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Not only is Trailrider still in business, he just posted in several of the forums a week ago.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: A Poll about your bullets
« Last post by Sedalia Dave on April 09, 2024, 09:02:30 PM »
I have a SLIM 38 that I haven't gotten to use yet.

Accurate Molds modified one of their designs for my 56-50. Haven't gotten to use it yet.  One of the modifications was to maximize the available lube.

Not a Lubed bullet but I had this one made by Tom for my Ruger Old Army's. Did this because a .457 round ball is just barely big enough and occasionally a ball will move in the chamber. It is cut to have a max diameter of .460. This will make a better fit and should seat a little deeper into the chamber. The tapered sides should make it easy to load.

All three of the above are scheduled to be used in May. I'll have time by then to do some casting.
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Tall Tales / Re: April 1, Fooling around making the coffee & toast
« Last post by Silver Creek Slim on April 09, 2024, 08:57:58 PM »
Micah and I are in DePere, WI. We are attending the following the next two days.
https://events.nwtc.edu/corporate-training/event/detail/6th-annual-house-of-worship-safety-and-security-symposium-7d3068

Slim
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I have holsters made by Trailrider Products probably 20 years ago and I need two more of that sort of California style Slim Jim for my Uberti 1860 Type II conversions.  Those Uberti conversions will stretch out my holsters I use for my Percussion pistols because Uberti in their goofiness decided to make the pistol larger in the cylinder than the original 1860 to allow .45 Colt to be chambered, mine are .44 Specials.  Anyway, I can holster my 1860s, 1861s, 1851s, my Leech& Rigdons, my 71/72 open tops and even an Armi San Marco Richards Type I conversion in the Trailrider holsters, but if I shove the Uberti Conversion in it will ruin them for all of the others. 

I have a VERY cheap pair of Slim Jims I got somewhere I use now for the Uberti conversions, but they are ugly and have the uncovered trigger guard (typical Slim Jims) which is why I love the Trailrider Holsters with the covered guards.  They were actually a design that had a flap and I had him remove it and give me a rolled top edge to hold up from reholstering.  They have held up pretty well for twenty years.

The sad thing about the Uberti Richards is that it could have been made to the correct size, there is an Armi San Marco Type I conversion in the picture below with the other revolvers that fit, and it fits fine.

Does anyone know what happened to them?  Did anyone buy out their business or their catalog designs?  They used to have a nice colored brochure and net presence.  That holster was actually shown as a half flap and I had them modify the design.

If I can't find them, I need to find someone to make me two more holsters.  Look at the pictures below.  I want the two tone roll and the color to be relatively the same.

Thanks,
Mako
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The Darksider's Den / Re: How did we get these "Calibers"?
« Last post by Mako on April 09, 2024, 06:43:47 PM »
Galen,
I'm not a total perfectionist and I usually forgive people when they say .45 Long Colt or things like "clip" for a magazine.  In most cases it doesn't matter and I am not always esoteric.  I do understand how that people in the 19th century might have called the .45 Colt (a Long Colt) because the Army started buying all of their ammunition in the .45 Schofield length to eliminate logistic and supply issues where the .45 Colt ammo would be delivered to locations where they needed the shorter cartridge.

However the Army S&W cartridge was different than the original .45 used in the #3 Schofields.  The new shorter cartridge worked in both the SAAs and the S&W revolvers the Army purchased.

The thing is I don't think anyone outside of people like the ones here generally know that.  They have just been incorrectly saying .45 Long Colt because pundits and others keep saying it.  I was at a show Saturday and even had a guy selling ammunition argue with me when the guy I was with noticed the .45 "Long Colt" sign and mentioned "hey they have Long Colt again".  I laughed and told him what I told you.  The vendor over heard me and "corrected me".  I laughed and pointed to the boxes from several different manufactures and told him, "well tell the ammo companies because they have no idea it is "Long Colt".  He then proceeded to tell me that it was on SOME of the boxes he sold, and I replied, "well obviously not the ones on your table".

There are  "Long" and "Short" cartridges like all of the many permutations of the .38 in both S&W and Colt.  I actually think this was where the misnomer ".45 Long Colt" started .  The Army adopted the .38 Long Colt as their pistol cartridge in 1892.  It was the subject of derision and consternation through the Spanish American War and until it was "retired" in 1909.  So people were used to hearing about the .38 Long Colt, it makes sense they would later call the .45 Colt the .45 Long Colt especially after the .45 ACP came out and it was also a "Colt's Pistol".

But since we deal with a lot of obsolete or obsolescent cartridges it is important we are specific. 

Case in point:
My father was an Air Force Fighter Pilot and was not a hunter or shooter.  He owned one revolver, a Smith and Wesson .38/44 Heavy duty.  That is a large N frame revolver now identified as a model 20 by some S&W enthusiasts.  In fact he was in Korea flying Sabres with the 39th and he decided he didn't like the 1911s  they were issued (once again he was listening to his fellow airmen that said it was "inaccurate and kicked like a mule").  So he wrote my Grandmother and asked her to buy him a .38 revolver, she went to the hardware store and bought him one and a holster and cleaning kit.  Put it in the U.S. Mail and sent it to him at K-13 (Suwon).  Amazing what we could do before 1968 and much worse the Patriot Act.

