail mount & quick release/attach. I have a standard Uberti model, 45-60. The Uberti Highwall tang sight is very proper, but didn't see them available when I was shopping, besides, it's not quickly detachable. I went with the Marbles (modular) sight.. I detach the upright stem for close up cowboy (100yd LR) & for hunting. I carry the 76 on many walks. The 11 lb weight improves benefits of the healthful exercise. I've taken a few deer with it & doing pretty well at hitting running targets, within reasonable range limits.
Regards,
Slim
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I musta been distracted by his hat or somethin - didnt register that sight block at all
looks like they grabbed the cheapest tang sight they could find then fabbed up a base in the workshop - it would work - more stable than a longer stem marbles peep - but not the purtiest thing around .
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I own this rifle as well. While the tang site might not be historically accurate it is fairly functional. Uberti also includes different apertures, and a screw set if you would like to remove the tang site. I do not compete but I do use it for hunting with black powder loads. It is a lot of fun to shoot and hunt with in my opinion. From my fairly limited research most reproductions come color case hardened while this comes with a more polished blued finish. My rifle locks up tightly and had good wood to metal fit. If you plan on hunting in the dawn and dusk the black on black sights can be an issue. A small amount of removable white paint can be used to make the front sight more visible. I do agree that the historical sight looks better.
Win 1876 are you using cut down 45-70 cases? Just wondering if the "tom horn" rifles are OK with the thicker rim. Won't have my rifle for a couple more weeks still, want to load some ammo. Thanks
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I am using cut down 45-70 Starline brass. They work well in my rifle. When loading make sure to pay attention to the max overall length. The elevator can get jammed if the COAL is to long.
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:) Personally ;)
I have always thought the '76 needed a gun Carriage and Trails with a tractor to drag it around. Some Heavy they are. Yuck.
Play Safe Out There
It's heavy because it's a real rifle and not suitable for running around doing these kids games. You squeeze the trigger with a 350 grain slug over 70 grains of 3f black powder you are glad for the weight and wish it weighed more at times. I actually have a lead weight in the butt stock cleaning rod area of mine.
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My Cimarron 76 is an all blued receiver. I ordered it that way. Much better than the fake case colors. I have an MVA soule sight on mine.
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It's heavy because it's a real rifle and not suitable for running around doing these kids games. You squeeze the trigger with a 350 grain slug over 70 grains of 3f black powder you are glad for the weight and wish it weighed more at times. I actually have a lead weight in the butt stock cleaning rod area of mine.
Cliff I did that (cast a lead weight for the buttstock) to my 45/75 - dunno if it was my head in the way or what but I reckoned my groups opened up some so I took it back out.
I use a 335 grain and a 405 grain in mine and even with the bit less powder you can feel some extra push with the heavier boolit
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Cliff I did that (cast a lead weight for the buttstock) to my 45/75 - dunno if it was my head in the way or what but I reckoned my groups opened up some so I took it back out.
I use a 335 grain and a 405 grain in mine and even with the bit less powder you can feel some extra push with the heavier boolit
I'll have to try with and without and see if it makes a difference.
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I'll have to try with and without and see if it makes a difference.
most likely was me I run hot and cold a bit - be interested if you see any difference.
I still have not beat the magazine tube tie up with this gun yet - some issues there to be sorted - ordinarily a bloke wouldnt bother but this barrel has showed me what it is capable of if I load and shoot carefully .
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My tom horn arrived at my FFL today. In jail for 10 more days. Man is it nice. Wood could be prettier but very acceptable. Everything else is very good, fit and finish excellent . The action might need some disassembly/cleaning, still pretty smooth right out of the box. The tang sight has to be removed or changed to something more low profile. First time handling & seeing an 1876, what a neat gun. Can't wait to shoot it. Yeah I know, I should have taken pictures. ;D
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Yeah I know, I should have taken pictures. ;D
We'll still be here when you get it! Looking forward to the pic's.
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HA HA HA HA HA :D
Wonder if Cliff would make the same silly distinction between a 30 - 30 and a 600 Nitro Express. Hummmmmmmmmm. (Snicker Snicker)
'Special since Cliff hangs out on a site specifically intended for those who play those "kid games." (chortle chortle snicker)
Play Safe Out There
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I read somewhere that Hollywood had two 1876 Winchesters rebuilt for this movie . With all the talent and money that was at their fingertips there is no doubt they could have put any sight on the rifles that they wanted . My guess is that they thought that most folks would never know that this was not an original set-up . I did like the movie , one of my favorite parts was when Tom shot the horse thief at Browns Hole in the toe . I have shot a lot of critters with a 76 and can tell you that dude would have been dancing a jig for sure . Need a tractor to carry a 76 rifle , now that's silly , eat some beans man Cowboy Up !!! ,,,,,DT
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Its too bad the filmakers didn't just use the original Winchester style tang sight, rather than that clunky thing. The original style works very well.
Is this your gun/sight in the photo? What sight is that? Nice, clean, simple. I like it. Thanks
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Is this your gun/sight in the photo? What sight is that? Nice, clean, simple. I like it. Thanks
Yes, this is my rifle and sight. It is an exact reproduction of the original Winchester sight made by Axtell. Here is another view of it.
