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CAS TOPICS => The Longbranch => Topic started by: Major 2 on October 02, 2022, 08:46:26 AM
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John Saffran just drew up a stage for 22 Cal. CAP "Cowboy Action Plinking" :) I coined the name ;D
I had advocated for a 22 Cal. NCOWS class during the pandemic, as reloading supplies were unobtanium, less you spent a kidney: :) and even then, tough to find.
The general consciences were negative, but in the aftermath, I still think the idea has merit.
22 Gallery shooting was all the rage in the 1890-1920's every carnival, circus and boardwalk had one.
Disney World had 3 in the 1980's.
Sadly, they were replaced with electronic shooting gallery's and now due to politics and political correctness and liabilities they are history.
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:) All Righty Dighty Now ;)
What a grand idea and what a shame. I think "Cowboy Action Plinking" is a great idea and could very well have a place. It would fall under the umbrella of FUN!!
Sadly, I do remember as a Child (yes, I really was a Child once), attending the local county fairs, and even the Ringling Bros - Barnum and Bailey Circus (came to town on the TRAIN!!). In all of those venues, the Midway had at least one Shooting Gallery, usually two or three. Gallery pump rifles and impossible targets (push backs) yet quite FUN!! I waisted countless 50cent pieces trying to win that Nickel Plate Coach Gun. Sad, really sad to see the shooting galleries go away. Boo Hiss
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:) All Righty Dighty Now ;)
Sadly, I do remember as a Child (yes, I really was a Child once)
Who was in the White House ? .... Wilson ? ;D
It was Truman for me :o
I think CAP could be a thing.
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There is the thing....
Rifles . Levers, Bolts or Pump 22 Cal. short, long or long Rifle ... NO Semi-auto or 22mag.
Revolvers - Single or Double action (shot as a single action) ... NO Semi- auto or magazine fed...NO 22mag (however Revolvers with duel Cyl. 22 -22 Mag may be used in 22 S L or LR only)
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Ruger Single Six, Heritage Arms, Diamondback, Chiappa etc.
Recommended no High Valicity 22 ammo
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Fun idea. Blue River Regulators already has something similar on the local Posse level.
I think that was the main gist, - NCOWS is already top heavy in official shooting categories, there has been a reluctance to pile on additional officially sanctioned categories when individual clubs have the leeway to add any categories they want on their local matches. In fact encouraged.
It helps keep paperwork at awards time down to the minimum, and does not get hijacked by the "must be three entered in a category" rule.
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I like it, the cas version of the Rimfire Steel Challenge but with smaller targets. I’ll play. Should be fun. Never went to the circus as a kid and only one md state fair then I think. Have gone to the nc fair and a Barnum and Bailey circus with friends and our kids. They had homeless guys running the rides I think. At least as scruffy as they looked they could have been. I think nc has cleaned the fair up somewhat now. Never gone back.
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I would venture everyone within our reading circle already has the guns... :-\
I know Johhny McCrae does, another buddy has also.
I have the earlier (Coffee board) mentioned H&R 999 and a Mod. 62 pump takedown, and close to 5000 rounds of 22 LR.
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I believe this would also be a great way to introduce young folks (back) into the shooting sports. Also help teach them firearms safety, cleaning and maintenance.
My best,
Blair
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Maybe a more or less "informal" get together. Still supervised for safety reasons, but no one keeps score. Kind of a "run whatcha brung" as long as it is a .22 cowboy style revolver.
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Pretty much, more for ACCURACY than time, though time can be used if you wish.
Here is another target Johnny made up, he has made several :)
It was for two pistols, but it could host a pistol & a rifle instead
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Back in Wisconsin, weather permitting, the outdoor shooting season runs from April through November. I can’t remember when we shot an April match. It gets to be a long winter so around ten years ago a group of Range Officers from a local SASS Club started to hold Indoor Cowboy Action Matches. An indoor match is held in December, January, February and March.
Back in Wisconsin we shoot these indoor matches at a local Indoor range and rent the entire range after hours on a Saturday night. This range consists of ten individual shooting stations with range distances of seven to twenty five yards. Each shooting station has a tray to stage firearms on. We start shooting at 6:15 PM and easily finish in two hours.
We shoot three “SAA Pistol only”, three “Rifle only” and one stage using only a “1911 Pistol”. In our February match we introduced a “Bonus only” stage. For safety reasons at this range, holstering is not allowed and all firearms remain cased until the shooter is in the shooting station. Each bonus is two second and each miss is five seconds. A procedural penalty is ten seconds.
The stages and score sheets are generated with a free program called Libre Office using the Drawing section. A stage generated in LIBRE Office Drawing can be converted into a PDF or JPEG file for convenience of printing at a commercial printer.
