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Title: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Virginia Gentleman on January 31, 2017, 06:16:18 PM
Does anyone have one and have any thoughts about how it works and shoots?
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: JohnsonBarr on February 01, 2017, 12:41:51 PM
Are you referring to the now discontinued Berretta Stampede made by Uberti? If so I would stray away from that particular model. They were fraught with problems and repair parts are nearly impossible to obtain.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Abilene on February 01, 2017, 04:10:46 PM
I think he is talking about the new Uberti hammer with a firing pin that will slide back into the hammer when pushed (by your finger when it is at full cock or by a primer if the hammer is down on a live round), unless the trigger is pulled.

I think Uberti is calling this the Cattleman 2 (or II ? ).  Word is they will coerce the importers to sell this one by refusing to pay the liability insurance that they formerly paid on the standard Cattleman.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on February 02, 2017, 02:44:23 PM
Abilene!!

Say it isn't so!!  PLEASE!!  That is just SO INSANE!!  Also STUPID.  And DUMB!!  Have Uberti lost their collective minds??

Coffinmaker
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Jake C on February 02, 2017, 03:37:56 PM

I think Uberti is calling this the Cattleman 2 (or II ? ).  Word is they will coerce the importers to sell this one by refusing to pay the liability insurance that they formerly paid on the standard Cattleman.

Ugh, I sure hope that isn't the case. I love the simplicity of the Colt SAA, and Uberti's repro's by extension.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on February 02, 2017, 04:00:32 PM
At least the threat of these firing pins caused my lovely bride to tell me to go immediately to my local gun store and buy a new revolver last year.  I would have a very hard time deciding to buy a revolver that had one of those.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecOGRmMtFow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecOGRmMtFow)

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,56862.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,56862.0.html)

CC Griff
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Pettifogger on February 03, 2017, 10:13:35 AM
Unfortunately liability concerns are the way of the world and an industry here in the good old U.S.  People will say they like simplicity and rail against manufacturers that have installed transfer bars, etc.  However, when those same people have an accident it is SOMEONE else's fault no matter what or who caused the accident.  If someone gets hurt your best buddy will sue you as quickly as a total stranger.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Virginia Gentleman on February 03, 2017, 01:11:46 PM
Cosmetically, it looks better than the current hammer block that most imports have.  Liability, we can all thank the PC snowflakes and the ambulance chasing lawyers for it.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Scattered Thumbs on February 03, 2017, 04:22:51 PM
Cosmetically, it looks better than the current hammer block that most imports have.  Liability, we can all thank the PC snowflakes and the ambulance chasing lawyers for it.

And who knows? It might even work.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: vietvet1968 on July 07, 2017, 12:08:50 AM
I just mistakenly bought one thinking the gun had 4 clicks , bought it sight unseen which was a big mistake then worked the action and feel and hear 3 clicks . They don't have the safety notch and I really don't like the way it feels at all. In fact I'm trying to find out if I can put in the old style hammer and correct this problem . Anyone know if this can be done?
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Ben Beam on July 07, 2017, 12:25:05 PM
I have one. Shoots beautifully, never had a problem with it.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on July 07, 2017, 03:23:46 PM
Not ME!!

I shoot Cap Guns.  Don't need no stinking Firing Pins   ;D

Coffinmaker
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Capt Quirk on July 07, 2017, 06:03:16 PM
At least the threat of these firing pins caused my lovely bride to tell me to go immediately to my local gun store and buy a new revolver last year.  I would have a very hard time deciding to buy a revolver that had one of those.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecOGRmMtFow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecOGRmMtFow)

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,56862.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,56862.0.html)

CC Griff
That is bloody GENIUS! Why didn't I think of it?
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: RRio on May 11, 2019, 11:10:57 AM
I have one. Shoots beautifully, never had a problem with it.

I have one also. Did an action job on it, and you wouldn't know that has that improved system if I didn't tell you. Every bit as smooth and light as one of my older guns.  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on May 12, 2019, 11:39:30 AM

First.  A CAVEAT:  I don't own one.  I haven't own'd one.  I won't own one.  It isn't that the funky stupid miserable retracting Firing Pin Can't/Doesen't/Won''t work.  It does.  I just don't like Uberti .... Remember???

I have now had the opportunity to fondle a couple of them.  They ran fine.  Took em apart and looked at all the extra parts and found nothing amiss.  I wouldn't want to let em get gummy from unsanitary bathing habits.  Other than a Funky Stupid Miserable retracting firing pin, they be fine.  The retracting firing pin, is in answer to a question none of us ever asked.  STUPID. 
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Dave T on May 12, 2019, 03:19:59 PM
Coffin,

They took a lesson from Smith & Wesson's fine example of how to alienate a large segment of your customer base.

Dave
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: RRio on May 12, 2019, 07:05:34 PM
First.  A CAVEAT:  I don't own one.  I haven't own'd one.  I won't own one.  It isn't that the funky stupid miserable retracting Firing Pin Can't/Doesen't/Won''t work.  It does.  I just don't like Uberti .... Remember???

I have now had the opportunity to fondle a couple of them.  They ran fine.  Took em apart and looked at all the extra parts and found nothing amiss.  I wouldn't want to let em get gummy from unsanitary bathing habits.  Other than a Funky Stupid Miserable retracting firing pin, they be fine.  The retracting firing pin, is in answer to a question none of us ever asked.  STUPID.

