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Special Interests - Groups & Societies => Uberti, Pietta and other SAA Clones => Topic started by: LonesomePigeon on January 22, 2017, 12:03:07 PM
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The Standard Manufacturing company is coming out with a new Colt SAA clone. Made in America, list price $1,499 - 1,699. Here's a link to a youtube video. Gun starts at about :40 and runs till about 3:15.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb1b84ORUsA
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Hey LP,
Please don't take this as a personal slam aimed at you. It Ain't. I'd just like to share, if I had the opportunity, I'd allow as to have the brainless clod who coined the term "Clone" hold up my Shotgun Patterning Target. I personally hate the term "clone." Were they real "Clones," they would be perfect copies of a declared iteration of Colt. They are reproductions of Colt. Most are a mix of all three generations of Colt. Did I mention I hate the term "Clone??" If I didn't, I meant to. Really.
I actually have as much dislike for the phrase "Period Correct." I'd like to shred that dude (or dudette) too.... The only period correct I have any affinity for is the period at the end of a sentence.
What does this have to do with the Topic brought to the fore by the OP you might ask. OK, got ahead ...... ASK!! Well, actually nothing. I just like to take the opportunity once in a while to whine about the over abused term "Clone." There. I'm done for today. Now .......
It will be interesting to see if the Standard Manufacturing SA actually makes it to market and at "target" price. However, if Standard brings an SA to market, at the price point suggested, good luck chuck. Pietta and Uberti are going to eat their collective lunch. Asking a retail price actually higher than the MSRP for a Colt (unobtainium) while having an unproven track record is im my estimation, a straight road to ruin. Standard is also going to offer yet another copy of the venerable 1911. Albeit, available in full CCH. I thought the example presented was stop traffic butimous. But will it sell???? And ....... Does it work??
Coffinmaker
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I was gonna say.... :-\ we'll see....
Coffin Maker "... It will be interesting to see if the Standard Manufacturing SA actually makes it to market and at "target" price. However, if Standard brings an SA to market, at the price point suggested, good luck chuck. Pietta and Uberti are going to eat their collective lunch. Asking a retail price actually higher than the MSRP for a Colt (unobtainium) while having an unproven track record is im my estimation, a straight road to ruin."
STI International gave it a go a few years ago , just got past several prototypes/early examples ...and YANK !
"a straight road to ruin ?" :-\ maybe , maybe not, but it's money pit that remains to be seen.
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...STI International gave it a go a few years ago , just got past several prototypes/early examples ...and YANK !
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True, but wasn't USFA still in production back then? There's a limited market of folks willing to spend the big bucks for a quality gun made in USA if it isn't a Colt. It will be interesting to see some in-depth reviews of this one to see how well made and how accurate the details are. Looks good in the video.
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Was that firing pin cut?
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Was that firing pin cut?
Looked a little like that to me, although I didn't try to pause the vid. If they were going to show that gun in the show, the firing pin would need to be removed, and cutting it like that is another option. Could be they wanted it to be obvious when shown that it does have a hammer-mounted pin and not a transfer bar.
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Looked a little like that to me, although I didn't try to pause the vid. If they were going to show that gun in the show, the firing pin would need to be removed, and cutting it like that is another option. Could be they wanted it to be obvious when shown that it does have a hammer-mounted pin and not a transfer bar.
I sure hope you're right.
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True, but wasn't USFA still in production back then? There's a limited market of folks willing to spend the big bucks for a quality gun made in USA if it isn't a Colt. It will be interesting to see some in-depth reviews of this one to see how well made and how accurate the details are. Looks good in the video.
It was, but with what turned out to be nails in it,s coffin present ...
point is @ $1,499 - 1,699 , I'd be looking at a Colt.
I'm very happy to see new interest in investing and manufacturing guns of the ERA we enjoy.
HRA, Winchester/Miruku, now perhaps Standard, very happy indeed.
I hope they can produce enough with the quality, to gain the respect , following, sales, and numbers they need to stay the course.
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Nice looking gun. But at that price point it is apt to wind up just like STI. Some prototypes will circulate and get reviewed but it will not be economically viable. If it goes into production will I buy one? No, I would buy a new or used Colt. When it comes time to sell it how many people associate a SAA with the word Standard? I hope it is a success but there is only a tiny market for a high end single action. And yes the firing pin in the video has clearly been cut off. As noted by Abilene the firing pins have to be removed from guns shown at the Shot Show. I bought a gun at the end of the Shot Show one year and the manufacturer had to mail me a new firing pin.