The targets are printed in black and white on 11” x 17” sheets of plain bond paper. A red label is used for the bonus shots to eliminate having to print in color. We have tried several methods for the targets and find printing them on 11” x 17” sheets is the easiest and most economical way to go.
A typical Pistol stage is shot as follows. When called, the shooter brings their Pistols to the shooting station cased. He un-cases them and places them on the shooting station tray with the muzzles pointing down range. He loads each Pistol with five rounds each, hammer down on an empty chamber. A shooter can also load at an adjacent shooting station and when called, carry his firearms to the firing station with the muzzles up. The starting position is with the shooter’s hands at their sides. At the beep, the shooter picks up his first Pistol and begins to shoot the prescribed stage. After the five rounds are shot, the Pistol is re-staged on the tray. The shooter picks up the second Pistol and continues to shoot the stage. After the five rounds are shot, the Pistol is re-staged on the tray. The target is retrieved and scored. After the target is scored, the shooter unloads his Pistols and shows clear to the Timer Operator. He then cases his Pistols and may leave the shooting station. A new set of targets is stapled to the cardboard backing and the next shooter is called to the shooting station. The scoring of a stage is very easy to do and spotters are not needed.
The Rifle stages are shot in a similar manner except the Rifle is loaded with ten rounds and the starting position is at Cowboy port arms. For a 1911 stage, the Pistol is staged on the tray with the action open and empty. Three magazines with five rounds each are also staged on the tray.
Major 2 posted some typical stages that we shot thru the years. Attached a few more typical stages.
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;D I'm ready to go! Got a Henry lever gun and a couple of Heritage revolvers!
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Attached is a target and an example of how a typical stage is scored. No need for a spotter.
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Several clubs in our area have what is called an "open" class and 22's are usually what is shot in it.
wM1
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I like this idea! We have bunch of 1/4 scale steel knock-down targets we can use, too. This should be fun!
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KVC does a 22 shoot. It also draws in 4H western shooters. Good time, except for getting schooled by younguns.
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Attached is a stage I wrote to fit our local range. We place a wood target stand anywhere from 5 yards to 25 yards. Paper targets are then stapled to the target stand. You normally shoot from your own individual bay. For this stage, you shoot from two individual bays. The stages I've posted can be shot with any Cowboy caliber.
I have developed Arthritis in my shooting (right) hand, and don't feel comfortable shooting CAS matches anymore. Also, my left eye has become much stronger than my right eye. I've been training myself to shoot left-handed. I bought a Henry Repeating Arms lever action Rifle in .22 caliber. This works well along with my Hi-Standard .22 Revolver in making the transition to shooting left-handed. Father Time is starting to catch up to me and this is a way to stay involved in Cowboy Action style shooting.
Major 2 and I plan on shooting this in the not too distant future.
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I don't own any "cowboy" .22's. Just a buckmark semi-auto, a Diamondback DA revolver, and a Remington pump rifle that was my brother's. But a lot of people do, so have fun!
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According to the proposed rules the Diamond Back would be legal, shot single action. Pump rifles are "CC" (cowboy correct) I believe.
PS; The word we want is "niche".
PS2; If you were using an outdoor range, a .410 shotgun stage would fit. I have seen a "Buckaroo" class for young shooters at a regular local match. One .22 pistol, a .22 levergun or pump, and a double or pump .410. I'm sure 20 or 28 would do, if the kid was strong enough (At the match I first saw this, one kid used a double .410 with handloads in .444 Marlin cases!)
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According to the proposed rules the Diamond Back would be legal, shot single action. Pump rifles are "CC" (cowboy correct) I believe.
PS; The word we want is "niche".
PS2; If you were using an outdoor range, a .410 shotgun stage would fit. I have seen a "Buckaroo" class for young shooters at a regular local match. One .22 pistol, a .22 levergun or pump, and a double or pump .410. I'm sure 20 or 28 would do, if the kid was strong enough (At the match I first saw this, one kid used a double .410 with handloads in .444 Marlin cases!)
A twice barreled .410 ranks right up there on the "cool" factor. Might have to start hunting for one.
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Start saving up for the ammunition for it!
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Abilene, your Colt Diamondback DA 22 revolver, would be just fine....
your pump is fine too, even bolt actions...just not Semi's
The idea is not to get too heady over rules, or even era's , CAP is just for fun.
You and/or your posse', mob, or group can mold it as you see fit....
Not trying to copy any particular discipline, it's sort of molded after NCOWS working cowboy-ish.
Hence the DA's shot SA...
We are not planning shotguns, but you surely can if you see fit.
