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Special Interests - Groups & Societies => Cas City Historical Society => The Old Fashioned Way => Topic started by: Delmonico on January 30, 2009, 06:12:55 PM
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Lets have folks post pictures of their outfits, don't matter if it's historical or silver screen, tell us why you chose the items in it. Also lets us know where you wear it, SASS, NCOWS, GAF, Living History events or a como of any and all.
I'll start this off with one of mine I like, the original picture was taken at a living history demo, you will note the items are well worn, even patched, I like that for these demos, it gives me the look I want.
I cropped everything I could out of it to show the clothes as best I can. Watch you eyes, some folks will say it's a bit busy. ;)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/a1.jpg)
The hat is a reject blank of good quality from Stetson, has 13 years of wear, the inside sweat band it wool and the hat band it wool also, then sized to fit my head. Would have been a good quality expensive hat so it holds it's shape with out stiffner.
The glasses are from a modern optical store, they look like blued steel, but are titanium, they do have glass lens though. I also have two pair of originals from the period, funny thing is, to have lens made, the have to be poly carb because of the thickness the glass would have to have.
The suspenders are just plain elastic ones, I prefer them as I'm up and down a lot and they do date from before the Civil War although not as common as the non-elastic ones and more expensive.
The apron does not show that well, but purple with little flowers on it, a left over from a quilt project.
The banndana is cotton, 36"X36", I bought a yard of material and seamed the edges, I don't like silk ones around a fire.
The shirt is one I made several years ago, has a couple patches that don't show.
The pants are a well worn pair of Wah ones. The brown near the rear pocket it coruroy, they are well worn and needed help.
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/a5.jpg)
I noticed something working on the picture, and even remember it well, guess you could call it taking PC a bit far,
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/a4.jpg)
a fairly nice but fairly minor burn from the handle of the coffe pot from earier in the day.
One thing I have noticed and work to do when I choose an outfit is to not only think about how it looks in color, but also in sepia tone, because so many of use sepia tone pictures for the look.
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/a2.jpg)
Also I think about how it looks in B&W, since the original photos were that way and the sepia comes with afe. some of my childhood pictures are doing that. Also a lot of times at these events there is a reporter and photographer from the local paper and most often they will be B&W if they get printed.
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/a3.jpg)
All in all, this combo holds up pretty well all three ways.
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Del, I went through what I have on file in my unit, most were taken at matches over the years, so there aren't any real close ups. Might give some idea as to what is worn by SASS members at the local level. I'll put some up, if you think they'll suffice............Buck 8) ::)
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Del, I went through what I have on file in my unit, most were taken at matches over the years, so there aren't any real close ups. Might give some idea as to what is worn by SASS members at the local level. I'll put some up, if you think they'll suffice............Buck 8) ::)
Go for it, the more information we have, the more there is for folks to look at.
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Here is another set, from another day, to lazy to stand and watch the Chicken Fried Steak cook.
The first one has some weird light glare in a couple of places:
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/aa.jpg)
Easy to fix with digital:
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/d1.jpg)
Somehow the same bandanna and apron, another shirt I made and have patched, plus a set of Frontier Classics pants, also patched up.
Hard to see, but different boots, no mule ears and proper leather soles. (Anyone notice the rubber soles on the ones in the first picture?)
And the sepia:
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/d2.jpg)
And the B&W:
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/d3.jpg)
This outfit holds up well all three ways also.
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Okay, the first one I'll put up is Susie in what would be considered B-Western for a SASS match. IIRC, none of this is WAH, but a smattering of makers found at a typical Western Wear store in this area( darn few of them now)
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This one was taken my second year of shooting CAS. It's a WAH frock coat, COWS dress shirt with an add on vertical collar, red cravat type tie with pearl stick pin, and a WAH brocaid vest. More of a dress up type outfit in the gambler vein or townie
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This one is Susie again. She's wearing a ladies tea blouse, probably from Recolections, with a print vest from a western wear store, a pair of ladies COWS riding britches( note the extra fabric insert in the seat area), a set of leather ladies size suspenders, and a pair of ladies lace up boots. These have a low walking type heel as the higher riding type heels are kinda uncomfortable after a full day of walking and shooting stages
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Looking at the pic again, the pard with the timer is D.J. McDraw, now our Territorial governor. What he is wearing is considered the max for the Classic Cowboy requirement in SASS................Buck 8)
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Had to fool with this one some to get it down to size. It's my typical monthly match outfit. A long sleeve WAH shirt of the band collar type, a four pocket WAH vest with watch and fob, pants are from THE FORT( can't remember the maker's name, Del), elastic suspenders, and a pair of Frontier boots from THE Fort with mule ears. The rifle is my 1889 Marlin in 38-40, circa 1891............
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In that pic, you can see Susie at the loading table in a gingham or calico dress , probably Recolections again( probably her favorite maker).............Buck 8) ::) ;D
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Before I get myself all worked up to start posting material in here, let me offer my own simple philosophy.
Regardless of the shooting organization, all take their inspiration from the love of the history of the 19th century. Different organizations have different guidelines as to how strict they are in (Now don't you all jump all over poor little 'ole me, . . . .but let me use, this ONE time, the term,. . . .'COSTUMING').
In a nutshell, if you do your study and keep your eye attuned for the look based on the history of the period, and select your purchases accordingly, you will find this will prove to be the greatest economy,- for the closer you are to achieving the true 19th cent. look based on documented images and catalog references, then you'll find that standard of(Oh God!, here he says again. . .) 'costuming' to be acceptable to ALL the shooting organizations.
In other words, the closer you are to the HISTORY and you'll automatically fit into all the organizations.
This frees you from having to buy different wardrobes to compete in those different organizations Del mentioned in his original post. BIG HINT here, if you select your firearms based on that philosophy, too, then you won't ever have to worry whether your guns are NCOWS-approved; GAF-approved; or SASS-approved. ;)
RCJ
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I like being as historically correct as possible in my outfits. I have a few things that I bounce back and forth between but I try to wear things that portray the era we are emulating. I shoot SASS because there isn't an NCOWS posse within traveling distance. That doesn't mean I shortcut on my gear and clothes, though. I don't have many photos that show my whole outfit. I'll try to round up some new ones.
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FEB, those are Frontier Classic brand pants. ;)
Wish words RCJ.
Marshall Will, figured with cabian fever setting in, it would be a good time for folks to look through their pictures, and think about getting some as it gets warmer. I seem to lack a lot of pictures also, although I know there are ones of my floating around on six continents. For some reason I don't end up taking many of myself, might have to change that. ;D
I have a couple to post that are definatly not taken where folks would expect. Also some floating around that I've seen folks sneek in with their cell phones, like putting gas in my pick-up and pushing a cart arounbd the grocery store. ;D
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(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o26/RiverCityJohn/RCJ0205.jpg)
I prefer caps when I'm not shooting, such as this mechanics cap. Also small brimmed hats such as bowlers or top hats.
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o26/RiverCityJohn/RiverCityTintype-1.jpg)
For general wear or travel as an overcoat I like a linen duster. I do love hats of all types. Being bald they serve a more practical purpose rather than just style. Usually wear a vest and long sleeved underwear under my shirt, both summer and winter.
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o26/RiverCityJohn/dadinslicker.jpg)
Most often for shooting I like a straw of some kind. They're cool and light. If well fitted I don't have any problem keeping them on in a wind, unless we're talking gale force, then I'm not the only one chasing my hat. (Now that I think of it, for those rare times I've ever had the wind take my hat it always seems to blow it downrange. :-\)
For wet weather I like the traditional fishskin slicker. They do require a bit of maintenance to keep the waterproofing from sticking to itself, at least on the older ones. Two schools of thought on that,- 1.) dust with cornstarch 2.) wipe down with Armor-All. This one came from a run that The Fort were selling, and the coating was not sticky, so I just treat with Armor-All at the beginning of the season.
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o26/RiverCityJohn/RCJL.jpg)
I'm also interested in military history and have put together a Naval Ensign uniform. Here the dress version, with the coat worn by having the top button only buttoned, allowing the coat to open and fall away along the sides exposing the vest. Non-regulation but very common style during the period, both military and civilian.
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o26/RiverCityJohn/RCJSummerUniform.jpg)
And here the shooting version. The Navy Regs allowed the wearing of white pantaloons and straws in the warmer climates.
In general I feel most comfortable as a 'Townie" as opposed to a cowboy, etc. Shoes rather than boots,- woolen gloves or dress gloves rather than roping cuffs or gauntlets. I also prefer earth-tones, but one of these days I've promised myself to have Jean Warren at James Country Mercantile make me up a three-piece in a typical gaudy plaid just for fun. I've seen three different versions on Pards and they all looked great!
RCJ
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Thanks John and Buck, John your comment about the hats being well fitted brings up a good point that I covered a while back here:
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,11542.0.html
In my experience I would say about 50% of folks do not wear the right size hats, this can be CAS shooters, or others such as bar cowboys, and rodeo fans who have one to wear there. The only group I see that really understand how a hat needs to be fitrted is the real "ride a horse and tend cattle" cowboys, don't see them wearing the wrong size hat very often.
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Nice pics, RCJ. Del, sometimes CRS strikes pretty hard, I'll have to think about another pair of britches this year as my Doc has knocked some weight off'n me and those 40's MIGHT be a triffle bit roomy now. Thinking a solid color though. I know my gun belts are getting to their last inside notches ::)
I agree with RCJ's comments about getting closer to authenticity, the closer, the easier it is to meet "costuming" requirements for any organization............Buck 8)
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Here's a outfit that didn't hold well when it wasn't in color, but I really didn't intend it to or give it much thought that way.
Went over to one of my wife's relatives on the 4th of July this year, wore this. (The Garage made the best background there.) ::)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/k1.jpg)
The hat is a custom Rand, 10X 100% beaver, the bandanna is a white with little blue flowers cotton one I made. the Shirt is one I made, piped in red, but now sorta faded since the shirt is over 8 years old. Pants have seen some use, Frontier Classics and the boots are the Bolet Shooters boot. like them so well I also have now bought the brown ones. BTW these may not be the boot for everyone, a rounded toe, and 2 piece vamp, more of an 1890's style. Also a riding heel, no sole padding, a type that works well for me. Also the shaft is smaller than some of the newwer ones like the Durangos.
In sepia, things blend in more:
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/k2.jpg)
B&W don't as much but still does not have the affect it does in color:
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/k3.jpg)
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I've only been doing digital for a little over 2 years, I need a better camera, but I like being able to work over pictures and clean up stuff that ends up in them by mistake. ;D Also like some of the other affects that can be done. Anyone who has anything to offer this way go ahead or even better start another thread here to cover photo clean-up.
I like this one from the 2008 GAF muster of RCJ. To me it would make a good stereo-scope picture and would fit right in with a picture of the blown up Maine and Dewey's fleet. ;)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Ft%20Hartsuff%202008/D3.jpg)
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Delmonico, your clothes look far more convincing for being faded .
The last picture manages somehow to capture that period look; something to do with the degree of sharpness perhaps?
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Delmonico, your clothes look far more convincing for being faded .
The last picture manages somehow to capture that period look; something to do with the degree of sharpness perhaps?
That's why I say it looks the way it does, had shadow problems becasue it was late in the day. To me it looks that period I mentioned because the celluliod dry plate negative had became the new way. To me they never had the clairity of the glass plate, even though in the early years before 35mm got popular the negative was the same size and even used the same camera. A late friend of mine thought the same thing and did a leture at NSHS I attended on such a few years ago.
His Great-Uncle was the photographer that took those sad photo's at Wounded Knee.
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OK Del, I'll move it here. This is a picture of the Banana Bunch at the 2006 Missouri Boatride. From L to R that's Banana Pudding, Banana Split, Banana Dacquiri, Banana peel, Banana Bread, and Chiquita Banana (That would be Chucky), IIRC. Have you ever seen such a slippery looking bunch before?
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/fingersmcgee/MoniteauCreek200650.jpg)
Fingers (AKA Banana Bread) McGee
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Another one I took for fun before Christmas. One problem for a lot of us is there is not a lot of period winter wear out there.
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/u1.jpg)
The hat is/was a more modern looking rodeo King of their 5X quality, had a collision with a tea kettle about ten years ago.
Vest and shirt are Frontier classics as are the Pants, same Boulet boots as the last picture. Jacket is wool, we used to get these at Stevens and Berry befroe they went out of bussiness, cost was $9.98, but size small so you wanted the next size bigger than normal.
EDIT: the Bandanna is a Wyoming Traders silks, 34"X34" and maroon with several colors of flowers on it.
That wicked looking gun in my hands is a late 1980's remake of the "Red Ryder" by Daisiy, before they cheapened them, has the walnut stock. ;)
The Sepia:
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/u2.jpg)
The B&W:
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/u3.jpg)
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As I said earier, some of the pictures I have are not in settings most would think of, the next outfit is what I wore to the Christmas party for work:
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/c1.jpg)
Yes, we had a local C&W bar all to ourselves and yes that is me on an un-neutered male bovine, the 'lectric version: ::)
No I wan't drunk. ;D
Hat is Stetson's remake of The Big 4, one of the first factory shaped hats from the late 1880's.
Vest the same Frontier classics from the BB gun picture, Shirt is Scully, bandanna another Wyoming Traders, pant's are Frontier Classics and boots are also the Boulet Shooters, but brown.
The sepia:
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/c2.jpg)
And B&W:
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/c3.jpg)
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Is that vest wool, Del? If so, is it still a stock item?..............Buck 8)
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Here's the "Unusual Suspects" posse from the 2008 Firecracker Shootout. It was awful danged hot that day, too:
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/danielnighteyes/CAS%20Pictures/FirecrackerShootout08_1775_edited-1.jpg)
And here's several pics of me at various times and in various outfits:
This one was taken shortly after I began shooting SASS.
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/danielnighteyes/CAS%20Pictures/HPIM0304-b.jpg)
Here's me wearing a pair of business casual pants I was converting to CAS wear. Note that the belt loops haven't yet been removed.
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/danielnighteyes/CAS%20Pictures/GlennReady.jpg)
This is one of my favorite pics, because I think it shows off my outfit quite well.(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/danielnighteyes/CAS%20Pictures/HPIM0488-cropbb.jpg)
Believe it or not, I've actually USED this lance at a Cowboy Long Range match. (For a hint on how I used it, note the small crossbar above the top feather.)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/danielnighteyes/CAS%20Pictures/NighteyeswithKiowaLance4.jpg)
This was taken on Halloween night. Fairly convincing, huh?
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/danielnighteyes/CAS%20Pictures/NighteyesHalloween2006.jpg)
Some decorations:
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/danielnighteyes/CAS%20Pictures/FirecrackerShootout08_1711_edited-1.jpg)
Most of you have seen this one before.
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/danielnighteyes/CAS%20Pictures/HPIM0514-crop3.jpg)
And last but not least, my namesake ;):
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/danielnighteyes/CAS%20Pictures/nighteyes2.jpg)
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http://www.highplainsshooterssupply.com/photos.html
Here is a link to some of my pictures. some of me, some of groups. In a few of these i am whearing bib ovealls 'cause they look kind of old fashiond but don't cost that way and are pretty comfotable. plus my character is more of a farmer than a rancher so I thought they fit that. I also am working on a military field look with the blue army issue style shirt and light grey hat. and in the bottom right of the web page Is the grey vest and pants that the missus got me for a present last year. The big black hat was like new at about a third the cost and those around me said it looked good.
My outfits are like my guns and a lot ofov\ther linghs in my life. very eclectic and mix-n-match. most items can be used in more that one combination of ways.
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Buck the vest is a current production and it is a wool blend.
Daniel, I like the pictures that show how you have progressed on making a much better and more period correct outfits.
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http://www.highplainsshooterssupply.com/photos.html
Here is a link to some of my pictures. some of me, some of groups. In a few of these i am whearing bib ovealls 'cause they look kind of old fashiond but don't cost that way and are pretty comfotable. plus my character is more of a farmer than a rancher so I thought they fit that. I also am working on a military field look with the blue army issue style shirt and light grey hat. and in the bottom right of the web page Is the grey vest and pants that the missus got me for a present last year. The big black hat was like new at about a third the cost and those around me said it looked good.
My outfits are like my guns and a lot ofov\ther linghs in my life. very eclectic and mix-n-match. most items can be used in more that one combination of ways.
Some of them folks esp in the first picture look awful familar. I also like the bodies in the street. ;D
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This next picture is kinda fun:
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/h1.jpg)
I'm up in the box on a restored 1880's vintage Concord. The rig belongs to the museum in Marysville Kansas, the mules on front belong to the Dad of the driver. The shotgun if you notice, looks a bit small, it is, a 20 ga. ;D Belongs to the daughter of the guy driving and is her bird gun. This was at Rock Creek Station in Newbrassky, near Fairbury, it is where Wild bill killed Dave McCandless in 1861.
The sepia:
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/h2.jpg)
The B&W:
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/he.jpg)
My friend Kevin, the driver, I need to do some work with, you see he didn't bother to wear any different clothes that the ones he normally wears. See he's a working cowboy down in Kansas, but he pretty well has that look most strive for. ;)
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I've posted these elsewhere but might as well put them here as well ;D
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh17/Captayne/t16.jpg)
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh17/Captayne/t6.jpg)
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I've posted these elsewhere but might as well put them here as well ;D
Cap'n Elliot, do you wear both pistols butt-forward? Looks like you do. And if so, may I invite you to join the Society of Bass-Ackward Duelists (SoBAD)? There are at least 30 of us so far. The only requirement is that you wear your pistols butt-forward and reverse-draw at least one of them at least every now and then. If you reverse-draw both of 'em as I often do, so much the better.
I'm SoBAD #001, and my pard Wild Bill Blackerby is SoBAD #002. If'n ya wanna join up, just let me know and I'll getcha a number. Sooner or later there's gonna be membership pins and everything! :D :D
And its neat to yell out "I'm SoBAD!" ;D ;D
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Cap'n Elliot, do you wear both pistols butt-forward?
Certainly do. I was told that I can't use them this way in SASS matches so of course I want to. In our re-enactment stuff I can wear and use them anyway I like so I will wear butt forward all the time.
I prefer to wear them this way especially on horseback.
I would be proud to be a member of SoBAD ;D
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Here's my first, circa 1969
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/Mogorilla/1969.jpg)
My first outfit, shooting at the Jesse James farm,wah maker shirt, and pants
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/Mogorilla/ruffian.jpg)
here is the addition of a vest the next year at the Jesse James Farm with one of my friends.
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/Mogorilla/Wildones.jpg)
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/Mogorilla/Shoot004b.jpg)
My biggest problem is boots, hard to justify a couple hundred and only wearing them a few times a year. Am currently making some Cheyenne inspired Mocs, that will make it a tad more authentic.
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some of y pictures were taked at the 2009 Rand Army of the Frontier muster. the one wiht the Bodies i the street were from a BAnk robbery skit we did at the Genoa NE 125th anniversiery right after the parade.
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I was told that I can't use them this way in SASS matches so of course I want to. I prefer to wear them this way especially on horseback.
I can see that it would be MUCH better to wear 'em butt-forward (or bass-ackward) on horseback. I have no direct experience with it because I have an understanding with horses -- I don't ride them, and they don't throw me.
Unless the specific club, or range, has a rule against it, the butt-forward/reverse draw it completely legal in SASS, as long as you shoot Duelist and don't break the 170 any more than someone who is using "regular" straight-hang holsters. It is NOT legal to use it if you shoot Gunfighter, though this may change. I use the butt-forward/reverse draw technique at SASS matches all the time, and with some pretty strict RO's I might add.
You may have to prove to the RO that you can draw and reholster without breaking the 170. Every time I shoot with a new RO, in fact, I tell him/her up front what I'll be doing and offer to demonstrate it before the match begins.
Do you do it like this? Disregard the excessive arm movements at the beginning of each draw. I was trying to demonstrate the "angle of attack" and sorta overdid it a mite. (Also pardon the fact that I'm not in appropriate CAS attire. I did this in a hurry.) http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/danielnighteyes/CAS%20Pictures/?action=view¤t=NighteyesReverseDrawDemo.flv (http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/danielnighteyes/CAS%20Pictures/?action=view¤t=NighteyesReverseDrawDemo.flv)
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Delmonico, do I see you wearing corduroy pants and, if so, are they still made?
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I would be proud to be a member of SoBAD ;D
You are now SoBAD #028. There are several higher numbers because folks requested 'em, so the total is over 30.
So you can complete your "registration", send your, ah, REAL name and mailing address to Wild Bill Blackerby. I'll send you his email address in a Personal Message.
Welcome to de club, Pard!
-- Nighteyes (SoBAD #001)
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Delmonico, do I see you wearing corduroy pants and, if so, are they still made?
Nope, I don't have any in any of the pictures, which one looks like it? Wah made one for a short time, but it's gone now.
Capt Texas, nice set up.
Mo, I like the first one. ;D Rest look good also.
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These two from the same day are from 2001, I had to scan them from 35mm prints. Taken at the Newbrassky State Fair, down in the National Guard area:
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/cc4.jpg)
Early in the morning, maybe 7:30, got there before daylight, got bread ready to bake already. COWS pants, Buffalo runner boots, a checked gingham shirt I made and red checked cotton bandanna on my neck and a purple paisley silk one on my head.
Matt, to the right has a pair of corduroy pants from a thrift shop I rebuilt, faded COWS shirt, Buffalo Runner boots and unknown brand of hat.
The guy in the middle, Cris has just got his butt up out of that tent. NNG member, our Night Security, not the gun case by the saber, Sharps Carbine. Also note jar of sourdough to the far right, for the next bunch of bread, but for supper instead of breakfast.
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/cc5.jpg)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/cc6.jpg)
Later in the day, The AG of the Guard was by later for supper.
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/cc1.jpg)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/cc2.jpg)
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I've acquired a number of outfits since I started CAS in '99, but this is what I was wearing last week. The hat is an old Eddy Brothers 4X that I got on ebay for $20 and reshaped. The sweatband has rotted and is basically covered by layers of masking tape :-[ - some day I'll get a new sweatband sewed in but hate to pay more than I paid for the hat :) . Vest is Wah, nice sterling watch chain was won as a door prize at Tin Star Ranch some years ago. Corduoroy saddle pants were given to me, they're pretty old and have no maker ID on them. Buffalo Runner boots that are beat up but comfy because of the low walking heel. The coat is my favorite item of all my duds. Hand made in period style. Don't know who made it, my mom found it at a craft show some years ago and picked it up for a couple hundred. She wore it a few times but she knew how much I loved it so she gave it to me. I was offered a yellowboy in trade for it once, but I just couldn't do it. Plus my mom would have killed me. ;D
(http://www.davidscottharper.com/photos/AbileneBuckskin.jpg)
By the way, am I the only one who hates the word "costume"? A costume is what ballerinas wear at dance recital, or a spiderman outfit for halloween. We wear duds. :)
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Notice the Title says "Outfit" Abilene. ;)
I don't use it, if I did it would me all I ever wear is a "costume." ::)
Nice outfit also.
The sweat band is expensive to have done, most places charge $50 or more. On my list of learn to do's, but I would have to charge that much also.
I've made a couple out of heavy wool, works good:
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A pard bought an unformed blank:
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I built him this:
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He had the hitched band.
Looks pretty good on him in this faked hand tinted picture of him makin' hash at the GAF Muster. ;)
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Del, That hat turned out pretty good. You are a true Master Hatter.
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This is a favorite picture of mine. late October 2006, was at an old time havest festible to cook for the demonstrators who ranged in time from maybe 1880's to 1950's.
Early, maybe 7 am, got bread started and under the towel on the cupboard rising, starting a second pot of coffee:
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The picture has a couple problems I don't like, but sometimes Photoshop is yer friend. ;D
Over my shoulder is a John Deere "M", and the jerry can we use for water has just been filled and dropped off by one of the folks running around on a golf cart to save us a long walk, it is normally hidden
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The darker green is a trunk I keep cook gear in, been replaced with a wooden one.
The red under my arm is a cob pile and some scap lumber, in other words, lots of tinder:
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Now it's better:
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Shirt is a ginham bib, same pants hat and apron as in others, bandanna is a red calico cotton.
The sepia:
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All ya need is a chuckwagon.
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All ya need is a chuckwagon.
A friend with one who is willing to haul it is even better. ;D
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/camps/Camp.jpg)
This one has been sold and a bigger and improved one should be at a couple of places this year. ;D
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Is that picture taken at Rock Creek?
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Is that picture taken at Rock Creek?
Nope, Hollenburg Pony Express Staion in Kansas, was one between it and Rock Creek, the building is original.
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Here is one from 2001, my pard gopher Grease (Matt) and I again. Were at an antique farm show, a friend from a local historical society owns the wagons, he drug out the bench from the one he hauls folks around and told us to enjoy.
We were sitting around watching the dutch ovens cook and some fella with this big fancy camera and tripod stopped and asked if he could take our picture. Was gonna enter some photo contest and we said sure, go ahead. Well about a month later he sent be and 8X10 and a note that he'd won some sort of prize. ::)
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Same ol' hat, bib shirt from the grinding coffee picture, a pair of herring bone pants I made and a yellow cotton bandanna.
Matt's hat is a Sunbody "Sam Houston" same pair of corduroy pants I rebuilt and a calico shirt his mother made him.
The sepia:
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/rr2.jpg)
The B&W:
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The next day the photographer for the local paper stopped by, Matt made the front page next day, me I hid under the awning in the shade, it was 105F. ;D
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This I think covers 1800's to the silver screen...
Corset and skirt are satin..(skirt used to be a brides maids dress) so yeah you can do stuff with left over brides maids dresses. :)
Gun belt & holsters were hand made from a very good freind of mine (God rest his soul...he woulda fit right in here)
Guns...45's
Horse..Tennesse Walker..breed came about mid 1800's
Saddle...it's what is refered to a bear trap (style) I'd love to find the real history on this. Instead of conchos it has Mexican dollars.
I think it was Roy who had to kiss Trigger at the end of the scene or he got jelous...guess that would make the picture good for the silver screen era ;D
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Tin type I had made at the 2006 NCOWS Convention.
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One of my horses....
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This photo was taken during the filming of the Last of the Mohicans, only time I've shaved my head.
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Stunt work for a film I worked on in 1997, the tattoos on my arms and legs were air brushed on by a make up artist.
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NSSA National shoot 2007
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Tin type of myself and French Jack, 2006 NCOWS convention. Notice the correct Chiricahua Moccasins I am wearing.
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Bill
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Beautiful Horse......Scarlet ;)
Bill
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Thank you Bill.
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Those are some mighty fine pics, y'all. Good clothes, good people, good horse.
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Nice stuff, both of you and thanks.
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Peasant blouse, made of cotton. (by me)
Corset is red and black satin...made by "Laced" honestly a well/properly made corest is very comfortable. I didn't think they would be but I was wrong. I can wear mine all day. It does provide alot of back support too.
choker is made of hair pipe beads-(bone and horn). Hand made by my dad.
Chaps..hand made in TX. Yes, they were a custom job. When I told the guy I was a cowboy action shooter he was very proud to be doing a custom job. They buckle (not zip). Traditionally this style (chinks I believe is the proper PC term) should be slightly shorter but when a gal has imagination and it's a custom job I figured there was no limit and I know what I like.
Mounted shooting partner...another Tennesse Walker.
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Dress...taffeta. Sewn by my mom.
lots and lots of lace..sewn on an underskirt made of satin...boa is made of feathers-purchased from a costume store ( I refuse to chase an ostrich for this), corset...another one by "Laced" made of satin and cotton.
Pantaloons are cotton- I made those.
Boots..they are leather but look mostly like dirt from walking the streets at EOT.
The skirt is rather heavy because of all of the lace.
One thing I will share about ladies PC clothing...I know why they had people help dress them with all the lacing..the corset is not so bad but the dresses can be a challenge if you don't have any help.
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Scarlet, you look terrific.
Ottawa Creek, those are very authentic-looking tintype images. Who took them?
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Mike......
I remember his last name as Rambo....He should be back at the NCOWS convention again this year....someone on the NCOWS forum could give you more information if you want it.
Not being critical.....
But one thing I've noticed is that most of the images we post on these kinds of forums is that our clothes look like we just wore them for the first time(not you Del).....I wish more folks would try to look like they've worn their clothes for a good length of time, especially the male gender.
If you are a cowboy (obviously I'm not), you would be lucky to have owned two changes of clothes.....and they would have been clothes that you work in on the trail, or around horses, you can really get dirty during the daily chores around horses.
I like what Del does to his clothes...when they suffer a hole or a tear he sews a patch on, or repairs the tear, you can tell he uses his clothes and wears them as much as he can.....
Just an observation so please don't take this our of context.
Bill
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Thanks Bill, I do have an advatage that a lot don't, I get to wear them to work when they are all nice and new, then when the get too ragged to wear there, I put them in the other group.
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I was looking through my files and trying to decide what to post next, (don't worry, I have some of other folks) and decided to do this outfit next. This one is also from 2001 at the State Fair, down in the NNG area with their Civil War group. I had to be to work at 10 am, but slipped down on the way about sunup. Baked a couple oven of bread for them and then the guy in the other picture that wasn't dressed yet, did the rest of the meal.
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Same custom Rand hat as 4th of July picture, shirt a gathered drop sleeve I made, vest I made, either COWS or Wah pants (don't remember) and Buffalo Runners.
I won't tell anyone else don't, but I don't wear the black pants much anymore, in fact the two older ones I had (both Wah and COWS) have been passed on to others. Only black ones I have today are a pair of brushed cotton Frontier Classics that I keep for dress with the frock coat outfit. I also only wear them for more formal, non-historical things like weddings and funerals.
The reason is, that from my research and understanding cotton could not be dyed black in the time, just wool and silk. I'd like to get a pair of black wool dress pants sometime. For more historical things I wear Frontier Classices blue pants with a pin stripe.
ot saying not to wear black cotton, but I choose not to, don't wear the vest any more for the same reason and it will go to someone else sometime.
The sepia:
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The B&W:
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The photographer's name is David Rambow.
Books O'Toole may have his contact information, or be able to tell us if he'll be at the Convention in March.
I appreciate the thought everyone has put into their wardrobe choices.
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I do have Dave Rambo's contact information, though not with me right now. He works fo the NPS at Pipestone, MN.
It's a bit far for him to haul his stuff to KC for the convention.
However, last year we had Robert Szabo and he is outstanding. He has a National Geographic cover to his credit.
I think there is about an 80% chance that he will be with us again this year.
Books
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I do love hats of all types. Being bald they serve a more practical purpose rather than just style.
RCJ
John I didn't know if I wanted to post this picture of you, but since you told us something, I decided to. ;)
I like the one's of you cleaning yer pistol on the porch of the Ft. Hartsuff barracks at the 2008 GAF Muster. This one I really like because it looks like yer gonna ambush someone comin' out the door.
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/200.jpg)
The sepia:
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The B&W:
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I like the fact that the #10 can they have for a butt can is painted army blue.
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Thanks for the info on David Rambow, guys.
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2005, This is about as new as I get. Clothing is fairly new. The pants I made from an old Mexican pattern. Since then, the pants have taken on a sort of light brown cast, as has the breech clout. I've lengthened the breech clout in front to match the back.
The shirt bright red in this photo, came from River Junction Trading Co., has turned a dull red with being worn in the sun and repeated washings....I'll try to find a more current photo to show the contrast in how this outfit has aged.
The Ladies full length multi striped hose came from River Junction and were a favorite of Apache men. The Chiricahua Apache Moccasins I made.
The hair is mine.
Bill
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/Bill361.jpg?t=1234028495)
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OK, a few from Rock Creek Station in 2008 and the gun fights stuff from down there:
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This picture came as a bit of a shock when I down-loaded it, have known Dave for about 8 yrears and didn't know he was bald.
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To let you know that no one was really killed here, they still show up at meal time, none the worse for wear:
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John I didn't know if I wanted to post this picture of you, but since you told us something, I decided to. ;)
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This also shows when I want to protect my sleeves, or it's a warm day, I roll them up revealing my long-sleeved under clothing. I find that underclothing in the dog days of summer helps to keep me cool while in deep winter it adds another warm layer. Our ancestors knew a thing or two. The natural fabric materials,- cotton, wool, linen and silk, breathe better than modern acrylic fabrics. Not to mention a mite safer around the campfire.
The hair is mine.
Bill
Just HAD to throw that in, didn't ya, Bill? ;) ;D
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The hair is mine.
Bill
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/Bill361.jpg?t=1234028495)
Just HAD to throw that in, didn't ya, Bill? ;) ;D
Well I forgot to mention mine is mine also. But we don't care John, baldness is PC also, they say Custer was going bald also. ;)
Nice explination also on the clothes John. I'm going to dig, I know I have a couple more of you.
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I've lengthened the breech clout in front to match the back.
Do you use a full clout, or more of a front-and-rear "apron"?
The Ladies full length multi striped hose came from River Junction and were a favorite of Apache men.
More about the hose, please.
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Daniel........
I use a full clout.......partial clouts and aprons (great lakes) didn't come about until into the 20th century when we were catering to the tourist trade and didn't want to embarrass anybody, and until recently (the past 20 years) was something you would only see in movies........never a good source for correct information.
If you look at the photos from the movie stills I've posted here, I'm wearing the real thing naked butt and all. Doesn't bother me at all.
The multi colored hose as far as I can tell was something that only the Apache wore. You can see this in a lot of old photos of the Apache during the time period. I'm a stickler for authenticity and don't really care for the B-movie thing. research is the key word here.
If you are doing a Native American impression and are wearing leggings whether they be Deer Skin or Wool, they should be made to conform to the leg (at least from above the top of the knee down to the ankle) as tight as possible. They were made this way for a reason (care to guess why?).
Nowhere have I found a period photo of an Indian wearing leather pants.....of any kind. Pants were cloth and either traded for, late 19th century from the Whites (1880 or after the reservation period) or much earlier from the Mexicans & Spanish (southwestern Indians).
Bill
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I use a full clout.......
Good. I forgot that you're NCOWS rather than SASS, so of course you would!
If you are doing a Native American impression...
I do one of those every day... :D :D
I'm actually trying to piece together an "outfit" that Daniel might have picked up in bits and pieces. Mostly Lipan and Jicarilla Apache, with some Kiowa, Comanche (maybe a little Arapahoe) thrown in for good measure. Daniel's meandering westward trek was across the Indian Territories, the Texas panhandle and some of the so-called Cimarron Strip (I think the official title was "Unassigned Lands"), into northern New Mexico.
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Good. I forgot that you're NCOWS rather than SASS, so of course you would!
I do one of those every day... :D :D
I'm actually trying to piece together an "outfit" that Daniel might have picked up in bits and pieces. Mostly Lipan and Jicarilla Apache, with some Kiowa, Comanche (maybe a little Arapahoe) thrown in for good measure. Daniel's meandering westward trek was across the Indian Territories, the Texas panhandle and some of the so-called Cimarron Strip (I think the official title was "Unassigned Lands"), into northern New Mexico.
Daniel......I belong to SASS too (#2434), I wear the same clothing to a SASS event that I do at NCOWS, no difference.
If you go to the NCOWS web site www.ncows.org (http://www.ncows.org) go to the downloads page, scroll down to the bottom of the page to the Originals Section. The Originals Class is a shooting class just like any other shooting class with a couple of exceptions.
You'll see there are several of us that have submitted our journals that show how we got where we are in the 19th Century Old West. My journal, as well as others, is over 30 pages long and makes for some interesting reading.
To shoot the Originals Class in NCOWS you have to submit a journal, do a presentation to your peers (other Original Class Participants), and document every item that you wear or use...showing it was in common use in the old west during the 19th century......you are judged by your peers on your presentation and documentation, and then given a score that becomes part of your overall shooting score. Its a lot of work, but a lot of fun and puts you in tune with the 19th century Old West.
Take a look......
Bill
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Howdy Bill
I gotta say your pictures blew me away, these pictures are really good, I didn't know you were in the last of the Mohicans, ( I know I didn't spell that right, but this is as close as I can come ) I really like that movie, I just joined NCOWS recently, and even though I can't join in right now I really enjoy being a member of this class act of an organization,
tEN wOLVES ;) :D ;D
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Howdy Bill
I gotta say your pictures blew me away, these pictures are really good, I didn't know you were in the last of the Mohicans, ( I know I didn't spell that right, but this is as close as I can come ) I really like that movie, I just joined NCOWS recently, and even though I can't join in right now I really enjoy being a member of this class act of an organization,
tEN wOLVES ;) :D ;D
Ten Bears.....
Appreciate it......
Bill
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If you are a cowboy (obviously I'm not), you would be lucky to have owned two changes of clothes.....and they would have been clothes that you work in on the trail, or around horses, you can really get dirty during the daily chores around horses.
Bill
I am NOT letting the husband see that comment.. :D we have many disscussions on how one should look going out the door to the cowboy functions....He often uses the line "a real cowboy...." I have to remind him what the real cowgirls would have smelled like too...for which he tells me he doesn't care (he knows I like my showers) I often have to resort to reminding him real cowboys often slept with their horses and other men ;)...my other option would be shoving him off the horse into the creek I guess...but that would just cause a fight.. ;D
I don't think I have any pictures of what you are looking for.....(day two on the trail) I often avoid the camera when I look really "authentic"
I have found that the fellas like the smell of gun oil on a gal and the gun greese under the nails doesn't seem to bother them either.
It's nice to know I have friends who would let round the campfire smellin' and lookin' authentic ;D
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Baths or clean clothes were few and far between on the trail. The baths and clean clothes, if were are to believe the movies, came at the end of the trail. I don't like to smell myself after the first day without a bath.
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Daniel......I belong to SASS too (#2434), I wear the same clothing to a SASS event that I do at NCOWS, no difference.
I see that I have made myself thoroughly misunderstood once more! :-X :D
What I meant to say is that you obviously adhere to the higher and more stringent NCOWS standards rather than the [much] more relaxed SASS standards. Naturally, therefore, you would wear a full clout.
I'm not yet ready for the Originals standards, at the moment being more interested in visual authenticity -- looking right -- than true authenticity -- being right in every aspect. However, eventually meeting the Originals standards is part of my long-range plan. For example I am currently making a full breechclout, out of some natural linen-like fabric, that will extend down to my knees both front and rear. However, I will probably wear it over a pair of white surgical scrub pants (that will soon enough become less-than-white).
You asked me if I knew why leggings et al were made close-fitting from about the knee down. Two reasons I can think of: (1) to help keep them in place without the need of tight garters, and (2) to reduce the chance of snagging or making noise on something -- brush, cactus, etc.
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I have found that the fellas like the smell of gun oil on a gal and the gun grease under the nails doesn't seem to bother them either.
Uh......Scarlet, it wouldn't bother me either ;)
Daniel.....the second answer you listed is exactly the reason leggings are worn skin tight......the reason for fringed leggings (particularly thin rolled fringe) is that it makes it easier to shed water.....this only works with brained tanned, smoked deerskin.
Bill
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Daniel.....the second answer you listed is exactly the reason leggings are worn skin tight......
Yup, I learned that one the hard way, only with trousers rather than leggings.
I imagine the first answer is also true for some... :)
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This was one of my first outfits for this sport from 2003. The hat is a crushable wool felt with wire in the brim. The bandanna I made of yellow cotton. The shirt is a light blue Oxford. The vest is dark blue suede front and satin back from Goodwill. The gun rig is a second hand buscadero. The Bowie knife is an inexpensive one I with a cheap leather sheath. I later made a better sheath. The pants are Levi's from Goodwill. The boots are engineer boots.
Slim
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This fur felt silverbelly I bought from a pard on this site several years ago. I took a tea kettle to it and shaped it to it's present shape like the picture below.
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This is from 2005. The bandanna is blue silk from the Fort Old West Shop. The shirt is a banded collar from Goodwill. The suspenders I made from an 1860's pattern. The pants are Levi's from Goodwill that I added suspender buttons to.
Slim
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Slim, That bottom photo looks period with the barnwood backdrop.
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Silver Creek.....
What a transformation.....(http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/Themes/cascitybabylon-1-1-7/images/post/thumbup.gif)
Bill
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Slim, That bottom photo looks period with the barnwood backdrop.
That is the end of my machine shed. ;)
Silver Creek.....
What a transformation.....(http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/Themes/cascitybabylon-1-1-7/images/post/thumbup.gif)
Bill
Thanks, Bill.
Slim
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Here are some pards and I in Feb 2005. I wearing my black wool felt hat I bought from the same pard as I bought the silverbelly from. I added the chaps that I bought from Mill's Fleet Farm. I think they are Weaver brand.
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k186/SilverCreekSlim/CAS/Slim2-2-2007.jpg)
Here I was in Feb 2007. I changed the front strap and buckle on the chaps to more authentic leather laces, and added a harness buckle to the back strap. The red bandanna is from the Fort Old West Shop. The dark grey wool vest is from Goodwill. The blue plaid bib shirt I made. The boots are Fort Frontier boots.
Slim
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Nice job adding little touches for fine-tuning, Slim.
Looking good!
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(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k186/SilverCreekSlim/CAS/PlaidBidShirt-Big.jpg)
I made this bib shirt a couple years ago.
Slim
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Nice job adding little touches for fine-tuning, Slim.
Looking good!
Thanks, John.
Slim
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(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k186/SilverCreekSlim/CAS/Doc268a.jpg)
Here are my most recent additions from 2008. I made the canvas vest and pants from an 1860's pattern.
I have a purple flowered vest cut out but have to sew it.
I do have a pair of denim striped pants I made but I can't find any pictures of them.
That's all I have for now. ;)
Slim
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Thanks Slim, I stole a copy of that one picture, hard to believe that was 4 years ago.
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Congrats to Slim on his clothes making skills. I wish I was able to make some of my clothes. I would have to get my materials and patterns from Omar the Tent Maker.
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(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k186/SilverCreekSlim/CAS/Doc268a.jpg)
Here are my most recent additions from 2008. I made the canvas vest and pants from an 1860's pattern.
I have a purple flowered vest cut out but have to sew it.
I do have a pair of denim striped pants I made but I can't find any pictures of them.
That's all I have for now. ;)
Slim
Slim......
Are those Ruger Bisleys you are shooting....Nice chaps.....you may want to look into an earlier style of shotguns depending on what time period you are portraying....really like the plaid bib shirt!!!
Bill
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(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o26/RiverCityJohn/RCJ0205.jpg)
I prefer caps when I'm not shooting, such as this mechanics cap. Also small brimmed hats such as bowlers or top hats.
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o26/RiverCityJohn/RiverCityTintype-1.jpg)
For general wear or travel as an overcoat I like a linen duster. I do love hats of all types. Being bald they serve a more practical purpose rather than just style. Usually wear a vest and long sleeved underwear under my shirt, both summer and winter.
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o26/RiverCityJohn/dadinslicker.jpg)
Most often for shooting I like a straw of some kind. They're cool and light. If well fitted I don't have any problem keeping them on in a wind, unless we're talking gale force, then I'm not the only one chasing my hat. (Now that I think of it, for those rare times I've ever had the wind take my hat it always seems to blow it downrange. :-\)
For wet weather I like the traditional fishskin slicker. They do require a bit of maintenance to keep the waterproofing from sticking to itself, at least on the older ones. Two schools of thought on that,- 1.) dust with cornstarch 2.) wipe down with Armor-All. This one came from a run that The Fort were selling, and the coating was not sticky, so I just treat with Armor-All at the beginning of the season.
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o26/RiverCityJohn/RCJL.jpg)
I'm also interested in military history and have put together a Naval Ensign uniform. Here the dress version, with the coat worn by having the top button only buttoned, allowing the coat to open and fall away along the sides exposing the vest. Non-regulation but very common style during the period, both military and civilian.
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o26/RiverCityJohn/RCJSummerUniform.jpg)
And here the shooting version. The Navy Regs allowed the wearing of white pantaloons and straws in the warmer climates.
In general I feel most comfortable as a 'Townie" as opposed to a cowboy, etc. Shoes rather than boots,- woolen gloves or dress gloves rather than roping cuffs or gauntlets. I also prefer earth-tones, but one of these days I've promised myself to have Jean Warren at James Country Mercantile make me up a three-piece in a typical gaudy plaid just for fun. I've seen three different versions on Pards and they all looked great!
RCJ
John......that photo of you waking out of the jail is just dandy! Who took it? I'll bet it was some Indian you know.......what do ya think?
Bill
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;D ;D
It was the best of the two. The other I am looking into the camera but I don't think shows off the cap as well.
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Well I forgot to mention mine is mine also. But we don't care John, baldness is PC also, they say Custer was going bald also. ;)
Nice explination also on the clothes John. I'm going to dig, I know I have a couple more of you.
Del.......I think Custers baldness was accelerated quite a bit at Little Big Horn ;D ;D
Bill
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Thanks Slim, I stole a copy of that one picture, hard to believe that was 4 years ago.
You are very welcome to it.
Slim
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Slim......
Are those Ruger Bisleys you are shooting....Nice chaps.....you may want to look into an earlier style of shotguns depending on what time period you are portraying....really like the plaid bib shirt!!!
Bill
Yep, they are Ruger Bisleys I bought for SASS. They fit my hands great. The lower hammer spurs are great for duelist and gunfighter. I use my 1875 Remington clones when I shoot NCOWS. Thanks, I really like the chaps too. They come in real handy when I pick up brass. They keep the pants cleaner when I kneel down instead of squatting. The price was sure right on 'em too. They were on close out for $75. I was thinking about making a pair before I saw these. I could barely buy the leather for that price. Thanks, I sure like the plaid bib shirt too. I have long arms, so one advantage of making shirts is I can adjust the pattern to make the sleeves longer if need be.
Slim
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Slim, I have that problem too. It's hard for me to find shirts in my size(5X) that have sleeves long enough and shirt tails long enough. I would like to find banded collar shirts in my size too. Pants are easier to find than shirts and coats(62 XL).
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You Fellas have posted more great photos.
Slim I like what you did to the hat.
Here we are on the town.. The tall handsome fella on the left of the photo is my husband. The hat is a Confederat calvary slouch by Brims n Trims..I really like them fellas, The long jacket we got at Eot 5 or so yrs ago.
The dress does have a hoop skirt under it, I have on the cutiest pair of pantaloons for valentines day...perhaps I'll get a picture of those up here the fabric for those is not really PC..but hey I liked 'em. The skirt does have a train on it too, little mixing of my eras but I like the way it looks.. Scarlet is a rebel at heart anyhow.
The handsome fella on the right is my dad. He got the hat from one of the vendors at EOT, shrit made by mom...I would have to look at the pattern to get all the info...The pants..he took off the belt loops of a store bought brand and put on the buttons for the suspenders. The necklace he made himself. Dad enjoys native american history and making jewlery with bones, beads and stones that fit into the era.
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/CRRAwardsParty022.jpg)
close up of the necklace
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/necklace.jpg)
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Great thread!!! Not much happens over here, so I check things out over here only occasionally. Obviously I hadn't been by since this thread started.
You folks have some posted some very nice pics!
FEB, those are Frontier Classic brand pants. ;)
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I knew that from the tag. ;D
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l36/Trinity-The_Chicory_Kid/costume/aa.jpg)
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Not being critical.....
But one thing I've noticed is that most of the images we post on these kinds of forums is that our clothes look like we just wore them for the first time(not you Del).....I wish more folks would try to look like they've worn their clothes for a good length of time, especially the male gender.
If you are a cowboy (obviously I'm not), you would be lucky to have owned two changes of clothes.....and they would have been clothes that you work in on the trail, or around horses, you can really get dirty during the daily chores around horses.
I like what Del does to his clothes...when they suffer a hole or a tear he sews a patch on, or repairs the tear, you can tell he uses his clothes and wears them as much as he can.....
Just an observation so please don't take this our of context.
Bill
I fully agree, but do not provide much of a good example as I don't get a chance to go out and play often enough. Besides shooting, it's fun to wear while camping. I haven't gone on a solo camping trip in over a year :(, but hope to do so in March.
Despite how easy it is to get dirty, it is rather difficult to really give your clothes a good "worn-in" look without actually wearing them for a while.
Here are some pics:
Vintage ca. 1978. :)
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l36/Trinity-The_Chicory_Kid/costume/Trinity_image3-1.jpg)
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These pics were taken at one of the first shoots that I took part in. I had been visiting the shoots and posting in here already, getting ideas. Even today, I still am not 100% decided on what I want to look like. ::) ;D
-My mother made the vest for me from a Buckaroo Bobbins pattern and some undied denim. When she made it, I could close it, but not by the time the picture was made. 8)
-Shirt and Trousers are Wah
-The hat is a cheapo that I got from the 'net. I'd like something more correct, but with a size of 7 7/8, I have a hard time with mass made items fitting properly and custom jobs are just too expensive. (The same applies to getting period shooting spectacles to fit...)
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l36/Trinity-The_Chicory_Kid/costume/PepperMillCreekGang9-24-2006039.jpg)
-The glasses were the awful type that fit over your regular glasses. I hated them with a passion because whenever I moved my head, I would get dizzy due to the flaws in the poly materials. I can get around fine without glasses, but need them for shooting... if I want to see the target, that is.
-The facial hair was fun, but not something I can do with my current "other" hobby.
-Bandanna is a square of "homespun" cotton from a local fabric store
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l36/Trinity-The_Chicory_Kid/costume/PepperMillCreekGang9-24-2006040.jpg)
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This was a few months later. I had just purchased myself a Yellowboy to replace the '92.
-Duster is from Frontier Classics, a cotton/linen blend.
-Boots are from Del - Durango, I think. I have large calves and have difficulties getting my legs into narrow shafts. I also have limited mobility on my right side, which makes it pretty difficult to get that foot into any shoe, boots are even worse. I would like to have a more correct boot, but like the hat, I can't just buy it without first trying it on.
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l36/Trinity-The_Chicory_Kid/costume/Trinity1.jpg)
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I really like this picture, because it was such a beautiful, pre-spring day, but I had forgotten my hat at home. :(
-Shirt is Frontier Classics, Trousers are Wah
-The vest is again something my mother made from wool blend fabric that I had bought at a thrift store. Sadly, she becomes easily confused more often these days and that is possibly the last item that she'll make for me. I can't sew worth anything...
-Bandanna is a slik polka dot, tied in a four-in-hand.
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l36/Trinity-The_Chicory_Kid/costume/ThornfieldRangers11-2007014sm.jpg)
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I don't really like this picture because I didn't have a moment to look into a mirror beforehand. Otherwise, I would have sucked in my belly a bit. However, I really like the striped trousers - Frontier Classics
The vest is a "Duke" that I bought long ago.
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l36/Trinity-The_Chicory_Kid/costume/ChicoryKid.jpg)
I too want to get one of those loud plaids one day. ;D
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Slim I like what you did to the hat.
Thanks. Nice picture of the family, Scarlet.
Nice pictures, Trinity. Where'd ya get such a nice Bowie sheath? ;)
Slim
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;D ;D
A good pard of mine made it. He's got one just like it. ;D
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Great photos you all are posting. I'll have to get some of my duds and gear. All I have are photos that don't show what I wear these days. Thanks for sharing.
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Great photos you all are posting. I'll have to get some of my duds and gear. All I have are photos that don't show what I wear these days. Thanks for sharing.
Marshal......that avatar to the left looks pretty good.....
Bill
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Here are a couple more from the archives.......The feather bustle and traditional fan, are the real thing, Bald and Golden Eagle feathers, very, very old. I like things to look they way they were as much as can be documented. I research everything I wear and make most of my clothing if I can't buy it already made. If I can't find at least two first hand references for an object, it gets tossed out, no matter how much I like it or how nice it looks. Everything is hand stitched, either by me or a family member. All quill & bead work work is done by my daughter and sister.
Bill
My daughter Margaret & I, head dancers Pottawatomie homecoming Pow-Wow
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/File0087.jpg?t=1234744814)
Another Pow-Wow photo, Me, Traditional Head Dancer I think 1985
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/File00851.jpg?t=1234745204)
TinType, NCOWS Convention 2006, I'm really not that mean looking in person. The clothing is traditional Chiricahua Apache garb
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/ambro31.jpg?t=1234745434)
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Marshal......that avatar to the left looks pretty good.....
Yeah, you're right. Thanks for mentioning that. I'll list what it shows. There really isn't much more to it as it was taken as an avatar pic. The hat is a mid-range Jackson Hole Hat Co one that I steamed to make it look more authentic. the vest is a Wah-maker. The shirt is COWS. The bandana is cut from a remnant by Cactus Concho in Las Vegas.
OK, I found one that will show a little more. The hat is another JHHCo one. The shirt is Wah with the buttons up the rear and slip in decorative ones on the front. The vest isn't totally correct because when I had it made I didn't realize a flat bottom would be more suitable. The frock coat is a wool Wah-maker. The pants are made by Cactus Concho. The boots are Tony Lamas with the seam turned out and covered. They're a copy of a pair that was made in the mid-late 1800's purchased from Golden Gate Western Wear (also Knudson Hat Co.) The holster is a later California style I made to look representative of the 1880's on a plain 2" belt with a correct clip-corner buckle (not seen in the photo). The pistol is a Uberti Remington NMA made to resemble a Beals and fitted with a cartridge conversion. Forgive the bottles in the background. I didn't have any control over that. ;)
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Here are a couple more from the archives.......
I love that Apache Garb photo. Your outfits look great. Outstanding, in fact.
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That Apache is as scary in person as in the picture!! :o ::) ;D
Your picture is real fine too!! Wouldn't want to meet either of you fellows in a dark ally! ;) ;D Well, Bill anyhow!! ;) ;D ;) ;D
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Couple more from the archives....then I'm finished
Bill
Me and GW Schofield (Steve Coop) Paintsville Kentucky 2006
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/Paintsville1.jpg?t=1234761204)
Grand Entry, International Festival, Grand Rapids Michigan 1983. The 31 Eagle feathers on the staff I am carrying represent 31 Aanishinabe killed in the Korean war.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/BillMarg21.jpg?t=1234761369)
This is a shot from the four hour History Channel series, "Legends of the Old Northwest". This was taken during the "Tecumseh" segment. That is me and my son William (on the left) 1997.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/File00501.jpg?t=1234761571)
Finally, Sgt. E-5 Bill Proctor, Vietnam 1966. I thought I'd throw this one in for fun. This was taken seven months before I got wounded
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/Vietnam11.jpg?t=1234761801)
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I went through my ward robe today and I guess counting my traditional dance outfits, 18th, 19th reenactor outfits and CAS outfits...I must have around 30 complete sets of clothing. I counted 15 pair of moccasins that I have made over the years from woodland pucker toes, rabbit nose, center seams, winter muk luks to southwestern Apache moccasins, plains hard sole side seams...Funny thing is I only have one pair of boots, and they are period correct cavalry boots.
Marshal... I have one the knudson hats, it is a custom early telescope crown (not Roy rogers style) with a seven inch brim. I really like his hats and he'll make anything you want. I had him copy a photo of a rangers hat taken in 1868. His hats are a little pricey but well worth the cost. The hat is in one of the tin type photos on this forum that I posted.
By the way....you look like you could have stepped out of a Texas saloon around 1875........
Bill
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Thanks, Bill. I looked back a few pages at that hat. It looks good. Bill Knudson does do a good job on those hats. He gave me a few hints on how to shape hats and I now re-do most of my own to my liking.
Sounds like you have quite a collection of mocs. If I ever decide to make some, I'll pick your brain. I've often thought about making some ankle high ones.
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very cool pics Fellas.
Every one of them look great.
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If nothing else, this thread is a HUGE motivator. Gonna get a little more serious now.
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This cloak is made of black velvet and line in a red cotton. The red showing on my shoulders turns into a hood for a really cold evening.
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/NM6012r.jpg)
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/NM6012s.jpg)
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Here is one, the older lady Millie and her late husband were some of the founding members of the local muzzle-loading club. The kids are a Great-Great Niece and Nephew, that she brought along to Rock Creek Station last year. The kids are related to a friend from a Lab forum whio lives in Florida so we took the picture to send her.
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/e1.jpg)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/e2.jpg)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/e3.jpg)
Fred is there, just just can't see him, his ashes were sprikled on the West Ranch which is where we are.
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Here's a set of my friend Rick who has started being a cooks helper for me. Sometimes he wears a hat on his head, sometimes a bandanna. He did real good, rolled his own, used a kitchen match to light it, and I now made him a couple of small calico bags to put his makings in, his can with the plastic lid don't quite make it. ;)
He had a problem that we think is fixed now, but his feet swelled to much for his boots, so he stayed close to camp.
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/a1-1.jpg)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/a2-1.jpg)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/a3-1.jpg)
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I use the bags ya sent me, they're great.
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I use the bags ya sent me, they're great.
I need to find some material that photo's well and do a post on how to make them, they are simple and take no more than 10 minutes or so with a machine. Mine are more durable than the original tobbaco ones because of the way I fold them and make them.
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Once my real confuser is done reformating I'll post a picture. I like the way they hang from a shirt or vest button.
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Once my real confuser is done reformating I'll post a picture. I like the way they hang from a shirt or vest button.
Lots of pictures of them that way esp in the Civil War.
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Evolution of a Gunman
(http://www.lone-gunman.com/LGx2.jpg)
This was taken in the doorway of the bunkhouse at Rock Creek Station in 2005.
The character to the left is a little younger and should probably be called the Lone Greenhorn instead. (http://www.lone-gunman.com/rotf.gif)
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More great pics.
Scarlett, That looks so right. You could have had that taken a good hundred years ago.
Del, what a great picture. I love it. The kids's outfits are outstanding.
Lone Gunman, I really like that one. Your half-flap holster sure solidifies the look.
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Ottawa Creek Bill -
Gads, Sir- The detail you have put into your outfits is most impressive. I felt that your profile photo looked familiar, now we find that you worked LOTM, as well as other films.
If I might prevail upon your historical expertise, I would like to ask about "ribbon shirts".
A family friend, Grandma Neva Standing Bear (Rosebud Lakota) taught my wife to make Ribbon Shirts so that I would look goooood when we accompanied the Standing Bears to powows and ceremony. Can you tell me at what time period they first appeared, and when historically a Ribbon Shirt would be appropriate wear (ie: special events, powow, etc)?
>I wish more folks would try to look like they've worn their clothes for a good length of time, especially the male gender.
That's a very valid point, perhaps it's an emotional issue. I don't get much opportunity to wear my outfits, and I find it's difficult to take clothing you just spent days or weeks constructing and go roll around in the dirt :-)
yhs
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Thanks George, great picture. BTW if I remember right you got killed at Rock Creek Station that day. ;D
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Professor Marvel....
Appreciate the comments...............
Ribbon shirts are a 20th century Pow-Wow dance item, as are straight dance shirts.
I know what you mean about getting your clothes dirty...but you gotta do what you gotta do to make them look correct.
If you've ever watched the movie Tombstone, and have watched the extras with the directors commentary, one thing that struck me is that of all the things he would have done different in that film, is, he would have gotten the fella riding shotgun on the stagecoach clothes dirtier....his comment was he looked too clean compared to the rest of the actors. Trivial, but something he thought took away from the quality of the overall film.
Bill
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Ribbon shirts are a 20th century Pow-Wow dance item, as are straight dance shirts.
Thank You sir, I appreciate the information!
I know what you mean about getting your clothes dirty...but you gotta do what you gotta do to make them look correct.
If you've ever watched the movie Tombstone, and have watched the extras with the directors commentary, one thing that struck me is that of all the things he would have done different in that film, is, he would have gotten the fella riding shotgun on the stagecoach clothes dirtier....his comment was he looked too clean compared to the rest of the actors. Trivial, but something he thought took away from the quality of the overall film.
Well sir, You have opened my eyes - I finally took steps in that direction today - I wore a new white mexican shirt and new white canvas button fly trousers to a shoot and make a conscious effort to wipe my hands on both whilst loading and cleaning my C&B revolvers. It was at first an effort to break "gentlemanly habits", but it certainly is taking the "new shine" off. I shall continue this experiment in properly aging this outfit by wearing it whilst doing outside chores. A little breakfast grease, a little more dirt, some lunch gravy, more BP fouling and they should be on the right path :-)
Could perhaps frequent washing without detergent will help accelerate aging?
yhs
Prof Marvel.
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OCB,
That last pic -- M1 or M2? Given the year, I probably know why you're holding it.
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Professor.....
If you want to put a little Age on that new clothing without rolling around in the dirt.....add about a table spoon of walnut dye (made from walnuts) to a couple gallons of water over night...then rinse in cold water.
This will knock off the new look and give it an aged look. Before you do this experiment with a material close to what you are wearing.
You want to pre wet your shirt, let it dry so it is damp and then dye it.
Daniel......That is a M2 that I took off a dead Viet Cong.
Bill
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Here's a tintype of Beth and I taken at last year's NCOWS Convention. (It's reversed, of course).
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-5/1013589/Tintype1bestsmaller.jpg)
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Looks good Dave, BTW I would not roll those outfits in the dirt. ;)
A good example of more of a business look.
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Looks good Dave, BTW I would not roll those outfits in the dirt. ;)
A good example of more of a business look.
Del........
Dave has already volunteered to do just that (get his clothes dirty!) for our shootout video at the National Shoot. ;)
Bill
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Gettin' my clothes dirty doesn't really present a problem for me.....but I guarantee Miss Beth ain't gonna roll this (self-sewn) outfit in the dirt. Ain't gonna happen. ;)
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Tangent, but this reminds me of when I rode motorcycles. Guys would buy a new jacket and ask me how I got mine to look the way it did. The only true answer was "I wore it". Nobody could have falsley made it look the way it does. Mighta come close, but folks could just tell that it had seen some real miles.
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I have a white blouse I've used while mounted shooting (i.e. being around the horse) ..stains from all kindsa things...If ya'll are patient next time we have a shoot that's warm enough to wear it I'll let someone snap a picture......will it be ok if I am holding a modern day bottled beverage? ;D Usually I avoid film when I look trail worn :D
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Think you were wearin it in perty good right here. Had a better dust shot, but it was out of frame cause the camera was too slow.
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg133/leotanner/100_5052.jpg)
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I have a white blouse I've used while mounted shooting (i.e. being around the horse) ..stains from all kindsa things...If ya'll are patient next time we have a shoot that's warm enough to wear it I'll let someone snap a picture......will it be ok if I am holding a modern day bottled beverage? ;D Usually I avoid film when I look trail worn :D
Scarlet......Put it in a tin cup.
Bill
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Scarlet.
I think that we can manage a pic with a brewski bottle in it. A ice cold glass mug would be PC too, but don't put yourself for us! ;D
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LOL...Dr. Bob..I like the idea of a glass mug, but don't often carry one campin....I could come up with a flask though ;) I might be able to come up with a tin cup someplace. :)
Thanks Leo
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LOL...Dr. Bob..I like the idea of a glass mug, but don't often carry one campin....I could come up with a flask though ;) I might be able to come up with a tin cup someplace. :)
Thanks Leo
And Scarlet......I've got just the beverage to put in that tin cup.
Bill
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And Scarlet......I've got just the beverage to put in that tin cup.
Bill
I used to think I was the one that corrupted folks by handing them something and saying "try this" Oh so wrong...I don't hold a candle to some of my cowboy/cowgirl pards. ;D
I came across this picture.
I think I have some pretty good stuff here. The racoon bag (holds all kinds of goodies) I got at EOT one yr Tanned hide, leather lining. The skirt that used to be a brides maids dress...Mom tore it apart and we made something useful out of it...It has leather stains, horse stains and some tears in the hem it's hard to tell but it's faded too. The knife was made by LongLine Charlie. I love his work! That guy next to me I think he fills the bill of PC...he had shot all day too so I'm pretty sure his clothes were well used that day ;) That's Tensleep for those of you that may be wondering.
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/EOT07/EOT7-22-07041.jpg)
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This lovely lady is Miz Annie Ross...Tensleep's other half....She does an outstanding job of representing any timeline she chooses!
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/EOT07/EOT7-22-07022.jpg)
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Del, where the heck are you?
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I'm here, been working on a couple other projects, but I still have more pictures.
This is a couple who came to Rock Creek Station last year, she does basket weaving and they wanted to have the look with out spending too much money, the hat cost the lady almost as much as the skirt and blouse di, but she had shoes already that would work, less than $200 with the hat. Her husband had a pair of round toed boots already, $35 on thepants, $25 on the shirt and $30 on the palm leaf hat. He bought a fairly large one because he needed protection from the sun, a "Pork Pie: type one might have had a better look, but not a bad set up for a first trip out:
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/y1.jpg)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/y2-1.jpg)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/y3.jpg)
They were fun to work with, both setting them up in clothes and to spend the weekend with, looking forward to seeing them there this year.
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Below is a ferrotype of me and my lady Maria from last summer at Gibson’s in Gettysburg. Rob enjoyed making the image as he usually doesn’t deal with 1870s types who bring in their own clothes for pictures - he's usually dealing with CW images. It was a great period experience and a lot of fun having the image made together, and as it was a bright day only took a seven second exposure on the wet-plate camera. Hard to see in the picture but Maria’s reticule and one of her original fans in on the table, my Family Heirloom Weavers repro carpet bag is underneath it by my feet.
My outfit is just a run of the mill brown with woven window pane wool sack suit, proper Robert Land lace-up shoes and a Clearwater Hats low crown bowler. However, Maria’s outfit turned out really nice and was a great sewing project that captures the mid-1870s fashion of walking dress pretty well – short overskirt, long underskirt, representative collared bodice and a decent underskirt train though that can’t be seen in the image. Since the picture was made I added throg closures to the bodice and a series of bows to the sides of the over skirt so now it's officially complete. We made the dress and petticoat from Ageless Patterns patterns. the dress is made from quite heavy brown cotton with very thin woven window panes of violet, lighter brown and indigo (almost a sort of plaid but not quite). The sleeves needed some re-work as the pattern was a bit off (or I was off when I cut the fabric – likely more my error than the pattern’s…!).
Maria’s boots are Robert Land lady's lace-ups, though button-up would be even better. Her hat is a black 100% wool felt that I reshaped for the right period pronounced fore/aft curvature with a knife-pleated hat band made from the same fabric as her dress. She has one of her favorite period hat pins, with a decorative silver head, holding on her hat. Next projects are a house dress, an 1878-82 era walking dress (no bustle on these), a couple of common dresses and an apron or two for camp. We’re having fun making her stuff and are currently embarking on a wool coat – takes a lot of wool for the pattern we have and think it will come out nice.
Here is the ferrotype from Gibson’s studio showing Maria’s outfit to good effect:
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-4/1252580/Brass%20and%20Maria%20early%201870s2.jpg)
Here is a sample of her dress fabric which matches up as close as we could get it to several fabrics we’ve seen in period images. As her dress is not available right now for me to photograph in color here’s a swatch of it. I used to as a background for one of Maria’s cameos and my cameo tie stick-pin for display in the library. Hope it comes out well enough to see to fabric colors.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-4/1252580/fabric%20sample.jpg)
YMH&OS,
Brass
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Outstanding, as always, Brass.
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This was taken in 2004 for a magazine article....It's a cut out that was sent to me by a friend. I don't remember where or for what magazine...I was a little under the weather and not in a very good mood. >:( But it does give a good description of what I am wearing.
Bill
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/2004Bill003.jpg?t=1236707690)
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Here's some of me in my outfit. My daughter shot me with her new camera. It has a sepia tone setting on it somehow. She knows how to use it.
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d133/lennowenoxie/March202009005.jpg)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d133/lennowenoxie/March202009SecondTime005.jpg)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d133/lennowenoxie/March202009004.jpg)
We're havin' fun with it,
Horse Pen
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Good looking outfit.
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Howdy Del, long time.
Here are two tintypes I had taken by different photographers, both wearing one of my favorite outfits. I've had the vest for many many years, wish I could find a few others like it.
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g66/nhwildbill/Wild%20Bill/2007-10-07WildBillTinTypedetail.jpg)
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g66/nhwildbill/Wild%20Bill/2008-07-26WildBillTinType002.jpg)
Need to get one taken this year in my good frock coat.
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Looks dang good. Glad to see you around again.
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Wild Bill......Looks Great!! You look like you just stepped out of the 19th century.....Man, we need you in NCOWS,,,,,!! Pronto :)
Bill
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Nice pictures, Wild Bill.
Slim
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(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k186/SilverCreekSlim/CAS/AnnieLeeWillBillBlackerby-sepia2.jpg)
Will Bill, I found another one. ;)
Slim
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Heyyyyyy, it's Miss AnnieLee!! :)
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(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k186/SilverCreekSlim/CAS/AnnieLeeWillBillBlackerby-sepia2.jpg)
Will Bill, I found another one. ;)
Slim
Thank you Slim, I had not seen that one.
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Great Picture, Slim!
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You are very welcome.
Slim
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Yep, that's me and my darlin' Miss Annie Lee - we met up down in MD at the Regional and Ida Mae and I were lucky to know her for a few years before her passing. So sad, so young. :'(
Thanx for posting it Slim, I take it you've been to the photo site. ;)
Bill - my love of the 19th Century and all things western is one I've had all my life. SASS was a great way for me to enjoy living it out here on the east coast, there are no NCOWS groups here. It's one of the things I miss living out here instead of the mid-west.
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Well it's nice out today so I thought I'd get a photo with my new frock coat. Got it last year and only wore it once, of course it's wool so a little warm in the summer months.
Left out the sash I usually wear shooting, figured the coat is red enuff. ;D
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g66/nhwildbill/Wild%20Bill/Picture3210a.jpg)
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g66/nhwildbill/Wild%20Bill/Picture3210bw.jpg)
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g66/nhwildbill/Wild%20Bill/Picture3210s.jpg)
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Well Mr. Blackerberry, I want you to know yer not the only one that cleans up well. BTW if I look a bit younger in the picture, it's because I am, my wife wants me to get another one done sometime, this is from 2001 and none of the grey in my hair had started:
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/q1.jpg)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/q2.jpg)
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Clothes%20Pics/q3.jpg)
Somewhere I have a copy of this that Annie Lee photo shopped into a Snidley Whiplash type villian.
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Yep, that's me and my darlin' Miss Annie Lee - we met up down in MD at the Regional and Ida Mae and I were lucky to know her for a few years before her passing. So sad, so young. :'(
Thanx for posting it Slim, I take it you've been to the photo site. ;)
Yer very welcome, pard.
I'm don't remember where I got the picture.
Slim
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Del, I just wish I had some hair, I don't care what color it is. I was watching an episode of "Cowboys" on the Outdoor Channel. They were at an NCOWS match in Nebraska. Tequila interviewed Terry.
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Some shots from the shoot this weekend...clothes guaranteed to be sweaty from the hot weather, and dirty :)
Expressman & Taffy
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/shoot4-19-08193.jpg)
Kactus Joe and Tequila
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/shoot4-19-08106.jpg)
Scarlet & Buddy
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/shoot4-19-08340.jpg)
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You guys are posting some really great pictures
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Good shots.
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In mounted our horses are allowed modern day safety equipment for their protection. From the posted shots looks like Tequila is the only one not needing something.
Jerry is a level 5 shooter and has many championships under his belt. He is alot of fun to watch ride...and what I love about our sport mounted or not all levels of shooters are equally as nice and willing to help.
Jerry rides 2 horses many times....This is Taffy...I posted this one because it completes Jerry's outfit right down to the express saddle if you can see it very well. When we are not competeing he does have the mail bag to fit over it.. Taffy is one cool horse as they think she is partially blind in one eye due to an accident many yrs ago, but you only know by looking at her eye (it is clouded over). You would never know by watching her perform.
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/shoot4-19-08075.jpg) (http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/shoot4-19-08076.jpg)
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Somewhere I have a copy of this that Annie Lee photo shopped into a Snidley Whiplash type villian.
Ahem... Who did that?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/niemoller/title-snidely.gif)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/niemoller/Del2aa.jpg)
;D
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Ahem... Who did that?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/niemoller/title-snidely.gif)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/niemoller/Del2aa.jpg)
;D
My mistake, I swore it was her, knew it was one of my onery friends.
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Del, I still say that shoud be yer new avitar.
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Ok I'll bite. This is an older image of me (ca.1997) done on Collodion wet plate photography.
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s299/bucksarge/cbcsa2.jpg)
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Nothing to bite on, just a thread for pictures of outfits, nice picture and good outfit. ;)
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Thanks man. Yeah kinda hated to part with that uniform, it was a bear to make. Now to get busy making my western duds.
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Why'd ya get rid of it? It looks great. I like the wet plate photogarphy.
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Thanks man. Yeah kinda hated to part with that uniform, it was a bear to make. Now to get busy making my western duds.
Well be sure to post pictures when you get them done.
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Why'd ya get rid of it? It looks great.
Ex-wife. I'm sure you can understand without me going into all the bloody details ;D
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Ex-wife. I'm sure you can understand without me going into all the bloody details ;D
Gotcha, nuff said.
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In my younger days of CAS
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd220/Meadowmucker/Misc/HeyAmigo-Cut-1.jpg)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd220/Meadowmucker/Misc/PolishPurePolish.jpg)
Now, I'm just a plain old saddle tramp bum - scruffy and saddle worn ;)
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Both er perty slick John Boy. Del once recommended that I do the Pancho Villa thing but it didn't feel right fer me. Got some clothes on the way an found a great uncollared shirt that I fergot I had in the closet yesterday. When I get it all tagether I'll see what ya all think. Hopefully I'll have a working camera by then.
Love the spats.
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Thanks pard, I'd seen that picture before and thought if would fit in great here, thanks and folks here is another option, not everybody in the 19th century was a cowboy, we forget there were folks back east.
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Hey Del,
Would you please translate "fplks back eat"! Maybe 'folks back east'?? And not all in the west were cowboys or farmers or miners either.
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OK, fixed, was a long day. I guess what I meant to say was something more along the lines of "there were folks back east", and John Boy has that look most would think of from back there, not that all back east dressed that way or was that look limited to those back east. ;)
If after another cup of coffee that don't make sense I'm going to bed. ;D
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Ya mean I'm not the only one that modifiesposts?
True, not everyone out west was a cowboy. The east coast was the base of fasion fer those who could afford it.
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Leo,
And those folks back east were doing their best to look like the fashionable folks in London and to a lesser degree Paris! John Boy looks quite dapper! Pretty conservative, but dapper just the same.
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Del, How does this look?, picture was taken at Mason/Dixon Stampede 03
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d19/Majer357/allimds.jpg)
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Looks pretty sharp to me, you're like me my friend, we clean up pretty good when we want to. ;)
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Having a Good lookin Woman like Tornado Alli next to you doesn't hurt either... ;)
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Having a Good lookin Woman like Tornado Alli next to you doesn't hurt either... ;)
I wasn't gonna say that, but yer right.
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Was gonna mention the London an Paris thing. Was also gonna mention the striking gal in Major's photo. Yer suit is lookin good too Maj, but gotta say she's stealin the show. I figger ya won't mind me sayin that cause I know how I feel when I have Lil on ma arm ;)
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Del once recommended that I do the Pancho Villa thing but it didn't feel right fer me. Got some clothes on the way an found a great uncollared shirt that I fergot I had in the closet yesterday.
Leo, if you are looking for 'south of the border stuff', try here. Darn good prices and selections: http://www.sercal.com/
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Thanks JB, but I've decided ta stick with standard Norte Americano.
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Was gonna mention the London an Paris thing. Was also gonna mention the striking gal in Major's photo. Yer suit is lookin good too Maj, but gotta say she's stealin the show. I figger ya won't mind me sayin that cause I know how I feel when I have Lil on ma arm ;)
Thanks for the compliment Leo, But Tornado Alli is just a dear friend who I don't get to see very often. She is one of the original Carolina Belles. I have a couple other photos of her in even more striking attire, I'll post them when I can find them.
