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Special Interests - Groups & Societies => Spencer Shooting Society => Topic started by: Cavalrist on July 02, 2023, 08:21:52 PM
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Well maybe. A friend gave me an m1865 carbine as a wall hanger, but I'm thinking it might just be salvageable as a shooter. SN is 10740. The bore is completely rusted out, and the action looks like it was used as a hammer. Very beat up. But the action works. I'm thinking about doing a center fire conversion and either relining the barrel or replacing it with a used original or new barrel.
Your thoughts and suggestions will be much appreciated.
Cavalrist
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Photos Posted by Two Flints
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Hi mine has serial 10707. If you decide to salvage, good luck . If not I might be interested in parts if they're usable
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Thanks 6thMissp, I'll keep that in mind. Hopefully I can find the parts to fix it.
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A very worthy project, if it's any consolation I have seen worse brought back.
Looking forward to the progress, and completion.
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Thanks for the encouragement! I completely disassembled the gun and took the barrel and receiver to a gunsmith buddy. His recommendation was to hunt for a replacement barrel as my bore is gone and there is a large gouge in the chamber wall. So I'm on the the hunt for a barrel. S&S has theirs on backorder and I'm on their mailing list if they come in stock again. Anyone have another source?
I also contacted Chiappa, Romano and Taylor to see if they have replacement barrels.
Chiappa has a 56-50 barrel for $283, which is not bad. So I've asked them if their barrel will fit my original receiver.
Like many here, I'm on the waiting list for brass.
The receiver will get a sonic bath cleaning and then I'll post pictures of the damage to the hole for the lever screw.
Thanks again
Cavalrist
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Bobby Hoyt in Fairfield, Pa. can sleeve that barrel and rechamber it for 56-56 or 56-50 for the same price as a replacement, or maybe less. I wouldn't give up on the original barrel unless he says it's got other problems.
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Thanks Trooper, do you have his contact information?
Thanks
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Thanks Trooper, do you have his contact information?
Thanks
Contact information in upper right corner
https://www.2ndamendgunsmith.com/in/hoyt/
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Thanks Story. I've contacted him and await a response.
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Hello:
With respect; that Internet link does not reach Bobby Hoyt in Fairfield, PA.
Please try Frieschutz Gun Shop.
Bobby knows Spencers.
Very respectfully,
Kevin Tinny
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Thanks Kevin. I found his contact info and I'll call him later today.
I appreciate the support from you fellas!
Alan
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Hello, Cavalrist:
The missing part of the chamber at 9:00 relative in yours is common in models with the long blade extractor. It is often called a " wedge".
With black powder, the pressures are usually not enough to cause a brass walled case to expand into that area or push it away.
It can be a challenge to cut a chamber without that paper thin spot disappearing.
I have a few with the wedge and they function well.
All the best,
El Supremo/Kevin Tinny
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El Supremo
I think this may be something abnormal. I hope the picture shows it clearly enough. It looks like someone took a center punch to it. I hope it is not deep enough to prevent getting it sleeved. Does that make sense to you?
Two Flints, I hope the attached photo isn't too big. Please fix it if necessary.
I tried to call Robert Hoyt at Freitschutz but no answer. I'll try again later today.
Cavalrist
Alan McFadden
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Thanks for the photo:
I wonder if the punch mark was an attempt to prevent chambering a cartridge.
The barrel appears inverted because the blade extractor slot should be on the left side.
Anyway, there is both a punch mark in the chamber wall and a missing wedge aIongside the blade extractor cut.
Notice what appear to be square threads on the barrel.
Bobby should be able to line it.
All the best.
El Supremo/Kevin Tinny
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I agree, I think someone tried to demil it.
It is upside down, as I had to hold the barrel between my knees, holding the flashlight with my left hand and the camera with my right to get the punch mark to show.
Took me 4 tries to get a decent photo. ;D
Now I see the wedge you mentioned. Glad to hear it isn't a problem.
Still no answer at the Freischutz number.
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Sorry for the slow reply, been away from the computer. Call Bobby in the morning, between 9 and 11 works best. He's in the shop after than and usually won't answer because he's running a machine.
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Arizona, thanks for the info, I'll call him tomorrow.
Take care
Alan
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Great news! Barrel will go into the mail today. Very affordable, less than a replacement. Thanks for all your help fellas. Now to clean up the stocks......
Best regards friends
Alan
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Hello, Calvarist:
I sent Larry Romano, a very experienced Spencer gunsmith, a copy of your chamber photo.
He said it looks like someone tried to disable it.
Please post a close-up photo of the breech after Bobby Hoyt lines it. Thanks.
El Supremo/Kevin Tinny
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El Supremo, will do. Might be a while till Bobby gets to it, but I'll post a photo as soon as I get it back.
Best
Alan
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I have a photo going to TwoFlints of the receiver showing the enlarged lever pin hole for him to modify for posting. I will be taking it to my local gunsmith buddy to have him weld it up, drill it and mill out the recess. Hopefully, he can get to it before the barrel gets lined.
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Photo posted by Two Flints
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Nice photo:
Watch out on the threads.
They may be "old style", as Larry Romano once described them. Be sure that the newly cut ones in receiver match those on the screw. I will try to confirm them with Larry, but it could take a couple weeks to get an answer.
Alternatively, maybe "Blair" here knows.
Smiles.
El Supremo/Kevin Tinny
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Thanks Kevin
The right "ear" is okay and the threads are intact. I do believe they are not standard current thread counts.
My gunsmith say he'll weld up the hole, then drill an new hole aligned with the right side and then mill out the recess for the screw head.
I sure appreciate the great feedback. I'll post a picture when I get the receiver back so you can see the fix. We might salvage this thing yet!
Cavalrist
Alan McFadden
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Greetings
I just received the lined barrel from Bob Hoyt. It is a beautiful job and I highly recommend him. Well worth the wait and very affordable.
I still don't have the receiver back yet, but I expect it to be ready soon.