(BTW, thanks for the correction "niche".) :)
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Here are two stages where both the Pistol and Rifle are shot in one bay. The Rifle targets are smaller than the Pistol targets.
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I did a shoot a few years back that really did not work. It was supposed to evoke the carnival shooting gallery, but targets were stickers, and it involved too much changing and reapplying of stickers. In retrospect, I would print several on paper, and have a lot more cardboard. Either way, I kept the images and maybe you guys can put them to use.
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more coming
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Even a few more
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Last one
We always shoot an Ace of Spades at the Jesse James shoots. I made this one for a target. Eventually evolved into designing my own deck of 19th century style playing cards, just have never put together the coin to have them made.
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Mogorilla, those are some great looking targets. They print nicely. Lots of possibilities.
When we started to do the Indoor Cowboy Action shoots, initially we used small adhesive discs to cover the bullet holes. This proved to be tedious and time consuming. We found that using a fresh target for each shooter worked the best and was cost effective. After a shooter finished shooting the stage, we would retrieve his target and score it then staple a fresh target on for the next shooter.
Attached is another one of my favorite indoor stages along with a target I print for practice.
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It would be most interesting to see results of a match. CAP is something that I have always wanted to do. :D
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Have a nice 22 vaquero that would work, just found the matching Ruger holster.
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I've been inactive in CAS for a number of years, but I am a Life member of SASS. I sort of moved back over to muzzleloaders as my main shooting interest. However, this thread caught my eye. Our local SASS-affiliated club, the Fort White Cowboy Cavalry, started a .22 cowboy action styled program in about 2000. I don't know if it is still going on, but it was very popular for a a number of years. I was the Match Director for several of those years. We called it the Rimfire Ruckus.
Our rules called for one single-action .22 caliber revolver, any manually operated (e.g. slide, lever, bolt-action) .22 caliber rifle with iron sights, and a single shot, break open shotgun in any gauge. SASS rules applied for shotgun ammo. The rifle and revolver could use any .22 short, long, or long-rifle cartridges. .22 Magnum was not allowed. High-velocity .22 longrifle ammo was allowed and created no problems. Even the copper-washed .22 bullets are soft lead.
We were fortunate in that we had a dedicated cowboy action range, and could just leave the targets up all the time, and just move them as needed. The week after the regular centerfire cowboy match, we would hold the Rimfire Ruckus, using the same targets in the same places as the previous week. Scenarios would be modified or rewritten to accommodate the single handgun and the single-shot scattergun. Timing, scoring, and safety rules and procedures were the same as for CAS. We strongly encouraged people to "dress cowboy," and most were happy to comply, but costuming was not a priority and a few people didn't get into that aspect at all.
The idea behind our Rimfire Ruckus was to provide a lower-cost alternative to Cowboy Action Shooting, both for the enjoyment of the participants and to introduce new shooters, families, and younger folks to the game. It was just as much fun as the centerfire matches, really.
As noted, we used the same steel targets as were used for the centerfire matches. The .22's would not take down the knockdown targets reliably, so we would just count hits. A few things we learned were that spotters really needed to be on their toes to count hits and misses accurately. Every scenario had to end with at least one shotgun blast, because the .22's were not loud enough to "stop" the timers. Duds with the .22 rounds were not uncommon, and if a shooter had a failure to fire, he would be allowed one re-shoot per match. Ejectors were allowed in the single shot shotguns, but hulls would stick in the chambers now and then. We learned to carry a few dead AA batteries... Hold the shotgunwith the muzzle up and drop a battery down the muzzle to knock out the stuck shell. I salvaged some lead from the range, melted it down, and filled a bunch of .30-30 shells with lead, and carried these in a cartridge belt instead of using batteries. They worked great.
We did not have any reloads on the clock, except for the shotguns. We only allowed the one re-shoot per shooter per match for a dud round or failure to fire, even though some of the folks shooting El Cheapo brand Bucket o' Bullets ammo might have several duds. If you start having too many re-shoots, things really begin to drag, and you want to keep things moving. People learned to not skimp, and buy good ammunition.
Bear in mind that .22 revolvers have recessed cylinders... You can't see the cartridge rims in looking through from the side, as with centerfire revolvers. So, the empty chamber on the six-shooters would be designated with a stripe of White-Out on either side of the top strap. The White-Out wiped off with bore cleaner and did not hurt the finish.
That's all I can think of right now. I just remember that the Rimfire Ruckus was a helluva lot of fun, required less gear, and was way cheaper than the cowboy centerfire matches.
Best regards,
Crooked River Bob
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Along with my Colt Peacemaker .22s and New Frontier .22s I have my trusty Cimarron 10 shooter: