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Special Interests - Groups & Societies => The Winchester Model 1892 => Topic started by: Black River Smith on June 30, 2019, 03:44:43 PM

Title: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: Black River Smith on June 30, 2019, 03:44:43 PM
The Win 92 design is the only one of their model levers I have not owned or not shot.  So I would like to find one at a reasonable price sometime soon.  This is strictly for my own fun not CAS.  The caliber is not that important since most Rossi's are now straight wall chambers.  But a 44-40 would be nice to find.   So here goes some of the question I have not been able to answer 'clearly' from web searches;

Are these rifles still offered in octagon barrel rifle 24" configurations?  I would prefer this model.

Where are the best places on the web to find any variation of these rifles or carbines for sale?

Am I going to have to buy new at this time?  I do not see any used on web or in my local shops.  More than ten years back there was one in a local shop - oct 44-40 but I was not interested back then.  Just last year there was a consignment carbine 44mag for $400 in a pawn shop, did not buy, because I was looking for a Win 94 at the time.

Not many being sold as used - so are they really good rifles?  Not many used could mean people keep them or not many people buy them.  Discussions on sites have differing arguments about that point.

What are the best prices - new and used?  I see some site listings, $490 to $520.  What are the going rates?  Are old models going for higher prices?  Why?  Saw one posting about someone giving $600 for a used older pre-safety rifle.  Why high these are not collectables?

Also, I would really like an oct '92 rifle in 38/40 (just seems like a nice combination of weight and power) so any version I buy 'could be' altered at some point (carbine would be kept as carbine).  Has anyone done something like this to a Rossi?  That is the main reason for looking for a good deal, older one rather than a brand new one.

Thanks for any comments
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: DeaconKC on June 30, 2019, 06:34:35 PM
I have 2 of the late models ones with the safety. One in .357 and one in .45. The .357 needed to have the loading gate smoothed as it would nearly cut you loading rounds but the .45 needed nothing done to it. The 357 is a couple years old with probably 500 rounds through it, most .38 Specials. I do need to stick with 140 grain bullets at least for smooth feeding, my cast 158s run fine in 38 cases. The .45 has probably had 200 rounds through it and runs with everything so far. Both mine are 20" round barrels. Tight when brand new, they smoothed up quickly with use and have run fine. I bought both new, as you have noticed, no one lets go of these little rifles. I just leave the safety alone, but if it ever becomes a problem, there was a youtube video on how to remove it and fill the gap with a .25ACP case. I will probably pick up a .44 Magnum too in the future just because...
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: russ1943 on July 05, 2019, 06:04:19 PM
I got a EMF ASM 92 Rifle 44-40, all parts are interchangeable with the Original Winchester, Case, Octagon, rifle really nice, smooth as silk, accurate, less test fired only.
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: King Medallion on July 06, 2019, 08:52:53 AM
I have 2 pre-safety Rossi's, one in 44-40, the other in 38/357. The 44-40 had an action job some 25 years ago and i have had zero issues with it, ever. The 38 I got for my wife so she could shoot cas. It doesn't much like 357's but does ok on .38's. Doesn't feed the long 357's very well.
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: DeaconKC on July 06, 2019, 09:48:38 AM
King, that's interesting. My .357 will feed any Magnum, but .38s have to have a bullet at least 140 grains for length.
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: King Medallion on July 07, 2019, 08:41:28 AM
Yeah, I don't shoot it, I got it for my mrs. It fit's her better, I added a couple inches lop on my 44-40. She is happy with it, so I'm good. (it's not a proper caliber for a 92, no dash in it ;))
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: Black River Smith on July 11, 2019, 12:02:46 PM
Thanks for the replies.  I have priced them at a gunshow and LGS.  Both are right at $500, for new.  Really do not see them used in my area so I truly will have to buy new and therefore will not get a chance at an octagon rifle version.
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: smokin6 on November 01, 2019, 01:43:23 AM
I like mine
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: Jeremiah Jones on November 01, 2019, 09:45:35 AM
I bought my .45/.454 Rossi 92 in 2007.  I replaced the safety with Steve's plug and put some Danish wood oil on the stock.  It looks great and feeds any .45/.454 ROUND nosed rounds with no problems.  It does have problems feeding wad cutters and the hollow points with bowl like fronts (I don't know a name for them).  RNHP are GTG.
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: Baltimore Ed on November 01, 2019, 04:32:38 PM
I wore my large loop 92 Rossi .45 out in one year of hard use. Returned it to interarms in va and got another with no questions which I immediately sold unfired and bought a used JM Marlin cowboy ltd .45. Still running it [2 broken firing pins and lifter with the dreaded marlin jam repair=repair has held up for over 15 years]. The Rossi was my first cas rifle and I?m SASS #11754 so that was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. So today?s Rossi 92 might be a better rifle. Marlins certainly have had good and bad years.
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: Pay Dirt Norvelle on November 01, 2019, 05:00:44 PM
I have a Rossi 92 in 45 Colt. It is one with the safety.  However, I bought it from Kiowa Jones and he slicked it up and disabled the safety. It is a great shooting lever rifle.
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: Lord Eoin MacKenzie on February 08, 2020, 12:50:35 PM
Do the Rossi 92's work with the 45CS ammo?   Or I get the 44mag and run 44spec.?
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: Coffinmaker on February 08, 2020, 02:25:04 PM
Lord Eoin,