So moving forward to about 1977.  I was over at my parents house and Dad was in the garage (he had a collection of Volkswagons), he asked me to go to his sock drawer in his bedroom and get the key to his '63 Beetle.  When I opened the drawer I noticed a handful of .38 WCF cartridges.  I took one with me back to the garage and asked him why he had those shells.  He told me my Grandfather (who was an outdoorsman) gave them to him because he needed some ammo for his revolver (I don't know why, he never had any the 18 years I lived with him).

I went back to his room and retrieved his pistol taking it back to the garage and asked him to try and load it.  Trying to put a 40 caliber cartridge in a .38 special is a bit tough.  So we had two individuals who thought they knew what they needed.  My dad who knew he had a .38 and Grandfather who was the best rifleman I have ever known except for one MSgt at Quantico.  He shot  a .30-30, a Rem Model 24 in .22 short, and an old Belgian double in 12 gauge like every sporting goods and dry goods store in the U.S. had sold.  He had the family Model '73 in .44 WCF but rarely shot it.  He had two pistols, a SAA made in 1896 (.45 Colt) left to him by a man he help nurse while he had cancer, and a Colt's 1860 given to my Great Grandfather by the man who carried it in the War between the States made in 1861.  I only ever saw him shoot each of those  on one occasion each.  He didn't know anything about a .38 special, he had a box full of old cartridges, those .38 WCF (.38-40) being some of them.  My Grandfather was a rifleman (didn't know 'nuthin about no handguns) and the adage "beware the man with only one gun" applied to him, he knew his rifles and carried them almost daily when out on the job.

I have been told dad was an aggressive and excellent pilot by the men he flew with, he flew Sabres in Korea and Phantoms in Vietnam and retired with Sr. Command Pilot Wings.  He had 1 and 1/2 kills to his credit in Korea, and was the lead gun with a wingman,  but once he was on the ground he actually considered his job done.  A tiger in the sky and a pussy cat on the ground.

Yep, correct identification is important.  I still laugh thinking what would have happened if Dad had ever heard someone breaking  into the house one night.  He would be like Barney Fife trying to load his one bullet.  After that I bought him a speed loader and a box of 158gr Jacketed Hollow Points.  I still have the full box of ammo ,the speed loader (still loaded), the revolver, the original S&W "Gold and Blue" box it came in, the holster and the Hoppes cleaning kit.  Everything is immaculate.  So I always try to be precise when describing ammunition.  I have more stories about others not realizing the differences as well.

Oh, and you may have noticed I move between Pistol and Revolver (when describing revolvers) as fits my fancy, so I'm not a perfectionist.

~Mako

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The Barracks / Re: Reloading for a 03 Springfield
« Last post by Snake Oil on April 09, 2024, 06:38:13 PM »
I wanted to chime in with "the load" again... "the load" is supposed to be 13 grains of Red Dot for anything 30 cal out to 100 yards...

https://forum.castbulletassoc.org/thread/1387-the-load-is-13-grains-of-red-dot/

With red dot and promo being nearly the same, I tried 10 grains of promo, hoping that I would be pushing lower pressure as my first loading. I was amazed by the results and have not needed to
Try going up. (That was originally in my 30-40 development for krags) here is the results in my 1903...
top right is 10 grains behind 170 gr...
Bottom right 10 grains behind 220 gr...
Middle is 10 grains behind 210 gr...
Lower right 18 gr unique behind 160 gr... this one was snappy and probably needs scaled way back.
Target was at 17 yards so not really far out there, but off hand as if in a squirmish run.
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The Winchester Model 1892 / Re: The lever addiction got me again.
« Last post by Abilene on April 09, 2024, 04:26:16 PM »
The wood looks good, especially the right side.  Nice find.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: How did we get these "Calibers"?
« Last post by Galen on April 09, 2024, 04:16:50 PM »
Mr Mako you are a man amongst men. I added some comments a while back questioning 45 long Colt. Personally I never heard of until a few years back. It is and will always be .45 Colt as made since 1872. I'm glad to there are still perfectionist
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CAS City Classifieds / WTB RCBS Bullet Mold 50-530-PP 50 Caliber
« Last post by kwilliams1876 on April 09, 2024, 03:09:57 PM »
Anyone have one of these paper patch molds they would sell?
thanks
KW
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Tall Tales / Re: April 1, Fooling around making the coffee & toast
« Last post by Major E A Sterner on April 09, 2024, 02:00:48 PM »
Afternoon Y'all,
I guess I did better than I thought at the match this past Sunday. I was 1st in category (Senior) and 13th overall out of 31 shooters. Guess everyone was blowing the cobwebs off.
Sunny and 74 here right now. Time for some SweeTea. Y'all have a good day.
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