All very well and fine that you don'r like Uberti, but why then, do you want to waste time responding on a "Uberti" thread??   ???
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on May 13, 2019, 08:10:21 AM
BECAUSE!!  Sumthin to do   :o

Oh yea, and I had a minor amount of pertinent input.

FORGOT:  And because the forums' have been really really QUIET lately.  Needed a little stirring.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Jeremiah Jones on May 13, 2019, 02:04:04 PM
I don't have one, but, is it possible to make it non-retractable, with some JB Weld? 
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: RRio on May 13, 2019, 04:14:47 PM
I don't have one, but, is it possible to make it non-retractable, with some JB Weld?


ALL things are possible with JB Weld.     ;D

 You would have to take the rod out of the hammer, remove the firing pin, and fill the channel with enough JBW to hold the pin in the proper place. Still only gonna be 3 clicks. Best metod is to replace the hammer and trigger.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Major 2 on May 13, 2019, 04:46:40 PM
here is a concept  :)  buy a pre floating firing pin gun....
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: 45 Dragoon on May 13, 2019, 06:27:09 PM
I had one in the shop and made some drop in "safety deletes" for them.  Just remove the pin that holds the spring and plunger in the hammer, remove the spring and plunger, drop in the S.D. and replace the pin to keep it in place. Much cleaner and faster than JB.  It allows you to re-install the safety device if you ever want to sell it or carry it with 6.

Mike
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Cliff Fendley on May 13, 2019, 10:06:11 PM
here is a concept  :)  buy a pre floating firing pin gun....

Yep
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on May 14, 2019, 09:22:13 AM

PLUS ONE to Major 2 and Cliff Fendley

PLUS .... Bear in mind ..... Pietta don't have those Funky Suck Butt floating Firing Pins.  Yes, I know, Pietta do make an SA with a Transfer Bar.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: 45 Dragoon on May 14, 2019, 09:53:11 AM
Um .  .  .  .  foul!!

Mr. CM, you don't like Ubert's anyway!! Lol. So, just a waste of electrons!!

At least it ain't quiet anymore!!   ;D

Mike

At least I gave a solution that only requires local anesthesia! No mixing, no cure time, totally reversible .  .  .
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Hillbilly Drifter on May 14, 2019, 05:03:00 PM
I have had a couple and used them for a season. They ran just fine. Sure were not very popular when I went to sell them though.....
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Virginia Gentleman on June 23, 2019, 08:16:38 PM
I have one now from Taylors and Company an engraved white polished metal.  Other than the 3 clicks it seems the same.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: major on June 23, 2019, 08:45:53 PM
I have several single action revolvers with the floating pin and they all work great. ;D
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Professor Marvel on June 24, 2019, 03:11:02 AM
I am gratified to hear that

a) they work
2) they can be easily defeated ... thanks Goon!
III) they are pretty.... and work!

penultimatley, they also generate conversation!

prof marvl

Um .  .  .  .  foul!!

Mr. CM, you don't like Ubert's anyway!! Lol. So, just a waste of electrons!!

At least it ain't quiet anymore!!   ;D

Mike

At least I gave a solution that only requires local anesthesia! No mixing, no cure time, totally reversible .  .  .
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: 45 Dragoon on June 24, 2019, 06:51:04 AM
Thanks Perfesser!!
  And on second thought, because of the "conversation generation" of the particular subject, I reckon it wasn't a waste of electrons after ALL!!  My apologies Mr. CM !!

Mike
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on June 24, 2019, 08:51:24 AM

HA  ;D   So There   8)
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Virginia Gentleman on July 04, 2019, 03:10:04 PM
Since they work and are safer, is the real objection over the fact that the 4 clicks are missing?
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Professor Marvel on July 04, 2019, 11:26:57 PM
Since they work and are safer, is the real objection over the fact that the 4 clicks are missing?

I believe, but cannot prove, that the objections are a mix of
?OMG you changed something?
Increased complexity
?It is no longer the 1873 that I know and love?

Yhs
Prof Marvel
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on July 05, 2019, 12:50:27 PM

I personally don't like either the idea nor the execution.  Must understand though, Ideas give me headaches and I have never been comfortable around executioners.  Makes me some nervous.

This contraption is simply a solution in desperate search of a problem.  The only driving force I can think of, beyond the lawyers, was/is to make the gun "look" more like a traditional Colt.  I don't see that as a necessity from a personal standpoint.  I'm happy with "Fine from the Freeway" and am not a fan of fixing something that isn't broken or not in need of improvement.

Seems, I am also in full agreement with The Professor of Marvelous fame.  The objections seem to be driven by "OMG ..... YOU'VE CHANGED SOMETHING." and of course "It's no longer MY Colt Clone" without consideration, never was a clone .... was a Replicant.  Heck, a 3rd generation Colt isn't a good clone.  It's also a pretty poor Replicant.  Oh, and the new gizmo is an increase in complexity.  That alone (complexity) will really start conversation.

If you really want to checkout the hand wringing and wailing into the Night, just wait until the "Retro Fit" parts are no longer available.  Uberti has a habit of not supporting previous manufacture when an "Enhancement" is made.  Soon, if you break one of the "older" pattern guns, you will have to buy a complete "kit" inclusive of the "new" hammer, pushrod, trigger, firing pin and other assorted hardware for your repair.  Most similar to what must be procured for their Toggle Link rifles.  Be fun to watch.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: LonesomePigeon on July 16, 2019, 10:51:57 PM
I wonder if Standard Mfg. might sell hammers & triggers eventually? If Standard is based on the USFA and the USFA was based on Uberti it might not be too difficult to fit a Standard parts into a new Uberti.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Speedballalice on July 25, 2019, 01:24:46 PM
I have handled two over the course of the last year in the local gunshop and neither went to full cock reliably. Dont know if it was a fluke or just me.
 
