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CAS TOPICS => 1911 & Wild Bunch Shooting => Topic started by: Major 2 on October 08, 2021, 08:41:17 AM
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I'm watching the movie ...had not seen it in years . I noted @ 1:40 22 Ben Johnson handles his 03 Springfield,,, what was noteworthy , it is Scant stocked
Later when the Rifles are sold to the Mexican General they are also Scant stocked
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Scant stocks were built by Remington for the 03A3 in the 1940s due to the stock blanks being too small for a ‘C’ stock pistol grip according to Poyer.
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My 03 is a last year 03 receiver (not 03a3 ) as was produced 1938, it was mated to its barrel 2-42 at the AA -Augusta Arsenal, Scant stocked.
and was issued to guards @ Fort Oglethorpe POW Prison barracks and stockades.
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Resurrected this thread because I have for time to time considered re-stocking.
I haven't seen any straight stocks for sale that were not priced in the stratosphere.
Truth be known, I like the Scant it holds & shoots well, Im not sure it would pass muster @ say a BAMM match ? ED ?
I believe it will not at GAF Explanation Era .... ?
Then there is the provenance issue, the gun was assembled with the Scant 1942 in the first place.
I have found the S# is among, those used at the German POW camp at Ft. Oglethorpe, Ga.
which is very cool.
30 or so years ago I had an 03A3, when they were $149 :o surplus refinished, I let it get away ::)
I did not reload then and only had factory loads. Now I roll my own with Trailboss and lead.
If I had known then what I do now, I believe the 03A3 would still be in my safe. :-\
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It would work at our BAMM Major. As long as its a military bolt action and lead ammo it’s ok. We sometime adjust the rules to accommodate shooters with 5 rd magazines so everyone gets to play with stripper clips. We just had our Wild Bunch last weekend. A nice day. Only 6 WB and 4 cas shooters. Managed to win even with a P and a miss. Used my Crazy Lee M12.
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Thank you Sir !
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The stock of my cut down 1903 was a scant stock. I love you guys and this is a great forum but it is the absolute worst to post a photo on.
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The stock of my cut down 1903 was a scant stock. I love you guys and this is a great forum but it is the absolute worst to post a photo on.
Email me the photo, I'll gladly post it, I'd like to see it
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Those who write the rules for Wild Bunch matches should take the "mistakes" in the movie into consideration when writing the rules for the weapons used in the matches.
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Then the rules would allow the Star Model B which was the stand in for the 1911's
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:) Galen ;)
Had you been around when some acquaintances of mine first designed "Wild Bunch" as a really fun Side Match, including ALL the guns of the period, you'd see just how SAD what is called "Wild Bunch" today has become.
In the beginning, we allowed Broomhandles, Lugers, 1917 Revolvers, etc. Extremely SAD with SASS did to Wild Bunch.
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They have it, their playground
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Does a 1903 Springfield or a Krag Carbine qualify for a wild bunch match?
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Does a 1903 Springfield or a Krag Carbine qualify for a wild bunch match?
No. But some clubs that hold wild bunch matches are also, if they have the space, having BAMM matches or side matches (Bolt Action Military Match).
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Become a SASS/WASA club and have it all. SAs, DAs, Self Loaders, load your pump gun on the clock with as many shells as you need for that scenario. Its no faster but a lot more fun. We do WB and BAMM several times a year. CAS shooters shoot alongside the WB/BAMM shooters. Everyone has a good time.
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Oh yea, the rifle has to be above .40 caliber, even if the 1903 Springfield played a big part in the movie.
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The following weapons were used in The Wild Bunch: credit to www.imfdb.org
Colt M1911
Star Model B
Single Action Army
Colt New Service
Smith & Wesson Model 10
Enfield No.2 Mk.I*
Luger P08
Springfield M1903A3
Springfield M1903
Winchester Model 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine
Sharps 1874 Rifle
Mauser Model 1936
Winchester Model 1897
Winchester Model 1912
Single Barrel Shotgun
Double-Barreled Shotgun
Browning M1917 Machine Gun
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let's talk the M3 1911 holster. How original was that?
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Oh yea, the rifle has to be above .40 caliber, even if the 1903 Springfield played a big part in the movie.
New SASS WB rules for 2024 eliminate the .40 and above caliber rule, as they try to attract more shooters.
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I would think that is a step in the right direction, to attract more shooters.
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The M3 holster wouldn't see the light of day until WWII - the M7 was much later.
The Browning was a WWII-era M1917A1.
Scouts Out!
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Getting serious on my 1917a1 gas gun. Had a proper table for a while. Good old Numrich / GPC. ‘HE GOT LEGS!’ That’s what ZZ Top says. Complete with brass and steel ID plates on the rear. Need to redo the strap.
Finally got a picture to post. Had to use the Apple Watch setting on my image size converter app.
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Started on the build but have a mile to go. Cut the two slots in my sideplates for the end plate. Took 4 tries. Have a 1919a4 stripped top cover ordered and am looking for a top plate. Also thinned the aluminum block that will be the trunnion.
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The M3 holster appeared in 1942.
Hard to backdate that to the time period.
The M1917 LMG was the WWII parkerized variant, too - but most all of the originals had been rebuilt and it was likely the only 'vintage' LMG they could rent.
To enjoy this film, one has to suspend disbelief and put aside their crying need to tell everyone what is and isn't 'right'. - and that's hard to do.
Scouts Out!
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It's not Wild Bunch, but somewhat relevant, because the discussion of the M3 holster.
This is the M3 belonging to Lt. William "Bill" Roberts. With his Ithaca 1911a1
and Flight Jacket. I am the proud current caretaker of these.
Obituary
ROBERTS,
WILLIAM FRANKLIN
William Franklin Roberts, 97, died on August 11, 2019 in Gainesville, Georgia.
Born February 16, 1922 in Jacksonville Florida, William served as a B-26 Marauder pilot with the 386th Bomb Group, 555th Bomb Squadron during World War II. He flew 50 combat missions and was in Paris on VE-Day.
Mr. Roberts was a graduate of both the University of Florida and UCLA as well as a Charter Life Member of the University of Florida's National Alumni Association and Grand Guard. William worked at Northrop Corp and the Aerospace Corporation in Southern California as well as GE in Philadelphia. He provided technical assistance for the first communications satellite and for developmental stages of the space shuttle. Earth Day in 1970 inspired William to found Sigma Treatment Systems. He patented pollution control systems for ships at sea and traveled the world, giving lectures and promoting his company.
William's active retirement included a purposeful emphasis on creative ventures to balance his largely technical career. He often said, 'I feel like I have lived several lives, and they were all good.'
William was preceded in death by his beloved wife, Constance Charron Roberts, in May, 2014.
He is survived by four sons; eight grandchildren; two great grandchildren; many special nieces and second cousins, plus numerous other relatives and friends of all ages in many locations.
On August 29th at 2:00PM a Memorial Service will be held for William at Lanier Village Estates, a retirement community in Gainesville, GA.
A later interment, with full military rites will be at the
Florida National Cemetery in Jacksonville. This will be a joint interment for William and Constance