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The Darksider's Den / Re: Substitutes
« Last post by Coffinmaker on Today at 08:22:30 AM »

 :)  Joe   ;)

I'm just kinda sorta Piling On here.  Ya know, "Plays Well with Others" sort of thing.  I shoot a lot of APP.  Seriously a LOT of APP.  Easiest clean-up of any of the Propellants.  There are several other good points though.  APP requires no Lube.  At'z right.  No Lubes.  None. Nada. Zero. Zilch.  You can shoot Nudie Bullets all day.  If you happen to find you have a goodly pile of Smokeless Lubed bullets, just go shoot 'em.  APP don't care if there is Crayon Lube.  Great stuff.

People are Still Contagious.  Avoid 'em

 :( HillbillyJim  :(

And your very first post "here" is a snide downer??  Obviously a wondrous way to gain friends and influence people.

Why Post Here if It's Just a Downer??
Why post here if you dont get notifications on this site?
Tall Tales / Re: Hot August Nights with Coffee & Tea.
« Last post by Silver Creek Slim on Today at 07:15:35 AM »
Morning y'all.
Coffee and tea are ready.

'Tis 48 and cloudy. High of 79.

The Darksider's Den / Re: Substitutes
« Last post by Tascosa Joe on Today at 06:57:24 AM »
Thanks for the info.
Once again, I would like to reference this thread from "leverguns"

it shows actual pressure data for BP, Trailboss, and SR4759

please read the whole thing.

they make a valid point based on real data that TrailBoss
is a fluffy smokeless and IS NOT a BP sub or for older guns.

SR4759 has an almost identical pressure curve as Black Powder, and apears to perform somewhere between FFFg and FFg

as always, YMMV

prf mumbles
« Last post by Long Johns Wolf on Today at 01:35:07 AM »
Some call us conversion aficionados "Conversionistas" on the eastern banks of the Big Pond.
My regular match combo is a pair of custom RM converted Colt 1861 Navy replicas, .38 Long Colt cal. when I am competing in the Cattle Baron cat.
In Classic Cowboy I either use a pair of Centaure Long Cylinder Conversions (LCCs) with 4" barrel or a pair with 5,5" barrels, caliber is .44 Colt.
Long Johns Wolf
The Darksider's Den / Re: Substitutes
« Last post by Abilene on Yesterday at 11:06:45 PM »
APP definitely leaves less fouling in the bore than BP.  I have used some 777 in .38's for rifle some years back because it was easy to find locally.  777 in a .38 seemed to recoil about the same as FFFg BP in a .357 in that rifle.  APP is the most popular sub for good reason.  But hardly any stores carry it so usually you will have to mail order, then you get into hazmat, etc.  Natchez is carrying Shooter's World Multi-Black (made by APP for Shooter's World).  I finally ran out of the can of APP that I opened in 2013  :) so I added a few cans of Multi-Black to my Natchez order when I was ordering primers and other powder. :)
I always make those borders using a hand CS Osborne embossing wheel. It's very close to the shape and size on some original FA Meanea and Al Furstnow pieces in my collection. I don't know if they still make those or not.

Do you have any idea of the model numbers?

Thanks for all the info. This forum is truly a treasure.
The Darksider's Den / Re: Substitutes
« Last post by Cliff Fendley on Yesterday at 09:57:44 PM »
APP really isn't bad in the grunge department. Triple 7 leaves a hard crusty stuff that is sort of hard to clean. I've only used the later in modern inline muzzle loaders. I shot quite a bit of APP a few years back because I got some essentially free and found I liked it far better than other subs. I remember feeling like I thought the APP was not as powerful as Pyrodex or real BP. That said I did not crony any loads, my assumption was merely based on recoil of the guns and the report on steel targets. Plenty fine for CAS.
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