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: yahoody on September 12, 2019, 10:17:15 PM
I have a few of them..3 or 4 at least may be 5.

I didn't like the extra trigger weight or the feel.  Just me but wasn't happy with  them so I bought 4 click hammers and triggers from Cimarron and they were all dropped in and better feeling triggers IMO.   Timing was still spot on.  CNC machining and engineering at its best  ;D   Close to $80 my dealer cost per gun upgrade.

Solved the liability issue but didn't improve the SAA design in any way I can see.   Nothing wrong with simple in a firearm.

USFA hammer won't fit a Uberti.  They will some times fit a 1st or 2nd Gen Colt.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Rye Miles on September 20, 2019, 07:45:53 AM
I had one and didn't know what it was until I got it! It worked fine, I shot about 200 rounds from it. I gave it to my son because he wanted one for his house. I figured it would be hard to sell so he's got it now. :-X
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Major 2 on September 20, 2019, 08:44:22 AM
If I had one Id leave it be ....un -defeated

but then again, I would not get one....
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: chucksolo1 on November 23, 2019, 04:10:47 PM
To me it is NOT about safety since I think the ultimate safety will always be between your ears! It is all about AUTHENTICITY. That is why I refuse to buy any SAA that has a safety device. Heck, I bristle when someone calls a Ruger Vaquero a Colt SAA clone. I researched quite a bit and called Cimarron AND EMF before I settled on my EMF-Pietta Deluxe Californian .357. Uberti makes a non retractable firing pin model in the Colt BP frame called a pre-war model Frontier, I didn't go for that one because it has a huge cylinder pin screw that IMO detracts from the classic look of the gun. I'm very happy with my EMF-Pietta SAA; it is a very gorgeous piece and the checkered grips feel fantastic.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on November 23, 2019, 04:26:33 PM
Chucksolo   ;D

I have a surprise for ya.  That "HUGE" cylinder base pin screw you see in some of the photographs, is no more than an assembly and set-up screw.  Included in the box, usually stuck thru some unobtrusive section of cardboard, or in an itty bitty plastic baggie, is the size appropriate screw that fits into the initial frame hole.  However:

The Pietta is a better deal.

Rest assured though.  I personally think the "retracting" firing pin is some swell kind of STUPID.  Not that I'm at all Opinionated.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: chucksolo1 on November 23, 2019, 05:26:10 PM
Thanks Coffinmaker, that's good to know. I may just check that one ot again and get it if they have one in .44-40!
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Abilene on November 23, 2019, 06:10:02 PM
ChuckSolo1, fyi Cimarron has the 44-40 in the Uberti Old Model frame with standard firing pin in all barrel lengths in stock, but they are currently out of the Frontier (Pietta) Old Model in 44-40.  And both the Pietta and Uberti Old Models (BP frame) have the knurled thumbscrew installed from the factory with the small authentic screw in the box.  That thumbscrew, along with the two-position basepin, satisfies the import requirement to be able to make the gun safe without any tools.

Also, to correct you on the model designation.  I'm not sure where you saw the Frontier "Pre-War" model had the BP frame.  That was a mistake, even if you saw it that way (Cimarron website has errors here and there).  The "BP Frame" models with the base pin screw in the front of the frame are called "Old Model" by Cimarron regardless of Pietta or Uberti.  Likewise, models from both are called "Pre-War" that have the transverse spring loaded latch for the base pin.  I wouldn't want you to ask for the wrong thing and get what you don't want.  :) 
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: RUSS123 on December 28, 2019, 04:25:37 PM
I bought a Pietta Frontier Stainless with a 7.5" barrel last Spring. It doesn't have a hammer safety. It does however, have the Ruger style hand spring, which I'm glad about. I bought it new from Cimerron. It's my best shooter and well made. By the way, I'm new here and this is my first post.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: TinMan2 on February 12, 2020, 01:04:16 PM
OK I'm late to the table..............I was at a gun show in Charleston SC last Nov.  There on one table was a Cattleman II Stoeger import in 45 Colt.  Short barrel, color cased(beautiful blues), steel grip frame.  It had the internal retractable firing pin but they let me play with it and honestly it was slick.  I bought it.  I've shot it a lot with my handloads and it smacks the hard primers just fine.  Not one bit of trouble and everyone at the range didn't notice the lack of the first tiny click and thought it was a conventional firing pin setup.  I had to show them how it worked.  Everyone thought that that was a good invisible way of making it safe to carry 6 rounds in the field.  A five year warranty from Stoeger too!  I'm sure you 4 click guys that own Uberti's know that they all now come with coil spring hands?  Are you folks going to change that back to a flat hand spring ::)?
 I'm going to replace the flat trigger bolt spring with a wire one when and IF the flat one breaks.  Basicly I have a SAA that I can carry safely with 6 rounds and not worry about breaking a hand or trigger/bolt spring. It will replace my Ruger Blackhawk for carry in camp and the swamp.  Everyone fights change, do you drive a car/truck with a carburetor or the new fangled fuel injection?  Same thing, need to accept something that works better and you can't see or have to think about.  I like safer and more reliable along with good looks.  Just my $.02 and my opinion.   
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Professor Marvel on February 12, 2020, 09:46:19 PM
Greetings TinMan2 

glad to hear you like yours, even gladder to hear it has no problems!

......  I'm sure you 4 click guys that own Uberti's know that they all now come with coil spring hands? 
.......Are you folks going to change that back to a flat hand spring ::)?
.... Everyone fights change, do you drive a car/truck with a carburetor or the new fangled fuel injection?

We have a wonderful diversity of opinions here, and it literally goes to show that "It Depends" (tm)

some folks want an SAA as a completely modern tool, tank-tough and virtually unbreakable. For that we have Rugers

some folks want the traditional look & feel of the Model P but with modern guts. For that we are getting wonderful stuff mainly from Italy.

some folks want want a 1873 Model P EXACTLY  as originally built, and it's ok if it uses modern steels, but by golly, leave the design the hell alone!

ain't choice grand?

yhs
prof marvel
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: yahoody on February 12, 2020, 10:29:49 PM
"Same thing, need to accept something that works better and you can't see or have to think about. "


if only any one of those things mentioned were true....but it aint  ::)

No disrepect intended.  The "new" by Uberti in this case doesn't work better from my experience. I can feel it.  The new system simply doesn't work 100% in my hands.  I have no use for a gun that won't work 100% of the time and not be a distraction.

 ;D
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: RUSS123 on February 13, 2020, 07:27:30 PM
Greetings TinMan2 

glad to hear you like yours, even gladder to hear it has no problems!

We have a wonderful diversity of opinions here, and it literally goes to show that "It Depends" (tm)

some folks want an SAA as a completely modern tool, tank-tough and virtually unbreakable. For that we have Rugers

some folks want the traditional look & feel of the Model P but with modern guts. For that we are getting wonderful stuff mainly from Italy.

some folks want want a 1873 Model P EXACTLY  as originally built, and it's ok if it uses modern steels, but by golly, leave the design the hell alone!

ain't choice grand?

yhs
prof marvel

I don't know how it came to being... but my Pietta Frontier Stainless has a 4 click hammer and employs the safety on the base pin by that second notch, which I certainly don't use. My Pietta has the Ruger style coil handspring which is the single most important upgrade to me. The rest of the leaf springs are fine, easy to replace should they break.

My Uberti 1872 Open Top has the "turn screw" style hammer block safety but just a 3 clicker.  I say: What's the point? Why not keep to a 4 click hammer anyway which keeps to the original safety in addition to the hammer block. It would have made a lot of people happy. When you think about it, removing the first position hammer safety only made it less safe because nobody is going to fool with the safety on the hammer just like nobody is going to use that extra notch on a base pin. There is no reason not have kept the 4 click hammer.

Ruger's ridiculousness: Even with the transfer bar safety, Ruger employs an additional safety with the Gate whereby, you can't open the gate when the hammer is cocked and likewise, you can't pull back on the hammer when the gate is open. My question to Ruger is: Why? It doesn't do a single thing for safety. You can't do better than a transfer bar for safety so the Gate safety is pointless. A Ruger can be converted a 4 clicker, eliminating the Gate safety as well.

The transfer bar safety is nothing new by the way. It was first employed on a Top Break revolver made by the Iver Johnson and Cycle Works Co, founded in 1883, Fitchburg, Massachusetts. A friend of mine has one that was long handed down to him by his Father's Grandfather, who acquired it as payment in place of money owed.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: medic15al on June 11, 2020, 12:47:43 PM
My Pietta 7 1/2in Old Model I got from Cimarron as the Frontier Old Model Came with only the thumbscrew, I had to call Cimarron for the proper flush mount Base Pin screw.

4 click fixed firing pin on hammer and coil Handspring. Butter soft screws with the Bottom backstrap screw refusing to budge and
smudging on attempt..

I love this one. My Old Model P Uberti from Cimarron in Charcoal Blue is solid, came with both styles of base pin screws.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: dangt on June 30, 2020, 07:53:30 AM
I just took my "floating firing pin" Cattleman II out to shoot for the first time last week.  Absolutely no ignition failures. I had recently come back to this type of firearm after several decades of shooting only double action S&Ws. In the distant past I had owned Colt, Ruger, and Uberti SAAs.

What really bothers me tremendously about the floating firing pin system is the altered shape of the trigger.  It has far more curvature ( looks wrong) and to me feels odd to my trigger finger.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: dangt on July 20, 2020, 08:05:09 AM
I just finished installation of a "four click" hammer with appropriate trigger on my Cattleman II.  As posted above , the shape and position of the the trigger was for me the most bothersome features of the original floating firing pin parts. I also just did not trust the floating safety system, however right or wrong that distrust was.

I had ordered the two parts from Taylor's in March and had immediately received the trigger. Hammer was on back order and then the Corona-virus problem hit and I expected to wait years............if it ever would come at all. 

So, it did come in  July and it is indeed still being made by Uberti , apparently.  If nor being made, it is still being shipped.

By the way, I did not have to replace or even re-time the hand nor the cylinder stop. Trigger, of course had to be fitted.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: 45 Dragoon on July 20, 2020, 08:19:38 PM
I just finished installation of a "four click" hammer with appropriate trigger on my Cattleman II.  As posted above , the shape and position of the the trigger was for me the most bothersome features of the original floating firing pin parts. I also just did not trust the floating safety system, however right or wrong that distrust was.

I had ordered the two parts from Taylor's in March and had immediately received the trigger. Hammer was on back order and then the Corona-virus problem hit and I expected to wait years............if it ever would come at all. 

So, it did come in  July and it is indeed still being made by Uberti , apparently.  If nor being made, it is still being shipped.

By the way, I did not have to replace or even re-time the hand nor the cylinder stop. Trigger, of course had to be fitted.


Sounds great!!! Now you have a 5 shooter instead of a six shooter(jk)!!   It's amazing how far folks will go to get 4 clicks!!  Glad you got the gun you want!! That's what it's all about!  Curious, what didn't you trust about the "retractable" firing pin? I liked the previous "Block safety" but I think the new version is pretty cool. I've worked on a couple and don't understand what the fuss is !! Ruger is so popular and it's a 3 clicker and so is pretty much everything else I work on (C&B, ROA's, cart.conversions, 71/72 OT's .  .  .  !l).  I think I'd rather have the new system instead of a new transfer-bar system!!

Mike
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: dangt on July 21, 2020, 08:19:48 AM
I do not like the appendage on the side of the trigger that activates the plunger in the hammer of the floating firing pin system.  It has the appearance of being not-too-strong, whether it is or not.  With hammer out of the gun , in hand, any resistance against the firing pin makes the plunger feel somewhat gritty.  Originally, I thought I'd just remove the plunger and build one that would constantly force the firing pin to extend.  The darned shape and position of the trigger would still be there to annoy the heck out of me.  As much as the overly curvaceous trigger seemed  to get my goat, the too far forward position looked and felt exceedingly wrong TO ME.

Then , also, there was a small function glitch that was not safety related.  the half cock timing was such that to extract an empty case, the cylinder had to be given a little nudge to put in the correct position so empties did not catch on the side of the loading cut-out. The replacement hammer seems to have eliminated that little problem without having to use a longer hand.

Turning the gun "back" into a five shooter does not bother me at  all.  I've had too many Single Actions in the past with the old fashioned not-very-safe safety notch.  I more appreciate the fewer number of parts of that older hammer/trigger system.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on July 22, 2020, 04:13:04 PM

You can always set the hammer down with the firing pin between cartridge rims to carry 6 Up.

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Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Cliff Fendley on August 19, 2020, 12:56:48 PM

Sounds great!!! Now you have a 5 shooter instead of a six shooter(jk)!!   It's amazing how far folks will go to get 4 clicks!!  Glad you got the gun you want!! That's what it's all about!  Curious, what didn't you trust about the "retractable" firing pin? I liked the previous "Block safety" but I think the new version is pretty cool. I've worked on a couple and don't understand what the fuss is !! Ruger is so popular and it's a 3 clicker and so is pretty much everything else I work on (C&B, ROA's, cart.conversions, 71/72 OT's .  .  .  !l).  I think I'd rather have the new system instead of a new transfer-bar system!!

Mike

Personally I don't trust the retractable firing pin to retract if it gets gummed up so wouldn't trust it anyway. No way would I trust that over a transfer bar like the Ruger. The Ruger is a whole different animal and MUCH better and proven design.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: 45 Dragoon on August 19, 2020, 05:27:05 PM
Well,  that's  great Cliff but I'm  still gonna like um. So far i haven't seen any reports of gummed up firing pins or broken  plungers for the firing pin.  Can't  say i havent seen any posts about broken transfer bars .  .  .  in Rugers  .  .  .   but hey,  its good to have options!!

Happy shooting!
Mike

Btw, all my revolvers have frame mounted  firing pins and ive never had one "gum up".  Weird .  .  . 
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Cliff Fendley on August 20, 2020, 06:13:46 PM
Well,  that's  great Cliff but I'm  still gonna like um. So far i haven't seen any reports of gummed up firing pins or broken  plungers for the firing pin.  Can't  say i havent seen any posts about broken transfer bars .  .  .  in Rugers  .  .  .   but hey,  its good to have options!!

Happy shooting!
Mike

Btw, all my revolvers have frame mounted  firing pins and ive never had one "gum up".  Weird .  .  .

If a transfer bar breaks the gun won't go bang. If a frame mounted firing pin sticks it won't rotate you'll know there is a problem or it wont move and hit the primer. If this new fangled firing pin mechanism sticks in the hammer in the outward position it will contact the primer even without the user knowing. I've heard too many complaints and seen too many of the hammer block safeties taken out of the Uberti hammers to trust something similar but more complicated that can work just the opposite as intended should it fail.

It's unlikely to happen to you or me or most anyone on a board like this because we clean and disassemble guns regularly. I've seen too many rusty guns and poorly cared for guns floating around auctions and gun shows, guns shops, etc. of guns coming from estates and such and know that is not the case with a large portion of gun owners. Unfortunately many guns sit around and get neglected.

In my opinion this has opened Uberti up to some serious lawsuit the first time one fails. At least if someone uses a gun improperly causing harm it can be argued the users fault but in this case the entire blame will be on the designer of a faulty mechanism. It may or may not happen but give these guns a few years and see what happens when a huge number of those guns are floating around that haven't ever been cleaned and rust forms inside. Until then it's wait and see but I wouldn't want to be responsible for marketing such a thing.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: 45 Dragoon on August 22, 2020, 08:59:30 AM
If a transfer bar breaks the gun won't go bang. If a frame mounted firing pin sticks it won't rotate you'll know there is a problem or it wont move and hit the primer. If this new fangled firing pin mechanism sticks in the hammer in the outward position it will contact the primer even without the user knowing. I've heard too many complaints and seen too many of the hammer block safeties taken out of the Uberti hammers to trust something similar but more complicated that can work just the opposite as intended should it fail.

It's unlikely to happen to you or me or most anyone on a board like this because we clean and disassemble guns regularly. I've seen too many rusty guns and poorly cared for guns floating around auctions and gun shows, guns shops, etc. of guns coming from estates and such and know that is not the case with a large portion of gun owners. Unfortunately many guns sit around and get neglected.

In my opinion this has opened Uberti up to some serious lawsuit the first time one fails. At least if someone uses a gun improperly causing harm it can be argued the users fault but in this case the entire blame will be on the designer of a faulty mechanism. It may or may not happen but give these guns a few years and see what happens when a huge number of those guns are floating around that haven't ever been cleaned and rust forms inside. Until then it's wait and see but I wouldn't want to be responsible for marketing such a thing.

  Cliff, while I see "some" merit in your thought process, the idea that a revolver is dangerous isn't new and is definitely dangerous in the hands of someone ignorant in its operation. Kinda like someone buying a straight shift car and complaining not knowing how to use it.  Personally,  if I am going to own a revolver, I don't want one that will fail on the side of "won't fire"!  There goes my life, a loved ones life,  whatever .  .  .    pulling the trigger and hearing " click" instead of boom sounds like a nightmare to me. I would argue that a lawsuit exists if a life is lost because of a failure  .  .  .  it goes both ways.
  The S.A. in question uses a system that will only work with the trigger pulled. Likewise, (but different operation) Glock uses a trigger mounted safety. I'll be honest here because I don't own any Glock firearms but I'm not sure how many accidents happen because the trigger safety gets stuck or "gummed up".  They are still in existence .  .  .    The spring and plunger mounted in the hammer of the S.A. in question isn't a new concept. Ruger has used it since the 50's even though it's for a different operation.  Using the spring and plunger as a sort of firing pin " disconnect " so to speak isn't all that new either. Semi auto pistol typically use a disconnect , some lever action rifles .  .  .   so things can (and do) get gummed up/dirty worn .  .  .   all kinds of things can happen and the owner should understand his/her weapon.
  Back to the S.A. in question, when loaded, the hammer will go all the way down to rest on the frame. I think a good practice with this revolver would be to check the firing pin function regularly by pointing the empty revolver up and watching the firing pin move in and out of position as you pull and release the trigger. If the firing pin is somehow "binding" and is in the forward position,  you won't see the normal movement.  Pulling the trigger just far enough to allow the half cock notch to not engage after loading, won't allow the pin to move forward - which I believe is the reason for ftf reports from the cowboy community.  It's more than likely a technique problem using this particular setup ( finger totally off the trigger when the hammer reaches the frame). Others say they've had absolutely no problems at all.
  In conclusion, I would say this is as sound  as pretty much any other "safety" system in use (though I really really liked the block system Uberti had for so many years). As most of "us" would say, the best "safety" is the one between your ears!

Mike
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Tbone13 on January 02, 2021, 01:28:44 AM
I have a Uberti (Cimarron) Bad Boy .44 with the hammer transfer bar.  It works fine but I haven't shot it that much yet. About 150 rounds or so.
The loss of a click doesn't matter to me, I'd rather it was old style but it is a little safer since the gun won't fire without the trigger held back all the way.
A slip of the thumb can cause the clumsy to shoot their foot off.
It does cause me to check it for free movement every time I clean it, since it's a new thing.
Overall, I give it a C-.  Things change. At least they didn't etch a safety manual into the side of the frame or something. Could be worse.
;)
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Dave T on February 03, 2021, 09:10:58 AM
It's a sad commentary on Western Civilization when the best that can be said about a company's "new and improved" offering is, "Could be worse."

Single action revolvers were a mainstay in the USofA for the latter half of the 19th Century and into the 20th. WWII about killed them off but they got a breath of fresh air in the 1950s (thank you TV cowboys). With the advent of SASS and the Italian makers taking advantage of that growing market there are more SA revolvers available today than ever before. And like almost everything else they are updated, re-designed, safer, and better. Or so they would have us believe. Ruger led the way back in the early '70s with their New Model Balckhawk. It was such a better idea, if they got their hands on one they would convert your Old Model into a New Model...even if you didn't ask or want it. They're smarter than you don't ya know!

So purchase and enjoy...as long as the gun goes off when you want it to, and the transfer bar doesn't break, or the floating firing pin doesn't quit floating, or, or, or. Some of us Luddites remain enamored with "four clicks" and "five beans in the wheel" but don't worry, we're dying off at an ever increasing rate. Soon no one will remember real single actions or the old pharts who love them.

YMMV,
Dave
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: RRio on August 10, 2021, 06:42:28 AM
I had one in the shop and made some drop in "safety deletes" for them.  Just remove the pin that holds the spring and plunger in the hammer, remove the spring and plunger, drop in the S.D. and replace the pin to keep it in place. Much cleaner and faster than JB.  It allows you to re-install the safety device if you ever want to sell it or carry it with 6.

Mike
That sir, is a very good idea!   :D
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: 45 Dragoon on August 10, 2021, 10:53:57 AM
Thank you sir!

Mike
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on August 11, 2021, 08:19:28 AM

I personally don't like the idea of a Floating Firing Pin.  Lucky for me, I retired before they became an issue.  I personally wouldn't purchase any SA with a Floating Firing Pin.  I can't comment on the reliability as I haven't heard any documented examples of a failure to fire.

PIETTA.

STUPID People are Hazardous to yer Health
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Virginia Gentleman on November 15, 2021, 10:01:15 AM
I am going to replace mine with a standard hammer etc. 
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: DarkLord on November 16, 2021, 01:37:35 PM
I call it the "Peek-a-Boo" firing pin, because if you look through the frame window of an unloaded Uberti and pull the trigger, the firing pin will peek out, and then retract. 

I think its a VERY slick solution to the problem, and it doesn't bother me in the least.  I bought a stainless Cattleman for my son and it has the Peek-a-Boo firing pin.  He does old west reenactments as his full time job, so that revolver gets nothing but horrendous abuse, and she's humming right along. 

But I get that people want the realism of the originals and there's nothing wrong with that. 
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: lv2tinker on February 02, 2022, 08:49:06 PM
I had one in the shop and made some drop in "safety deletes" for them.  Just remove the pin that holds the spring and plunger in the hammer, remove the spring and plunger, drop in the S.D. and replace the pin to keep it in place. Much cleaner and faster than JB.  It allows you to re-install the safety device if you ever want to sell it or carry it with 6.

Mike
45 Dragoon;
I have S.A. Cattleman II 45 Colt/45 ACP with the RETRACTING FIRING PIN and it was working great for about 200 rounds then I suddenly started getting light primer strikes. Less than half the depth of the previous rounds. Last 6 rounds only one would ignite, the other 5  were lite strikes.
     Took it to the shop, dismantled and cleaned it and found that the Trigger Bar was not pushing the Transfer Bar up far enough to get full firing pin extension but was only pushing it about 1/2 way out resulting in the light strikes. Even took the Transfer Bar out, cleaned & de-burred it, but it appeared to be working properly.
     Could find no wear, broken parts or anything that was causing this. Any ideas/suggesting's, what to look for would be greatly appreciated!

Al
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on February 03, 2022, 08:51:54 AM

 :) Tinker  ;)

First a CAVEAT: I ain't 45 Dragoon.  I'm da odder Mike.  The older better looking one.  It sounds to me as if there is some wear on the op-rod to the firing pin.  My other CAVEAT:  I think the retracting firing pin is STUPID.

Suggest:  Contact Mike Brackett (Da udder Mike) at GoonsGunworks and see if you can source his Safety Delete parts for your SA.  Or:

Contact Taylors & Co. for the parts to retro fit your Cattleman II to the prior Hammer/Trigger/Firing Pin.

Play Safe Out There.  People be Hazardous to Yer Health!!
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: lv2tinker on February 03, 2022, 11:02:23 AM
Thanks, I'll check them out.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: lv2tinker on February 20, 2022, 02:05:58 PM
Thanks, I'll check them out.

Update:

I checked Taylors & Co. for the parts to retro fit my Cattleman II but they were out of stock & were on back-order.

So I got to thinking (should do that more often) what would/could be one of the causes of light strikes??? How about a weak main spring?

So I pulled out my 'ol Trigger Pull Scale & checked out the force it took to chock the hammers on my following Revolvers:

Cattleman II .45/45 APC= 3.5 lbs.   Lots of light strikes, misfires.
Frontier .357 Mag ===== 3.0 lbs.   No misfires but shallow dimples,
Older Uberti .45 Colt === 5.15 lbs.  No light strikes. (Normal dimples).

I swapped the main spring from the Uberti to the Cattleman II and low and behold, it went “bang” every time. 50 rounds of .45 APC, 25 rounds .45 Colt.

Ordered two Main Springs from Taylor's & Company to replace the lighter ones.

And now I’m “Happy as a clam at high tide”.

Lv2tinker
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on March 15, 2022, 03:21:32 PM
Just ordered 2 5.5 Inch 44-40 cattlemen.  If and when they arrive will post how much I like/dislike the look, feel and function of the floating 3 click hammer and what if anything I will do about it.  Thought I was smart staying out of the Taylor Tent at EOT less than a week later on the phone with them what the heck?
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on April 01, 2022, 12:04:14 AM
Took my brand new shiny 5.5 inch cattlemen in 44-40 to the range Wednesday. It has the much maligned floating firing pin. Pistol clocks just fine. Was it 3 clicks or 4 in  I did go boom every time with cci large pistol primesall the excitement I  kinda lost count. It did go boom every time with CCI large pistol primers. Groups centered left and right ab9ut 2 inches low with 6.4 grains of A#2 under a 200 grain desperado bullet. Is it a true authentic 1873 colt revolver. No it just looks like and shoots just fine even with the floating firing pin and only 3 clicks
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: RRio on August 02, 2022, 11:51:53 AM
Abilene!!

Say it isn't so!!  PLEASE!!  That is just SO INSANE!!  Also STUPID.  And DUMB!!  Have Uberti lost their collective minds??