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Pettifogger wrote:
..." If it goes into production will I buy one? No, I would buy a new or used Colt. "
exactamundo
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Yee Gadds.
I'm even worse than Pettifogger. NO. I wouldn't rush out and buy one. I'd go get two nice new STAINLESS Pietta's. And a Partridge inna Pear Tree .. Tee Hee.
There is only one other Caveat: Will it have a nice new Coil Main Spring and Coil and Plunger hand spring?? If not .... why bother.
Coffinmaker
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Coffinmaker, no offense taken about the word "clone". I am keeping an open mind about these Standard's. If they are really well made and available for immediate shipping I would consider buying one.
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When you could buy a Colt?
Something with an actual history and desireability in the collecting world?
Might as well buy a USFA with Italian parts.
Scouts Out!
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Whoah there St George!!
Where you gonna find a New Colt??
What actual "History" ?? A new colt has no "History" and is just another pretty face. Desirability in the collecting world requires provenance of some form of Historical nature. None of us are going to live long enough for a "new" colt to have "collectability." An inflated price tag based on a name .. yes. True collectability?? Meh.
ABSOLUTELY. Couldn't agree more. Or TWO nice stainless Pietta's for double your trouble and double your fun.
Coffinmaker
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Here is a link to a post on the Colt forum that alleges a connection to USFA:
http://www.coltforum.com/forums/single-action-army/187553-new-clone-replica-looks-interesting-3.html
"Well I had been hesitant to mention these but here goes. Saw these at Shot and then two weeks ago at SCI. CMSC acquired most of the USFA machinery when Doug shut down. They were probably 10 miles apart (with Colt halfway between). CSMC set up Standard for their gun projects outside of their M21, Fox, RBL, A10 etc. they are now making ARs (with expertise from the turmoil at Stag Arms (same town), m1911s, and SAAs (which are quite nice in person) made on the old USFA machinery and to their old specs. Doug did some setup consulting for Tony to get them started but they soon parted ways. The SAAs seemed quite nice. I did not shoot them but closely inspected 4 or 5. The ARs and 1911s seemed rather pedestrian but I think that is their target market. I did tell them that although the SAA guns looked very, very nice, they were priced $2-300 to high. I do know the Colt guys were very curious about this development."
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Well Now ........ 8) Perhaps the Thick Plottens ...... Just may come to pass, we know where USFA's machine tools went. Interestinger and Interestinger. Ummmmmmmm. ::)
Let us suppose there is a modicum of facts in this tidbit. Let us suppose, this "new kid" on the block utilizes USFA machinery to bring another reproduction to the market. Let us also suppose the "new folks" maintain the predecessor's attention to detail and quality. We could well have a real nice, well made SA back in the market place. Stranger things have happened. :o
We can all agree (I think) the USFA was an extremely well made piece of kit. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing the gun come back from Dough Dough land. Going to be a rough road to hoe though. They will still be re-entering a limited market place, at a high price with no established history. If they (the new guys) don't get it right the first time, I doubt there would be a second chance. :P
Coffinmaker
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Again, I agree, for them to make a dent in the high end SAA domestic market, they need to be cheaper than Colt, otherwise, they will not survive. STI made a prototype SAA, but realized they could not make it at a price to compete and subsequently they abandoned the project.
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It is now up on their website, here's the link. Priced at $1,399, available in .45colt only and 4 3/4", 5 1/2" and 7 1/2" barrel length.
http://www.stdgun.com/saa-revolver/
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I wish them luck, but it is going to be hard for them to compete on both ends of the market.
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It is now up on their website, here's the link. Priced at $1,399, available in .45colt only and 4 3/4", 5 1/2" and 7 1/2" barrel length.
http://www.stdgun.com/saa-revolver/
Is that barrel not tapered? ???
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You never know .
Look at the USFA SAA Now sell for as much and even more then a Colt.
There is room in the game for a Nice American Made SAA.
I would love to have a nice pair of USFA's .
But I already have a Colt .
I would NEVER buy a CLONE for more money then a Original.
Just sayin
Rooster .
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I'll stay with my Ubertis for a third of the price, thank you very much.
;D
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Hi. Checked the site again today. New pics are up. It's a different gun. Price has gone up too, now at $1,595. Looks very nice IMHO.
http://www.stdgun.com/saa-revolver/
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That is one nice looking sixgun.
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Welp.... I haven't seen one in the wild yet....anybody else ?
I gonna have see them trickling out into the shooters hands....
Grand Idea meets wishful thinking add in gullible consumer and a fool and his money and you get
memory alone congers up.... Fletcher Bidwell , Bren 10 (and again) , the Flat Rock Merwin Hubert debacle.
Add in some short lived STI .....
and you have the ingredients for bowl full of NOPE !
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Major 2,
At best, I've heard some rustling in the bushes and some faint movement of the under-growth. I have not seen any live examples of the critter. It's rumored Big Foot may have one on test. It remains as illusive as the fabled Unicorn.
And at a market exchange ratio of 3 for one (Three GW II for ONE of those) I think smart money is on the Pietta. The rumored "Standard" offering is on "maybe" offer for stupid money.
Coffinmaker
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They said at SHOT Show they hope to have them available by November of 2017 so they aren't behind schedule yet. The gun that is on their website now is different than the one that was up a couple months ago. It seems to have a 3 digit serial number too.
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I rec’d an email today from Standard Manufacturing announcing that their SAA reproductions are now available for immediate shipment.
Checked their website and it says the same thing.
Anybody seen one yet?
Has anyone posted or published a review?
$1895.00 + $40 shipping.
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Welp...you could be the first on your block...board , State ? ;)
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Found a review from Guns and Ammo dated June, 2018.
http://www.gunsandammo.com/handguns/review-standard-manufacturing-sa-revolver-engraved/
It contains a couple of discrepancies when compared to the Standard Mfg current website and today’s email announcement.
First one is the price. G&A lists the engraved version at $2000 and the standard version at $1595, vs current lis price of $2450 for the engraved version and $1895 not engraved.
The other discrepancy that I saw is one of the photos clearly shows a modern type (concave) firing pin vs the website and announcement which states that the firing pin is cone type. I hope this is the case.
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I saved pictures of the gun Standard had on their website prior to today's announcement. The gun that was on their site before is different than the one on there now. Besides the cone firing pin it looks like they have changed the front site, the new front site has a better profile in my opinion.
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Good for them! Thats farther than most of these rumors make it. If they can land a contract with lipseys or bass pro id say we have something.
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Ah My Dear Netizens -
another vendor has (finally) entered the fray with more than announcements, smoke, mirrors, cgi photoshopped images, and one or two prototypes.
plusses:
- Welllllll, at least they finally came out with it.
- it showed up not too far off from the announced timeframe
- the pictures look verrrrry pretty
- gunrag reviews are beyond glowing (what else?)
- photos on THEIR webpage show screwslots all aligned- aka "timed" or "clocked" screws ( love to see that happen in production)
minusses:
- photos on THEIR webpage seem show poor grip-to-metal fit
- price increases from ~ $1500 (announced) to $1900 plus shipping, plus, plus plus....,
- none are even in the wild yet, nobody has seen any on the shelves anywhere
- they do not appear to be "for sale" , they appear to be "taking orders"
Call me grumpy, but When they show up on Bud's or the LGS, then I'll believe it.
--- "As a special introductory and limited time offer, we are providing a lifetime warranty on these Single Action Revolvers"
oh, that smacks of Marketeer BS and Ronco Talk!
"Step Right Up, buy it now and we'll throw in absolutely free- for a limited time"
either you provide a decent warranty , now and forever, or you don't.
last, I was just at the LGS and was drooling over the cavalry length laser engraved Italians for less than $700 out the door....
that buys me TWO pistolas and still have over $500 to spend on , oh I don't know, food?
or one pistol and replace the furnace?
(Or I can skip the engraving and have any caliber and barrel length , cased & blued for under $400 each .... just saying...)
Oddly, I really don't feel deprived "just because" I'm shooting my Italian CapGuns or 1873's .
yhs
prof marvel
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Nail squarely hit on the head , Professor ....
I'm of the opinion " 'Fool me once, shame on you, (the Fletcher Bidwell Spencer & the great Merwin Hurbert scam )
fool me twice, shame on me'
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I really don't want to get into a really long wordy dissertation (yes I do) as the Perfesser and Majr 2 have already said everything I could and the Perfesser were much more eloquent that I (for the most part). I do however, have a couple of CAVEAT(s).
There is no indication of improvement to Coil Spring and Plunger for the hand.
The conical firing pin is of no benefit over a concave taper firing pin.
There is no indication of improvement with a Hard Bushing in the recoil shield.
There is no indication of an improvement in the Main Spring (Coil ??)
They (Mfgr) claim precision. OK, Show Me.
It would appear the new kids on the block have actually found a more expensive way to make an SA than Donnally did. Amazing.
No way they are going to amortize their stat up costs. Underwhelmed am I. Also opinionated !!
Oh, almost forgot. If your inclined to write a check for one of these, I suggest you write the check to ME. That way one of us will be happy ::)
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I'll split it with you.... then 2 out of three are happy ...and 2 out 3 ain't bad !
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Still looking at three times what I just paid for the last Cimarron that has the Bone and Charcoal CC, upgraded wood grips, my custom serial number.
Sure someone can say they have things like hardened bushing in the frame, the barrel and cylinder may or may not be better quality of steel but the point I would make is I have some of the Cimarron/Ubertis with many thousands of rounds through them and these things or lack of are not a problem so I'll never wear out three to make up the price of these supposedly superior revolvers.
What I can't understand is with todays CNC technology making the parts and even considering a quality difference in steel and some special hand fitting why these US manufactures think they can justify charging those prices.
I am a knifemaker and buy some of the highest end most expensive USA made blade steels available and based on weight the entire amount of the best quality carbon steel required to make a SAA is less than 100 bucks.
I know some do but I don't and never will consider USFA, recent production Colt, or any other modern manufactured SAA to be collectable for investment purposes. They are a tool and just as collectable as any other modern day firearms but nothing that can be considered a real investment in our lifetimes. Especially when they are already asking those prices as new.
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So just out of curiosity I just check supplier and a block of 4140 large enough to mill out about two frames and grips and a bar large enough to make two 5 1/2 inch barrels winds up costing around 36 dollars so they are spending about 18 dollars on the steel itself. Yet people will claim steel quality between Uberti and them, being Colt or whoever, is one of the reasons why they cost so much.
Using CNC machining on most parts cost no more in the US than it does for Uberti in Italy. Add in a couple steps and some hand fitting and action work along with real CCH there is no reason why they should cost more than three or four hundred more than a standard Uberti. Anything over that is markup gambling on what the market will bear. Colt could sell a high quality SAA for half of what they do and sell a large amount of them. I haven't understood Colts financial situation and why they are too lazy and greedy to make and sell one of their most iconic firearms while the italians are shipping them over here by the shiploads.
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Well Sir Cliff,
Were you expecting an argument, you'll be some disappointed. Not gonna Happen. I refused for years to buy a "High End" SA for the reasons you mention plus a couple of gripes of my own. I don't want to start down the Colt trail as I have had heartburn with Colt forever. And .... Colt has gone Dodo. Will not be missed.
But, just highlight what Cliff has said, just take a hard look at the Pietta built Great Western II. Made with CNC machining with a commonality of parts some others can only dream about. Spending the bucks for an unimproved Replicant of a 145 year old design and charging an Arm and Leg for it .... is just a RIP OFF!!
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Couldn't disagree with you guys more...but I ain't gonna fight about it.
You do what you want and I'll do the same. And no, I'm not buying a Standard Manufacturing gun - yet. If they bring out a blackpowder frame model I'll probably be the first in line. (smile)
Dave
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Couldn't disagree with you guys more...but I ain't gonna fight about it.
You do what you want and I'll do the same. And no, I'm not buying a Standard Manufacturing gun - yet. If they bring out a blackpowder frame model I'll probably be the first in line. (smile)
Dave
Ah My Good Dave -
Not really a "fight" as it were..... More a lively discussion and grump session .
Everyone has their own style and somewhat fixed ideas on "how much" they are willing to pay for anything,
And what items They can afford and what exactly they are willing to spend it on.
Some folks prefer a Rolex for example, and some prefer a Seiko or even a Timex.
Some folks can and will blow good money on jewel encrusted Swiss designer watches.
( que Paul Simon's "diamonds on the soles of her shoes". ... Lol )
They all keep good time.
For some folks , what with bills, surprise vehicle or medical costs, and, well eating regularly...
A Rolex is never gonna happen.
For cheap barstichez frugal individuals like myself, I prefer Seiko ....if I ever lost or broke a Rolex, I would be
Beside Myself... And then you would be stuck with two of me >:(
And then whilst we are awaiting the next opportunity to go make smoke, us hivernaughts have to complain wax eloquent chat about something to stave off the boredom. God forbid we get stuck yelling at daytime TV...
Yhs
Prof mumbles+
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Wow! timely at least!!
I've just had THE most frustrating day in the shop in years!!!! Whole day wasted!!! All because of a 2nd Gen Dragoon!! I've grown so tired of the " Colt" stigma that I am at the point of no more work on Colt 2nd gen or Sig series "Colt" revolvers!!!!!!!! Those and anything 1970's/80's !!!! Such a waste of time!!!! Soft wedges, 70's parts, just isn't it worth the time!!!! AAAAAAAAAAARG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No bigger pieces of excrement than that vintage of "stuff"!!!!!!
Just sent out a remarkable pair of Piettas and Uberti's last week/this week only to be blindsided by a freekin Colt of unfreeking believable substandard quality that I'd be ashamed to say it's " a Colt!" !!
Ok, I'm almost over it . . . . .
Professor, I prefer Rolex, just waiting to get my first one!!! ;D
Mike
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Wow! timely at least!!
I've just had THE most frustrating day in the shop in years!!!! Whole day wasted!!! All because of a 2nd Gen Dragoon!! I've grown so tired of the " Colt" stigma that I am at the point of no more work on Colt 2nd gen or Sig series "Colt" revolvers!!!!!!!! Those and anything 1970's/80's !!!! Such a waste of time!!!! Soft wedges, 70's parts, just isn't it worth the time!!!! AAAAAAAAAAARG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No bigger pieces of excrement than that vintage of "stuff"!!!!!!
Just sent out a remarkable pair of Piettas and Uberti's last week/this week only to be blindsided by a freekin Colt of unfreeking believable substandard quality that I'd be ashamed to say it's " a Colt!" !!
Ok, I'm almost over it . . . . .
Professor, I prefer Rolex, just waiting to get my first one!!! ;D
Mike
Ah My dear Mike
I preferred the Hasselblad, but that never happened either...
Is it possible to just replace all the Colt Dragoon guts with Uberti guts?
Cuxstomer might choke on the price, tho...
Back to the topic of the new Standard SAA...
Has anybody touched one yet?
Yhs Prof ( damn you autocorrect!)
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Prof,
Over on ColtForum.com there's a fellow who owns #5 and he has actually shot it. Target he posted had nice groups at 20 yards. He says everything on the gun is perfect...fit, finish, action, even the stocks. He's also posted a number of close up photos of his Standard SAA.
Dave
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Prof,
Over on ColtForum.com there's a fellow who owns #5 and he has actually shot it. Target he posted had nice groups at 20 yards. He says everything on the gun is perfect...fit, finish, action, even the stocks. He's also posted a number of close up photos of his Standard SAA.
Dave
Oh Snap! thanks Dave!
I will get myself over there and check out his posts.
I had been lusting after and saving for a USFA until the owner went stupid they went under ...
in between, the Italian quality was improving .....
maybe, just maybe, if I fall into $2k after I pay for a new furnace, kitchen and master bath upgrade, and a new subaru....
or maybe i'll win the friggin lottery ....
more likely i'll buy a pietta ....
yhs
prof mvl
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45 Dragoon ....
Well, for years, Every time I mention or try to explain the Second Generation or Signature Series Cap Guns sold by Colt, the die-hard Coltistas come out of the wood work, hopping up and down and yelling loudly about how those guns are "Real Colts." Nope. They are built from Uberti parts. All of them. Beautifully finished and carefully assembled Uberti Parts. With ALL of the usual foibles of Uberti built Open Top guns. Bad Barrel to Arbor Fit begins the problems. I have been constantly chastised bu the Coltistas that those guns are Real Colts, even though they were built by contractors, from Uberti parts. Just as an addendum. I will no longer work on Second Gen nor Signature series guns. Just not worth the aggravation.
Now, I have no personal hands on experience with the "New" Standard Single Action. The only concrete information I have is that is where all the machine tools from USFA went. That being the case ..... anyone want to bet Uberti Parts will interchange, just like they did with USFA??
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Dave T, can't find the post you mention on the Colt Forum. Where can I find it?
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Here ya go.
[https://www.coltforum.com/forums/reloading-range-reports/341883-standard-sa-first-range-trip-w-target-pics.html]
There's also a thread in "The Lounge" section with pictures of his brand new gun.
Dave
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Didn't see a word about him shooting the only true Keith # 5 on the planet. Got a link for that??
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Here ya go.
[https://www.coltforum.com/forums/reloading-range-reports/341883-standard-sa-first-range-trip-w-target-pics.html]
There's also a thread in "The Lounge" section with pictures of his brand new gun.
Dave
Thank you Dave, that makes it easier!
Oh Look, Yahoody is over there!
Hi Yahoody!
hmmmmm
is it me or did Yahoody's Uberti shoot better groups?
yhs
prof marvel
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Coffinmaker, Professor Marvel
Totally agree and I'll bet your right on the parts interchange thingy with the new S.A.'s.! Professor, you're probably right about the "new parts" but (Coffinmaker can probably understand this bit of insanity . . . ) you get all the way down the road of "this time they'll work out fine . . ." only to have "other" parts that (aren't normally a problem) turn out to be Krap!!! This time it was the wedge!! The one with the ser. no. on it . . . . the one thing the customer will probably have a fit if it is replaced! So, while correcting the arbor situation, the wedge starts deforming like it's Aluminum!! I remove the spring, straighten out the wedge, harden the freekin thing, re-install the spring. Happens again . . . . tools fly in the shop !!!! (Just kidding!! Lol!! Can't afford that kind-a stuff!!). Longer story short, I finish my plug install (I use single plugs now, not shim stacks) with deformed wedge. Today, I install a new (previously hardened by me) Uberti wedge, set the barrel/cyl clearance to .003" (no tighter with the Krap Colt cyl runout ;D) and tape the "original Colt" wedge to the tag to send back to customer!! Sheeeesh!!!!
I have one more C.2 nd gen and I think that will be my last. Coulda done 2 Uberti's or Piettas in the time spent on this. . . . .
Time for a little Coconut Rum in some Pineapple juice . . . . .
Mike
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Didn't see a word about him shooting the only true Keith # 5 on the planet. Got a link for that??
I'd be happy to answer your question if I only had some clue what on earth you're talking about.
Dave
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Damn....I feel like I just walked into beauty parlor full of gossipy women! ;D
Instead of speculating the how's, when's, where's, and why's just go read for yourself-
http://www.stdgun.com/single-action-revolver-1/
Make sure you read the FAQ's that answer most questions, or in some cases accusations, about this revolver.
Those of you think it should be cheap to build a revolver like this really need some economics basics. (I mean really... $36 for a couple of piece of 4140???)
Things to consider-
They have buildings to pay for and maintain.
They have machinery to pay for and maintain.
They have skilled employees, who in that part of the country may very well be UAW members, for whom they must provide wages and benefits.
They have accountants, office help, et al to pay.
Right or wrong, the company is in the part of the country with unarguably the highest taxes, property taxes, federal taxes, etc. that have to be paid.
And if the owner (s) aren't making money, they'll lose interest soon.
In other words lots of overhead.
This revolver should fill a small niche left open when USFA went "tit's up". You won't find a more ardent Uberti proponent than I (I own eight), but they shouldn't be compared to Uberti's. Of course for shooting trash can lid size targets with "pffft......tink" loads, they'll be no better than the Uberti's. But for a genuinely well crafted revolver made of good metal they should last. I want that ONE revolver that I can pass down and hope someday my great-grandson will have a revolver that oozes quality and beauty.
So a Standard Manufacturing revolver is definitely in my future, I'd say in no more than 12 months.
CHT
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Companies DON’T pay taxes! Always kills me when I hear that. The last guy in line pays everybody’s taxes.
Pardon me, Soapbox off.
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Companies DON’T pay taxes! Always kills me when I hear that. The last guy in line pays everybody’s taxes.
Pardon me, Soapbox off.
So....how many times now have you died and when did companies stop paying taxes?
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Of course for shooting trash can lid size targets with "pffft......tink" loads,
ROTFLMAO! That's the best description for what is often the current state of cowboy action shooting I've seen. Thanks for the Saturday morning smile.
Dave
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So....how many times now have you died and when did companies stop paying taxes?
I believe Ed is pointing out that every business simply adds ALL of their costs into the sticker price. including tax.
unlike the consumer, who has no one to pass the tax costs on to.
thus his point
....... The last guy in line pays everybody’s taxes. ......
but i do agree, that the cost of raw materials has very little to do with sticker price in these cases.
yhs
prof marvel
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I loved reading all the posts about this new SAA. I've watched all the youtube videos also. I purchased one of the Standard engraved 1911's that were genuine CCH. The "engraving" was the worst laser burnt garbage I have ever seen. However the CCH is beautiful and it's the best fitted and best shooting 1911 I have owned, no regrets getting it at all.
Now back to the SAA. I worried about spending so much money on one and was afraid that if I did, once it got in my hands would I regret it knowing full well I could have had 4 new Uberti's? So with 8 Uberti's already in my gun safe and struggling with the process of deciding what I wanted. I called Standard with a number of questions and Lo and Behold they will not take any more orders for SAA.
I called twice to get the same information, no more orders they have sold out, now have a backlog, will make no more SAA's till maybe Oct or Sept. The sales lady said call back next month to see if I can order one then.
So they didn't make enough? Hired former Colt workers and management. Sounds like they are using the same Colt model of production too. So maybe I should not worry and stick with my Uberti's. At least when I want one, all I got to do is call and have one in a few days. Or better yet try and buy a Colt.
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So they didn't make enough? Hired former Colt workers and management. Sounds like they are using the same Colt model of production too. So maybe I should not worry and stick with my Uberti's. At least when I want one, all I got to do is call and have one in a few days. Or better yet try and buy a Colt.
Someone on the Colt forum spoke with Standard a few weeks ago and were told that they had produced 1000 units, sold out and had suspended production and stopped taking orders for now. You can find the post by going to the Colt forum and listening for the sound of cackling hens.
If I'm not mistaken, Colt is down to producing a few dozen SA's per month. Folks are sending their money and having to wait months, or more, for their revolver.
CHT
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Yo CHT :D
I have had occasion of late to speak with a couple of folks whom are suppose to be "in the know." Best information on the street at this juncture is ....... Colt isn't producing and SAA. None. Nada. Zip (whoops bad choice wurd). There is no "Custom Shop" any more, the previous Custom Shop Foreman has needed a new resume. To further improve market share, Colt sold off ALL their stock parts. Any "new" Colt that is being found is actually "New - Old Stock" having been squirreled away to capitalize on inflating prices. As far as the SAA goes, Colt is just as Dodo as USFA.
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Baretta/Uberti didn't buy the Colt Moniker just for grins and giggles. Although Uberti has taken steps most recent that won't contribute at all to their bottom line nor market share.
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Yo CHT :D
I have had occasion of late to speak with a couple of folks whom are suppose to be "in the know." Best information on the street at this juncture is ....... Colt isn't producing and SAA. None. Nada. Zip (whoops bad choice wurd). There is no "Custom Shop" any more, the previous Custom Shop Foreman has needed a new resume. To further improve market share, Colt sold off ALL their stock parts. Any "new" Colt that is being found is actually "New - Old Stock" having been squirreled away to capitalize on inflating prices. As far as the SAA goes, Colt is just as Dodo as USFA.
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Baretta/Uberti didn't buy the Colt Moniker just for grins and giggles. Although Uberti has taken steps most recent that won't contribute at all to their bottom line nor market share.
Wouldn't it be funny.....or some other appropriate adjective, if someone bought rights to the Colt name? Wonder if they'd sell or would they be nit...picked....to....death, like Standard's?
Thanks for the info.
CHT
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"... Someone on the Colt forum spoke with Standard a few weeks ago and were told that they had produced 1000 units, sold out and had suspended production and stopped taking orders for now "
imagine that ! another wishful SAA made of Unobtanium ....don't hold your breath :-X
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I took delivery of my Standard today. I don't have a Colt produced in the last few years to compare it to, but it easily trumps the one I bought new in 2010. Standard has experienced some start-up difficulties and, in my opinion, has spent a good deal of time re-working a lot of their guns to correct a few nit-picking problems before they started shipping them out. I couldn't be happier with mine, but I ordered it the day after they announced full production. I received it almost two months later, and mine is only serial number 54. So Standard may be backlogged for a little bit, but you should keep watch for whenever they resume taking orders. In my opinion, these are equal in quality to the all USA-made USFA's. I'm sure they'll resume taking orders before too long. And your wait time will be much shorter than with Colt.
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I took delivery of my Standard today. I don't have a Colt produced in the last few years to compare it to, but it easily trumps the one I bought new in 2010. Standard has experienced some start-up difficulties and, in my opinion, has spent a good deal of time re-working a lot of their guns to correct a few nit-picking problems before they started shipping them out. I couldn't be happier with mine, but I ordered it the day after they announced full production. I received it almost two months later, and mine is only serial number 54. So Standard may be backlogged for a little bit, but you should keep watch for whenever they resume taking orders. In my opinion, these are equal in quality to the all USA-made USFA's. I'm sure they'll resume taking orders before too long. And your wait time will be much shorter than with Colt.
Great news and I'm glad you like it. If they really have already shipped 1,000, then they must have the ball rolling pretty good!
Pictures, range reports, etc. would be appreciated.
CHT
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I asked and they stated the SAA's have a 2400 series Clear GunKote applied to the color case hardening on the frame. That process should really bring out the colors and also give a little more protection to it from scratches and rust prevention. I noticed it (Clear coat) on my 1911 and it really makes it so glossy and beautiful.
I'll wait it out and try to get one in the next go round, and maybe they will have the peening of the firing pin solved with a recoil plate and pin upgrade? I will definitely keep trying.
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I asked and they stated the SAA's have a 2400 series Clear GunKote applied to the color case hardening on the frame. That process should really bring out the colors and also give a little more protection to it from scratches and rust prevention. I noticed it (Clear coat) on my 1911 and it really makes it so glossy and beautiful.
I'll wait it out and try to get one in the next go round, and maybe they will have the peening of the firing pin solved with a recoil plate and pin upgrade? I will definitely keep trying.
Classic Guns puts a clear coat finish on the case coloring of the Cimarron US finish guns and have also done it on the few pieces I've sent them to have CCH. I guess it's to protect it but it does make the colors stand out.
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Classic Guns puts a clear coat finish on the case coloring of the Cimarron US finish guns and have also done it on the few pieces I've sent them to have CCH. I guess it's to protect it but it does make the colors stand out.
I called Cimarron and they said call John at Classic Guns to get my SAA's CCH'd. So that now becomes an option to consider on my next purchase.
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I have often thought of sending a gun to Classic Guns for color case hardening. What is the normal turn around time for one or two guns?
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I've done about 5 SA's at Classic the last 3 years. Send them a stripped, polished frame and its usually back in two weeks. I cant think of a time it hasn't been
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Sack ....
Haven't been .... what?? :o
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I can think of a time when it hasn’t been.
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Walllll'--IMO the Standard looks, sounds like a nice 'hogleg', (maybe) equal to a fine Colt or even a USFA (saw one once at a gun show), but I can get along fine with my two Ruger Vaquero's and my EMF 'Jager' 45 Colts-- ifin weez talking '73 Colt type SA's. "But" if I was gonna go out and drop two grand (dats $2000 greenbacka' dollars), I'd buy another 6" blued Colt Python. A lot prettier and dem guns just makes my tongue hard. Paid $300 NIB for my first back in '79, five times that for my second a few years back, and now a nice one that isn't beat ranges $2-2.5 thou. Seen some 3plus, NIB's 4-6. A low number three digit 50's safe queen Python if I recall sold for around 7 G's not long ago. Shoulda' bought a pallet of em 35-40 years ago. Now there's collector stuff in our lifetime.
Back from shide-polin' the post---Hope Standard is successful in their endeavor. :)