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Maj,
Be quick about it! Ya got all us red blooded American males out here hanging on with baited breath!! ::) :o ::) :D
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How about this one? This is a copy of the dress that Scarlet O'Hare wore in "Gone with the wind".She made it all by hand
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d19/Majer357/DCP_0409.jpg)
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Here's one from Mason/Dixon Stampede 2003
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d19/Majer357/DCP_1057.jpg)
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This is the last of the photos I could find
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d19/Majer357/DCP_0402.jpg)
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Yur a good man Maj.!!! ;D She shore is purty.
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Ditto from here, thanks for the pictures pard.
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Whew! Mah glasses is now awl fawgged up! :o 8)
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Nice pics guys.
Here are a few from last weekend.
Gettin' ready to go (horse & rider half dressed)
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/th_BuddyRoses043.jpg) (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/?action=view¤t=BuddyRoses043.jpg)
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/th_BuddyRoses043-1.jpg) (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/?action=view¤t=BuddyRoses043-1.jpg)
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/th_BuddyRoses2020.jpg) (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/?action=view¤t=BuddyRoses2020.jpg)
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/th_BuddyRoses2020-1.jpg) (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/?action=view¤t=BuddyRoses2020-1.jpg)
All dressed and being R.O....
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/th_DeadmansWalk09145R.jpg) (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/?action=view¤t=DeadmansWalk09145R.jpg)
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/th_DeadmansWalk09145R-1.jpg) (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/?action=view¤t=DeadmansWalk09145R-1.jpg)
on the course
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/th_DeadmansWalk09111R.jpg) (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/scarlet45/?action=view¤t=DeadmansWalk09111R.jpg)
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Capt. Elliot and his Rangers.
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh17/Captayne/Roughriders/Gang.jpg)
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Miz Alli is now living in the Chi-Town area. there's more pics of her and the other Belles over on the Carolina Belles site.
www.carolinabelles.net/vb (http://www.carolinabelles.net/vb)
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Captain Elliot an his bunch er lookin like no one ta mess with. Just hope that Remmie is unloaded.
Thanks fer the link Buck.
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Capt. Elliot's bunch looks ready for action.
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Capt. Elliot....
Please don't take this the wrong way, but I really like the early look you've achieved, except the "92" and the "94" look out of place in comparison with the rest of your gear.
Bill
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Thanks all.
No worries at all Bill. My lovely wife just bought me a Spencer Carbine for my birthday and I will be using that over my '94. Next on the shopping list (does it ever end) is a pair of '58 Remingtons to mount in pommel holsters for me and a '73 Winchester for my wife Michelle she is sitting in the front of the pic).
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Thanks all.
No worries at all Bill. My lovely wife just bought me a Spencer Carbine for my birthday and I will be using that over my '94. Next on the shopping list (does it ever end) is a pair of '58 Remingtons to mount in pommel holsters for me and a '73 Winchester for my wife Michelle she is sitting in the front of the pic).
I think that is great!! How did you go about getting that look.......It looks really authentic and that is what I strive for.....
Don't personally care for all the B-Western stuff...or for that matter anything beyond the year 1880.
Its so easy to document the gear for just about any time period now, that getting it right should be all our goals.
You and your gang would fit right in NCOWS.
Bill
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Glad you like it, bit I have to admit that I have fudged the jacket I am wearing. It is a custom made copy of the Charlie Prince jacket from the latest 3.10 to Yuma. It is leather and is a great jacket but not exactly authentic. ;)
I do have a nice wool Frock Coat that I wear as well.
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh17/Captayne/WWpics/RM10.jpg)
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Howdy ya'll!
Dell pointed me in this direction and ...... Well these last few pages have some relly Nice lookin' Ladies! Ms. Angel is looking good on that Fine Horse ah hers and Ms. Allie.....She's ah Sweetie!
So in keeping with the Lookers First..... ;)
This is a Young Lady Shooter here in NC...
(http://thumb13.webshots.net/t/73/173/1/78/11/2118178110105092433ntKhfg_th.jpg) (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2118178110105092433ntKhfg)
Young lady will be 19 May 30. She's a Classic Cowgirl fer sure.
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And this one is Me!
Don't ya wanna chut wid us now Dell?
(http://thumb13.webshots.net/t/66/766/0/66/69/2247066690105092433WEihHy_th.jpg) (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2247066690105092433WEihHy)
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Good photos.
Now look at Miss Scarlets horse an look at ma avitar, that is one fine animal.
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Good photos.
Now look at Miss Scarlets horse an look at ma avitar, that is one fine animal.
Nuttin' personal mind ya.......
She sits ah Horse much better den You! :D
Not ta mention....she's much easier on da EYES! :-X
:D :D
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No offense taken. Me an Lil are gonna see em both again in a couple weeks. I'll say this in front a God an everyone, that was ma first time on a horse, do it show?
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No offense taken. Me an Lil are gonna see em both again in a couple weeks. I'll say this in front a God an everyone, that was ma first time on a horse, do it show?
:D
Well maybe ...just a little.... :D
Good thing fer you the Horse knew whut ta do.....
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Leo got a couple of rolls of quarters and went to Walmart and practiced on the pony by the front doors before he got on Buddy.
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Leo got a couple of rolls of quarters and went to Walmart and practiced on the pony by the front doors before he got on Buddy.
:D :D :D
Leo, Leo, we ain't laughin' at ya.......
Well, maybe a little..... ;D
Still....Lookin' good! ::)
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Well come on, them stirrups wernt zactly rigged ger a man of my stature.
Oh heck, go ahead an laugh, just not at Buddy.
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Leo, you look like you oughta be up on one,
sometimes you don't get the chance to ride em.
Grandpa threw me up on a horse before I could ever think about walkin, they even threw me up on the gentle cows out in the pasture,
this picture is kinda hard to see, but I was about a year and half.
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Dell, Ya sure ya dun't wanna come chutin' wid us?
Da chutin's fun, but it's the Stretch Raffles I live fer! ;)
(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u259/wiremanben/2008%20Uprising%20NCSM/100_0971.jpg)
Shhhh! Dun't tell nobody!
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Finally! Found the Photo of my Young Friend and her proud parents! That's me on da right.
(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u259/wiremanben/Eden%20Nov%202007/DSC00155_edited.jpg)
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And this one is Me!
Don't ya wanna chut wid us now Dell?
(http://thumb13.webshots.net/t/66/766/0/66/69/2247066690105092433WEihHy_th.jpg) (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2247066690105092433WEihHy)
I've been invitin' him out here for a few years now. Of course, he's been extending the same honor. One of these days one of us will take the other up on the offer. ;D
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Great photos! I enjoy looking at all of them and all of the different looks we all have.
Leo looks great on a horse, woulda looked better if we would've let them stirrups down about a foot. Maybe Leo was thinkin' he could head for the track though ;)
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Oh I kept the heels clear of his flanks, but who knows...coulda been the worlds heaviest jockey. ;)
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Leo, I wouldn't get my hopes up on being a jockey.
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This was taken this afternoon after our monthly match.. It shows a new kepi (hat) that I have added three genuine eagle feathers to and some silver (you can't really see the silver on the rear side of the hat), this was a very popular hat with the Apache scouts. I've lost 55 pounds this year, when I loose another 35-40, you'll be able to see the whole chin strap. ;D ;D
Bill
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/newhat.jpg?t=1246141727)
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Nice pitcher dare OCB.....
How bout the "Silver" on the back? Where didja git Eagle Feathers? We have some eagles the fly the lake..... that has got to be the coolest thing to see....Eagles Fishing....
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We make the request through our tribal council.....
Bill
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We make the request through our tribal council.....
Bill
Cool....
Round here ya'd git in big trouble for even having one.... even if you picked it up from the ground.
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Wireman,
Bill is an INDIAN and therefore can possess feathers from raptors. The rest of us get a "Go to jail" card if we have one.
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That's why mine is a painted turkey feather. Don' wanna push the little luck I do have. :o
Looks good, OCB. Love that rifle!
(Congrats on the weight loss. I for one know that it isn't as easy to remove as it is to add. Oh, and the chin strap is quite visible.)
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Congrats to OCB on his weight loss. I hope to see him while he's down here in the metroplex.
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Congrats to OCB on his weight loss. I hope to see him while he's down here in the metroplex.
TL....Dave and I hope to leave on Sunday morning the 12th. We start filming on the 16th so that will give us a couple days to get acclimated to the weather and meet some of you folks down there. I don't know if I mentioned it or not, but Dave is a Indianapolis Police officer and has been growing a period correct mustache and chin whiskers for this film and boy has he been getting an eye from the folks at work! Dave is near retirement and pretty much has told them to shove it! He is really excited about being in this film.
Hey, I've got Tascosa Joe's phone number but I don't have your contact information. If you want you can email it to me.
bill@surf-ici.com
Bill
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been on this site for about a month now and just ran across this thread. looks like it kind of died out a little so maybe i can spark it back up a little. here are some pics of me and a few of my pards at living history events
making boodan
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/buckskinbilly/memakingboodanatcritters09.jpg)
cooking breakfast in the trapping camp(i appologize for the back ground)
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/buckskinbilly/cookingbreakfast.jpg)
me and my pard cody on a buggy ride
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/buckskinbilly/101_0138.jpg)
my tintype
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/buckskinbilly/BuckskinBilly.jpg)
beaver trapping
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/buckskinbilly/mybeavers1.jpg)
from left to right: cody, his boy zack(notice his blunder bus) allen and me. we are the limp bull fur company
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/buckskinbilly/largepicofthelimpbullfurcompany.jpg)
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I need me one of them fox tails ;D Where bouts you all at?
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Buckskin, nice pictures, I've got some more I need to get up of me and friends. Need time when I'm home because my work computor don't have a program to do B&W or sepia and I like to look at them in all.
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Buckskin, I like that tintype. You look like a Missourah bushwacker.
I wish I had the tintype of my GGGrandfather (the real Wild Billy Potts) in Texas in the 1870s. Y'all would get a big kick outta it.
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Del.......I think Custers baldness was accelerated quite a bit at Little Big Horn ;D ;D
Bill
The savages did not scalp nor partake in their standard practice of mutilation of Custer. Some say it was because he had a relationship with an indian woman and was considered a relative by many of them. The only mutilation was, his eardrums were pearced, supposedly so he could hear better in the afterlife.
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Finally, Sgt. E-5 Bill Proctor, Vietnam 1966. I thought I'd throw this one in for fun. This was taken seven months before I got wounded
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Glad you made it back . 66 the year I enlisted.
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Glad you like it, bit I have to admit that I have fudged the jacket I am wearing. It is a custom made copy of the Charlie Prince jacket from the latest 3.10 to Yuma. It is leather and is a great jacket but not exactly authentic. ;)
I do have a nice wool Frock Coat that I wear as well.
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh17/Captayne/WWpics/RM10.jpg)
Where did you get that great lookin hat?
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Here is a link to a great place to find alot of information on fabrics, pattern and sewing. Mostly for the Civil War period but still usefull. http://thesewingacademy.org (http://thesewingacademy.org) Happy sewing
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A little bit B-cowboy:
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x80/Jhunt67/ScoutonHorse.jpg)
Definitely B-cowboy, look at that stampede string!!!
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x80/Jhunt67/June3-42006061.jpg)
The real deal:
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x80/Jhunt67/tin15.jpg)
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The wife and I plus some friends at events.
The first is her new outfit she made and I with the vest she made, the hat is from a shop in Livingston Montana steamed and reshaped. The next is us with them folks from New Zealand that we fitted up as best we could. The wife in more of her duds she mostly makes and I have a new set of trousers by Wah. Last is my gang in Medicene Bow ready to shoot up the town, gall-darn wild womenfolks!
(http://)(http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab91/JKilts/DSCF0226.jpg)
(http://)(http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab91/JKilts/GetAttachment.jpg)
(http://)(http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab91/JKilts/Virginian08031.jpg)
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JH,
I notice the B-cowboy horse has a tie down. They are used a lot now days, esp. in action type riding. Did the cowboys use tie downs in the late 1800's? Never paid much attention to it before. Just wondering.
Deadeye Dick
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Deadeye: I suspect no self respecting cowboy ever used a tie-down. Despite riding a slick mother hubbard saddle these guy's could probably stick to anything a horse could bring their way. A horse who was throwing its head about to a cowboys annoyance most likely got the stiff end of the quirt or a coil of rope slapped across its head. Horses were not back yard pets to them, they were a working tool, and they had string to work with.
While a tie down works well in an arena, in rough country a horse needs its head to balance with - not to mention catching the tie down in brush or whatever. Quick turns and turn around while roping in open country do not bode well for a tie down. After several seasons of using a tie down in mounted shooting, I ceased. It certainly didn't improve my scores.