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I'm guessing not being made anymore?
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I'm guessing not being made anymore?
Sadly no. Axtell closed down a number of years ago. My understanding is that Tony Maddox acquired the tooling, remaining parts and such. While I don't see the sight currently listed, here is Tony's web site: http://theoriginalsightcompany.com/index.php
It wouldn't hurt to reach out to him and ask. Maybe he just makes them to order?
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:) DT ;)
Cowboy Up?? Really?? The 1876 was never a "cowboy's" rifle. Intended and built for Sportsmen, Hunters, Buffalo shooters. Those who traveled around in wagons. A paltry 60 thousand were made, in comparison to a MILLION and a half 1866s and 1873s.
The 1876 is undoubtedly HEAVY. Very Heavy. However, do you not have a sense of Humor?? Some things are simply meant to be fun. Sorry you failed to see the humor.
Besides, Beans gimmie GAS.
Play Safe Out There
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Coffinmaker Whoa Hoss you need not get so riled up . What I said was a joke . I guess you took it wrong , but it was meant to be humor . If you think different than you are mistaken . As much as you joke around I thought you had a sense of humor . No harm meant on my part . You were right about one thing ( Some things are simply meant to be fun ) ,,,DT
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I'm guessing not being made anymore?
It would be great if that sight was being made again . What ever happened to the fellow ? (Original Sight Co. ) . He either made or was planning to make a replica of this sight . ,,,,,DT
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As far as I know, Tony is up and operating. But he may be a one man operation and has limited time.
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ndnchf that sight looks Very nice on your rifle!!
Last fall I wrote about going to a range with a friend who brought his new to him Tom Horn rifle. Took my 76 which has standard factory sights. The Tom Horn version sight was easy to use but it looked a little out of place on the rifle. Not sure what my friend will do with the sight but shooting a Sharps replica of his same day with traditional style aperture sight showed the different feel of the sights. Problems I have is 1. I liked them both and 2. every time I start looking at sights for my 45-75 I just plain like the old buckhorn style on it!!! Maybe a reason to own one of each rifle configuration?!
Wish you all the best in enjoying new sights on your rifles, keep us posted on the experiences!!
P.B.
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Sent an email to Tony regarding the sight. Will follow up with his reply in case anyone else would be interested in the sight.
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Yes Sir I'm interested .,,,DT
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Yes Sir I'm interested .,,,DT
Me too!
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As am I!
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Tony responded to my email. He said he has not got around to making the sights, plans to, not sure when.
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Tony responded to my email. He said he has not got around to making the sights, plans to, not sure when.
Perhaps hearing requests from a lot of people will raise it up on his priority list.
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:) DT ;)
Oops. Sorry for the miss-understanding. ::)
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Coffinmaker No Harm meant No Harm done . ,,,,,DT
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This is an original and they aren't cheap, but this is what it should look like...
(https://i.imgur.com/kZ7GQ8y.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jYqpuCu.jpg)
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Tony responded to my email. He said he has not got around to making the sights, plans to, not sure when.
You don't have top wait for Tony, you can get them here and they are the best reproduction you will find...
https://montanavintagearms.com/sights/
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Lokolarry, wondering how your liking your new Tom Horn rifle? As a side note, this is the vernier sight I have on my 45/75 rifle. I don't know the maker, had to shim it on the right side to get it lined up, but seems to be well made.
(https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/render/00-Dhr2tlvawMSNFX4TrMAMCKr_1AnQ3pv5Eb7vbRPURMo6ex88kZehk2lEzNCZQzb6rnHjCyIZu59oV2we_kMG9A?cn=THISLIFE&res=medium&ts=1612654947)
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I was under the impression that all Tom Horn models were 45/60. Fella on GB has one for sale in 45/75. Sent him a messege, we'll see what the response is. He also is selling a couple other 76's, 45/60 and a 40/60. All with extras, ammo, dies, shooting rest.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/927412959
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I was under the impression that all Tom Horn models were 45/60. Fella on GB has one for sale in 45/75. Sent him a messege, we'll see what the response is. He also is selling a couple other 76's, 45/60 and a 40/60. All with extras, ammo, dies, shooting rest.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/927412959
You are right, Tom Horns are all 45-60, plus they have blued frames and this guy's is case colored, plus it is missing the Tom Horn signature on the side plate. It appears that he simply has the Tom Horn tang sight.
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I made mention of all that. Can't tell if the name inscription is there or not as there are no pic's of the right side. Mentioned that too. No response yet.
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Response from seller: "Correction added.. Thanks"
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So that means somebody actually put that sight on it on purpose. :)
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That one on GB says that it has "a Tom Horn style tang sight added later". Maybe it didn't start life as a "Tom Horn" model?
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No, it never was a Tom Horn. It's just a regular 76 with a TH peep added. He either didn't know or was trying to slip a fast one and got called on it.
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But still, with all the reloading supplies, maybe not a bad deal?
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I'd be more interested in the 40/60 he has for sale. Already got a 45/75.