Unfortunately NO.  None of the '92s will run with C45S cases.  '92s can be fickle.  A 44Mag '92 may .. or may not run 44 Special.  Some do and some don't.  Definitely will NOT run 44 Russian.

Some time back, I had a really really nice Navy Arms '92 made by Rossi (as far as I know) chambered for 45 Colt.  Absolutely refused to run 45 Schofield.  '92s be Fickle.
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: Major 2 on February 08, 2020, 02:56:39 PM
This may be worth every penny of my 2 cents ...
28 or so years I gave my first SASS match a try. I was hooked

My choice was a Stainless Rossi 92 in 45 or the Marlin 94 Classic also in 45 local CAS friendly LGS had both in stock to give a try.
At the end of the Day I bought the Fish gun. 
 , the Marlin gave way to the Uberti 73 in 44  I still have.

I sold the Marlin in 2003 and it is still in action in my friends hands.... A few years ago I bought a JM Marlin Classis limited in 32/20.



 
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: Black River Smith on May 28, 2020, 02:07:48 PM
Well it appears that I should have waited one whole year before buying a Rossi.  NOW the Rossi site and Buds Firearms have the R92 available in the 24" oct rifle configuration.  It is only in 357mag or 44mag all blues or stainless.  BUT I would have had the rifle configuration instead of the carbine.

DARN!
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: Lord Eoin MacKenzie on September 14, 2020, 03:49:36 AM
 I have a stainless M92 in 45colt,  Is it NWOCS legal?
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: Jeremiah Jones on September 14, 2020, 09:38:38 AM
Stupid question:  What is the difference in the Carbine and the Rifle with a 20" barrel?
I bought the rifle in .45/.454 with 20" barrel, back in 2007.  It is my go-to gun.
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: DeaconKC on September 14, 2020, 10:27:58 AM
Stupid question:  What is the difference in the Carbine and the Rifle with a 20" barrel?
I bought the rifle in .45/.454 with 20" barrel, back in 2007.  It is my go-to gun.

I think it is the shape of the buttstock.
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: Abilene on September 14, 2020, 11:33:59 AM
I think it is the shape of the buttstock.

For the most part, carbines have round barrel, different sights, forend with barrel band, and the flatter buttstock.
 
rifles are octagonal, dovetailed front sight, forend has nose cap, and crescent buttstock.

That is repro '92's.  Uberti '73 and '66 would be the same.  Some original guns had round barrels on rifles.
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: Black River Smith on September 14, 2020, 03:41:00 PM
Lord Eoin MacKenzie,

While I was a NCOWS member for 13yrs, I am not now.  But I think the fact that you firearm is an image of the 1892 Win. -- I believe it would be acceptable even though it is stainless.  Here is a link to the NCOWS Tally book, http://ncows.com/library/pdf/2020NCOWSTallyBook.pdf .  Go down to page 20 of the pdf for accepted firearms.  The copies of 1892's are acceptable.  No mention of blue versus stainless is mentioned.  I would double check your question up in the NCOWS section.
 
Abliene,

You are totally correct as far as what I deem the definitions of Rifles & Carbines are...  What most know as a Win 94 rifle nowadays is what was once referred to as the carbine version.  Octagon barreled with nosecaps and crescent buttplates long-guns were called Rifles.
 Most see these as only commemoratives nowadays.  The general all encompassing term for long-gun is 'Rifle'
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: greyhawk on September 14, 2020, 08:36:59 PM
For the most part, carbines have round barrel, different sights, forend with barrel band, and the flatter buttstock.
 
rifles are octagonal, dovetailed front sight, forend has nose cap, and crescent buttstock.

That is repro '92's.  Uberti '73 and '66 would be the same.  Some original guns had round barrels on rifles.

Most fellers I know would call a 20' rifle configuration lever gun a "short Rifle" (crescent buttplate + nosecap + dovetailed magazine hanger but carbine length barrel)
Where the carbine version (usually) has the flatter buttplate+forend band+front barrel band
Winchester in their day being almost a custom shop you proly coulda ordered almost any combination of the above that you felt inclined to.
 
(we have 2 uberti carbines that are 19inch) 
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: Froogal on November 27, 2020, 01:10:36 PM
I have a stainless M92 in 45colt,  Is it NWOCS legal?

The Rossi R92 in .45 Colt is what I shoot in NCOWS. Mine is not stainless, but why would that make any difference?

I HAVE been told that a lever action rifle chambered in .45 Colt did not exist in the time frame we are reenacting. The revolver, yes, but the not the rifle.

Still, no one has told me I can't, and there are several other members in our posse that shoot .45 Colt rifles, so I will continue.
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: Black River Smith on June 30, 2021, 03:14:18 PM
Well, after a two year desire, I did pickup a 44/40, SS, 24" rifle.  It is a  new/old stock -- LNIB -- unfired(IMO) firearm.  For what I consider, a good price.  I wanted a blue version but the stainless is growing on me.  After some cycling issues, which came down to -- my 'too weak a crimp' reloads -- this rifle cycles cartridges up to max OAL.

As Coffinmaker stated elsewhere, the rifle has burrs and sharp spots.  It puts longitudinal scratches in the brass from the loading port.  It cuts  the lead in two different spots.  I have one spot on the rightside of the frame, that I can see, (that is extra casting metal) causing one cut on the side of the lead.  The other is in the frame magazine hole or the magazine itself or the cartridge stop creating a rectangular dent or cut in the top of the lead.???

Cleaning and polishing and deburring -- is next up.

I really like it so far.  The wood to metal fit is great.  The frame bottom curvature/lines are very close to originals, not perfect, but definitely not like the new SRC I bought in 2019.  The maker was Taurus has the bolt flip safety F/S stamping but does not have Taurus's hammer safety.

The sights will have to go.  They are the plain bent -- straight cut metal and rivet base.  The front is just plain, also.  Looking at a Marble full buckhorn short sight.  Wish the new Rossi 'traditional sight' wasn't so costly, or I would go for it.  I will be making my own Winchester sporting front sight once I have a newly mounted rear sight.

The 38/40 alteration is looking like it will happen in the future, just not right away.  But, I am on my way to that desired 38/40 chambered 1892 designed rifle.   Still, would buy a Chiappa in 38/40 for its authentic looks, IF it ever came around but this is a starting point, for now.
Title: Re: May be interested in getting a Rossi 92 - so questions
Post by: Virginia Gentleman on November 06, 2021, 09:09:51 AM
I am looking too at the Rossi which I would like to get in .357 Mag/.38 Special.  It seems here and other sources I have checked seem to say that it is a good rifle for the money.  I am glad they have them with an octagon barrel as I want one of those over the round barrel.