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The first photo I'm wearing a pair of riding trousers I made from a pattern, the shirt I got from Gander Mountain about 25 years ago, the belt and holster are my 'working rig' that I wear when I'm out working on the property, the boots, well, not p.c. Mastersons, the hat I made from an old Tandy pattern.the pistol is a 61 navy with simulated ivory grips and Marlin Cowboy Special Limited Edition in .45
Second photo the shirt I made from a Buckaroo Bobbins pattern, the same hat, gunbelt and holster I made from a modified buscadero pattern,Navy Arms Bisley , 94 Winchester Trapper in .357, the mocs I made from a pattern for 'plains style high-tops', the trousers are elk. Shirt, trousers and mocs are all left-overs from my buckskinning days.
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RCJ,
What is the black luggage you are carrying opposite the carpet bag in the 1873 jail picture. What was it used for
and what is it made of.
Regards
Colt
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Hi
I currently live in Oklahoma where it's NICE and warm, it's September 26th and it was 95 Degrees F yesterday. I'm looking at getting stuff together for CAS. Is the Frontier Classics canvas vest and pants going to last a while? I had seen a picture of a pair from one of their rivals and you could see through the fabric. If I turn out to REALLY like CAS, I'll probably go to Wool next year.
I found what I'm after on Tonto Rim's site.
Thanks
Mike
Norman OK
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I get a couple years out of the pants before I patch them and keep wearing them where I don't have to look as good. That is wearing them all the time, I put more wear on a pair in a month than most will in a year, think Carhartt and how well they wear. Their lighter ones I get a little over a year, those are the striped ones. To be honest with you either will last longer than these modern, half worn out pre-washed jeans that everyone thinks they need. ;)
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Thanks Del
I'll order soon.
Mike
Norman OK
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These are 19th century pants from the pattern by Laughing Moon. They have cross pockets, button fly, welt pockets at the rear and a back-strap.
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Hi,
This was taken on Easter Saturday of 2012 for our Old Sacramento Living History Easter Bonnet Promenade ... I am play an 1851 (or later) townie decked out in all his finest .... with the hope of escorting 'Lady'. I have other pics where I am escorting, but do not wish to put the women on our page ...
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab107/WaddWatsonEllis/2012EasterBonnetPromenade1.jpg)
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" Course the tie is about 20years too modern, but it was the only red tie that I have (I have since bought a red ready-made bow tie that is 'period').
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Hi,
I posted this in another thread, and thought better of it and posted here ... this is during Gold Rush Days in Old Sacramento, and I am reenacting as a miner-turned-apprentice-lather worker... I was using my old leather scraps to make IDs for kid's backpacks (I was very popular at that).
But the thing I wanted to show was that I had bought this work shirt pattern from October Country of the The Possibles Shop ... can't remember ... anyway, the local seamstress made me several shirts from the pattern, and this is one .... it is a square shirt that was 'easy to make' (this coming from a seamstress, so take with a grain of salt).
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab107/WaddWatsonEllis/2012GoldRush.jpg)
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Perhaps this shows a sharper view.
Joann of Laughing Moon found a salesman's sample of nineteenth century trousers and this pattern is based on them. I'll try wool for the next pair.
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Well I know its Not much but this is the starters of my CAS, SASS, and NCOWS the hat is a soft felt tooper hat my shirt is some sort of cooten flanle with tow brest pockets and the suspenders are wah maker
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Reminds me of that guy Jerimiah Johnson found buried up to his chin in the movie... ;D Looks good to me :)
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Reminds me of that guy Jerimiah Johnson found buried up to his chin in the movie... ;D Looks good to me :)
Ah my dear Rick -
I have been engrossed in a movie, but never buried up to my chin in a movie ....
yhs
prof marvel
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Said he was sittin on a fine horse~ ;D
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Thought I'd try and revive this thread...
I've had the great honor to meet and shoot with a few folks in this thread..RC John, Del, SC Slim to name a few. I've been inspired by their outfits.
Here's some of mine...
The first is from my first year in SASS at the Last Stand at Thunder River. The match was based on "The Magnificent Seven". I dressed as a mexican peasant. Excuse the soxes and modern sandles. I didn't have time to make any sandals.
The second pic is from a Christmas Parde. The lovely red-headed lady is my favorite wife. My leather accoutrements were made by yours truly. The pants aren't exactly PC....Dickies dungaries with belt loops, but I cover them with the gun belt...haven't figured out how to hide the cell phone pocket on the leg just yet!
The third and forth are from GAF Grand Muster 2016. The vest in the flag pole pic is wool with a cordaroy back....wish it was shorter.
I enjoy the creative part of making the outfits. All are a work in progress, and I'm working towards more authenticity.
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I guess there was a "DNR" order on this thread!
??? :(
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Hey GT,
Meant to reply and life got in the way. Love the pics. Looking great. I would love to see the paddles come out and this get shocked back to life. So hopefully more will follow suit. As it stands, I am a poor cowpoke, so I only have one outfit. Must work on that.
CLEAR!
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My Good Troy -
thanks for waking up this Rip Van Outfit!
you have shown a very nice "outfit progression" and I for one would like to see more like this from willing members!
yhs
rof marvel
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Troy, I just removed the cell phone pocket. One of the pairs of white pants I wore at the GAF Muster started life as painters pants from Wal Mart, I just removed all the extra pockets and hammer loops, had to open up the side seams to remove them, then re-sew. Helps that the pants were new, so there's no "fade marks" to show where they were. Only problem with them, they're still cut to ride too low, with the Foreign Legion outfit, had to wear the blue sash too low, to cover the top of the pants.
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Clear! ;D
I am working on a pre-WWI US Army outfit.
Slim
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Anyone know of sewing patterns for 1880,90's uniforms?
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My newest impression...an Apache.
All except the shirt are made by yours truly...breeches, breech clout, belt, holster, headband, and moccasins. I enjoy this aspect as much as the shooting and fellowship!
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You all make a much better looking Indian than I did. ;)
Quick Fire
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Nice, Troy.
But, the wedding band looks a bit odd. ;)
I can no longer take mine off unless the finger goes with it. :o
Slim
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Thanks Quickfire, and Slim. Quickfire, you are modest in your comment!
I'll eventually accent the outfit with some silver jewelry. My mother has a squash blossom necklace that she is giving to me at Christmas. Also, I've found some one-size fits all rings that would cover the wedding band, but I too must, by choice, display mine!
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Here is Ottawa Creek Bill
and the Seminole is Paul “Swamp Owl” Morrison
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Lookin' good, Troy! But I think more important than darkening your hair, would be darkening you!
M2, how's Ottawa Creek Bill doing? he's been absent from the forum for several years.
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I saw him several years ago, but it's been far to long...
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Looks good, Troy.
RCJ
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Clear! ;D
I am working on a pre-WWI US Army outfit.
Slim
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k186/SilverCreekSlim/GAF/EEM%20Outfit%20Oct%202016.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/SilverCreekSlim/media/GAF/EEM%20Outfit%20Oct%202016.jpg.html)
Slim
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(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k186/SilverCreekSlim/GAF/EEM%20Outfit%20Oct%202016.jpg) (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/SilverCreekSlim/media/GAF/EEM%20Outfit%20Oct%202016.jpg.html)
Slim
Gunny would say:
Ya gonna meet our barber! Real soon!
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Gunny would say:
Ya gonna meet our barber! Real soon!
The advent of WWI trench warfare brought on that regulation. ::)
Slim
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Seems that our Silver Creek Slim looks more like an 1870's civilian scout than a 1917 doughboy.....
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Slim...I think that you should shave and dye your hair to make the look complete! :P
Seriously, though...nice outfit, nice job!
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Here's mine, it's partial PC. The hat isn't correct but I don't like the look of most period correct hats. Delmonico's looks good on him but for me it just doesn't work. The pants are grey wool based on pattern used by some early civil war confederate uniform makers. Shirt is dark blue three button. Veat is a four pocket wool with satin liner and back. Boots are mule eared , that have the ears cropped. The spurs (not shown) are bottle opener patterened. So while most of the clothes are close to PC that period would range from about 1850's Mule eared boots, to 1890's with the bottle opener spurs, throw in the 1860's for the confederate pants, and the Deputy Marshal's badge used in I.T. in the 1880's. The more I've learned about the time frames I can now begin to refine my clothing.
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Nice get up, Tater.
As for a hat, how about a CW era slouch? I think you'd look good in an open crown with a kettle curled or pencil rolled brim. Something like this, but with a rolled-edged brim...
http://www.wwmerc.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=66-08&type=store&category=6100
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My outfit is finally coming together:
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Looking good there Old School!
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It sure stinks that Photobucket dropped their hosting. Lost a lot of pictures on here!
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Here's me as Gabby and Color Sgt Bourne. I do the Gabby one month and then trim my beard into muttonchops for Bourne for the next shoot. We also do a 2 inch snubnose match where you use your belly gun as a third gun. Here's my Amish Mafia outfit.
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Here's me as Gabby and Color Sgt Bourne. I do the Gabby one month and then trim my beard into muttonchops for Bourne for the next shoot. We also do a 2 inch snubnose match where you use your belly gun as a third gun. Here's my Amish Mafia outfit.
The Gabby hat is awesome!
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Here's a pic of my Plains Indian "Sunday-go-to-meeting" outfit. It is a work in progress. I'm making some beaded mocs now. And, getting some better feathers. Eventually, I plan to add beading to the shirt.
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Well, these things cost money, so I'm puttin' together an outfit as best I can. I'm putting together the outfit(s) for my character, DB-Daniel Banes-Books. Brother of JB Books, John Wayne's final character in, " the Shootist" that died in a gunfight in the saloon in Carson City, Nevada in 1901. Not quite as dressy as his older brother, but does spiff up a might. And as we've come to realize, vengeful brothers just seem to ride forever. The hat is a reproduction of one called a slouch, popular in the 1880's. The shirt is a Shiloh in a heavy cotton weave that gets scratchy without a tee-shirt underneath. The string tie with onyx was a birthday gift from my daughter and wife. I'd like to replace it with the more typical black ribbon tie. The lambskin leather waistcoat is imported from the UK and took some extra time to get. Too bad it has snaps. Couldn't find it with buttons or concho ties. I also picked up a gold plated hunter's watch and chain similar to that worn by JB Books. The belt is a concealed-carry belt from Midway USA. It has the ability to change buckles. The adjustable gun belt with 44,45 caliber cartridge loops is due in any time today, 04/23. So more pics coming. I changed the brass buckle for the Winchester Repeating Arms one that goes back at least some 55 years. Gives me a couple more inches to fit. The Holster is a 19th century reproduction of a quick draw one very much like I saw JW wear many times. The hat, shirt & holster are from Historic Emporium. The western diamondback rattler hatband is from Silver Hills Trading Company in Tucson, AZ. This outfit is part historic 19th century west, and part 50's-60's western.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/eorlgC.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pneorlgCj)
This next pic is from a bit earlier day before the shirt and such came in. 2.5" belt from Walmart is a bit dark for my liking, but fit after cutting some more holes. These pics show my Co2 .177 caliber pellet/cartridge shooter copied from Colt's SAA with 5.5" barrel. Black grips seen here, but I've swapped on faux ivory ones already. Good plinker that doesn't make so much noise. And identical to the powder burners.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/922/7tgqZ0.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pm7tgqZ0j)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/922/VhKcy9.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmVhKcy9j)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/921/DToiUJ.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plDToiUJj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/922/ApI9r0.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmApI9r0j)
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DB,
Really admire that watch of your. It is a fine looking timepiece! (smile)
Dave
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I got it on amazon. But the maker put pocket clips on both ends of the chain. Oopse! So I searched around, wound up on eBay where I found one that's a Victorian design that I had to add a pocket clip and it's mounting loop to the keyring clasp it came with to wear it.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/922/JYm5wD.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmJYm5wDj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/8xmfQR.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pn8xmfQRj)
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Chance and I in our Span Am outfits. DA Colt revolvers too. You can see the butt of my krag. And my baggy butt.
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With the mask in public requirement, is anyone else wearing their CAS gear (empty holster) with a bandanna over your nose and mouth? I get the strangest looks in Publix, buying groceries.
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I do too. Bandana, slouch hat, and my red-n-black plaid logger coat. That's what my Canadian bud says they call'em. Or a tee shirt and my new 4-pocket vest with lapels. I get odd looks, or laughs. I consider it a compliment. Speaking of which, here's a couple pics of me with my new duds;
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/nhoJC0.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnnhoJC0j)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/Q3Xhhn.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnQ3Xhhnj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/922/PujX4U.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmPujX4Uj)
And my, " Fill your hands you SOB!" pose;
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/C6qj8u.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnC6qj8uj)