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Lucky Break for Shooter??
« on: May 11, 2004, 06:50:15 PM »
After starting a stage the shooter recognizes he does not have ear protection and makes a off-hand comment to the RO. The RO stops the shooter who returns his lever gun to the "stagged" gun box with a round in the chamber, lever closed and hammer back.

Since hearing protection was not mandatory the shooter could have finished the stage but the RO stopped him. The shooter was allowed to reshoot the stage.

Question: Aside from the hearing protection issue, did the shooter create a DQ by putting the rifle in the "stagged" rifle box with a round chambered?

P.S. I'll admit that I was the idot that did this but after thinking it through I don't know if I should have also been DQ'd.. ???
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Re: Lucky Break for Shooter??
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2004, 09:30:50 PM »
Kid,

In some ways, it's hard to say.
The shooter is ALWAYS responsible for making sure that they are ready to commit to the stage when they shoot.  And remember that while you are under the "guidance" of the RO, you must make your guns safe.  You really should have either fired the round or opened the action.  For me, the rifle staged with a live shell in the chamber and the hammer back, is the most dangerous of potential ADs.

I guess the RO felt some responsibility, but, in my opinion, the shooter earned a DQ.  I think the RO also needs a little brushing up.  He made two pretty major mistakes.

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Re: Lucky Break for Shooter??
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2004, 11:13:48 PM »
That comes down gun safety on the range.  The shooter was wrong with the live round cambered and not "safe".  The RO could have DQ the shooter beacuse the basic rule of gun safety.  There should be zero tolerance.
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Re: Lucky Break for Shooter??
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Re: Lucky Break for Shooter??
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2004, 05:00:47 PM »
Tough call here.  But I think Big Hext is right: Safety first!
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Re: Lucky Break for Shooter??
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2004, 05:09:06 PM »
This is an easy call.  The moment the gun left your immediate control (put in the rack) with the hammer back and a round in the chamber, you ought to have been DQ'd for the stage.  That's the rule.

You both should have been paying more attention to the state of the gun.  If you had cleared the round and reloaded before setting it down, no call and a reshoot.

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Re: Lucky Break for Shooter??
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2004, 08:45:13 AM »
I have to agree with Hext and Doc. If I were the RO I would have you clear the rifle by jacking the rounds through the action or had you hand me the rifle and I would have cleared it while you got your plugs.

We all have brain f**ts from time to time.....they are what cause most accidents.  Perhaps if you would have lowered the hammer to half cock I might have just had a discussion with you and not DQed you.  Especially since I was the one who stopped you.  The RO should have instructed you as to how to proceed.  You are in "shoot" mode.  He is suppose to be in "observing, responding" mode.  However once you set the rifle down with the hammer back on a live round it was too late.  He should never have allowed you to do it, but since you are ultimately responsible you must bare the consequences.

I am sure that you have learned from this and will handle it differently next time.

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Re: Lucky Break for Shooter??
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2004, 03:16:06 PM »
Actually the RO1 course does not mention, specifically, a case such as this.  It goes into how the rifle must be staged and it says that "no cocked revolver" may ever leave a shooters hand including moving it from one hand to the other, and it goes into minor safeties for not restaging with the action open when the shooter has finished shooting.


Also one thing that this brings up that I see many ROs NOT enforcing is the rule that once a live round is brought under the hammer it must go down range unless the gun has malfunctioned.  De-cocking a loaded gun is forbidden.
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Re: Lucky Break for Shooter??
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2004, 10:30:02 PM »
I would say that the shooter got the DQ because he is ultimately responsible.

With that said I think the RO needed to be pulled off the line too because obviously he was not being very observant. 

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Re: Lucky Break for Shooter??
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2004, 02:10:05 PM »
According to rules, could the RO have held the gun, pointed downrange while the plugs were  retrieved and once on the line the shooter, on the clock, retrieve the gun from the RO and commence shooting?  Is this ever done? I have not seen it, but.......
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