Coffinmaker

In a word... ...YES.    I just bought 2 Pietta that are awesome right out of the box.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on August 16, 2022, 03:58:30 PM
Follow UP  I obtained an older model Uberti with floating firing pin.  The ones with 4 click hammer and slots in the hammer where one can see the strut and some of the other mechanizm in the hammer.  It has functioned flawlessly with my reloads using CCI large pistol primers.  The older pistol hammer cocks noticeably easier than the brand new cattleman II.  It also has a lighter trigger pull.  I did notice when I had the grips off a washer between frame and the mainspring.  Have not had the grips off the brand new gun to see if the washer is user installed or factory.

The new model I received and posted about in this forum was working well until stage 5 of the May match went bang click click click click on both state 5 and 6.  After match I cleaned it really well.  I am guessing some of the Arizona grit got into the firing pin channel of the frame preventing firing pin from properly impacting.   After cleaning the pistol worked flawlessly for 50 rounds fired by 5 different shooters and also worked flawlessly in the June ACSA CAS match.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on July 07, 2023, 12:45:02 PM
Actually have a current production model that intially was a bit unreliable 2 stages ok then to stages bang click click click click.  Was going to send back to taylors but on the off chance it would help cleaned and put a lot of lube on firing pin and hammer hoping drenching the firing pin would also lube the safety mechanism.  Seemed to have worked shot a match and a couple of boxes of ammo without a hick-up.  Also got an older floating firing pin model of the wire. can see the rod etc thru slots in the hammer.  It has a lighter cocking force but has functioned flawlessly.  They both seem to work just fine and was it 3 clicks or 4 in all the excitement I lost count, do you feel so lucky as to stand in front betting on a misfire?
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: 2TM101 on December 31, 2023, 12:08:11 PM
I just got a Cattleman 2 last week.  Its one of the conversion models that uses both .357 and 9mm.  My motivation was that I was going to use Black Powder 9mm in it because I have an unlimited supply of 9mm brass.  Consequently I would not have to clean up a bunch of grimy cases, I could just leave them there and use new once-fired brass for all my loads.

I have no issue with the firing pin - at least not yet.  But my 9mm reloads will not chamber in this thing.  They chamber and fire fine in my Glock 17 (that got some odd looks) but will not seat deep enough in the Uberti 9mm for the cylinder to turn.  Factory ammo seems to be OK but I never use that anymore.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Abilene on December 31, 2023, 04:28:10 PM
I just got a Cattleman 2 last week.  Its one of the conversion models that uses both .357 and 9mm.  My motivation was that I was going to use Black Powder 9mm in it because I have an unlimited supply of 9mm brass.  Consequently I would not have to clean up a bunch of grimy cases, I could just leave them there and use new once-fired brass for all my loads.

I have no issue with the firing pin - at least not yet.  But my 9mm reloads will not chamber in this thing.  They chamber and fire fine in my Glock 17 (that got some odd looks) but will not seat deep enough in the Uberti 9mm for the cylinder to turn.  Factory ammo seems to be OK but I never use that anymore.

Obviously there is an issue with your reloads.  Check to see if the empty brass will chamber okay after sizing.  If not, then maybe there is a bulge in the brass near the base, like it has been fired in a not fully supported chamber.  I had a convertible .45 Vaquero once and turned out it was sensitive to the case length, as the ACP chamber headspaced on the case mouth.  About ten percent of my brass was too long.  Once I figured out that problem, I started measuring the brass length before reloading.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: DeaconKC on January 04, 2024, 07:04:28 PM
2TM101, has thee brass been fired through your Glock previous to this? If so, it will have a bulge at the base of the case. Glocks are notorious for this. You will need a full length resizing die to iron that bulge out. And even though they are carbide, give a spray of lube. Trust me on this.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Major 2 on January 04, 2024, 09:35:34 PM
Ditto to Deacon's statement... I had Glock 17 (note: HAD) don't get me wrong fine gun...BUT
when I tried to reload factory once fired brass, low and behold it would not cycle in my
 P38 or and especially 09 Luger.
I did not have any idea Glocks are notorious for the issue he states... but I soon learned.

I had a choice, buy the Die or not use the brass.
 I had a third option, to trade the Glock off for a Springfield Armory 1911 45ACP Operator and haven't looked back.  :)

I reload my brass, now fired in the two 9MM German pistols & my Frenchy MAB "Pas de problème".
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Tronicst1 on January 05, 2024, 05:20:19 PM
Lee Bulge Buster
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Oregon Bill on February 05, 2024, 11:13:38 AM
Hmmm. Just posted in the Clone forum that my new three-click Uberti Model P is giving quite a few light strikes. Cimarron advises that I am not pulling the trigger correctly. Odd to start pulling triggers incorrectly after 70 years doing it.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Major 2 on February 05, 2024, 01:22:44 PM
Hmmm. Just posted in the Clone forum that my new three-click Uberti Model P is giving quite a few light strikes. Cimarron advises that I am not pulling the trigger correctly. Odd to start pulling triggers incorrectly after 70 years doing it.

Eh  :-\ I saw your other post, and the reply you got from "someone" at Cimarron suggesting "Transfer Bar"? on you Model P....  I'm not accepting that you are "not pulling the trigger correctly" response.

I know Ruger has Transfer Bar's, some Pietta & GW II's do as well.
 Taurus Gaucho's old models & the new ones being reintroduced a Shot 2024 also have transfer bars.
The once Uberti made Beretta Stampede had transfer bars. West German JP Sauer's had transfer bars.
 These are fundamentally different mechanical interference hammer strike functions.   

May be semantics, BUT is that what "they" call the Uberti designed internal hammer floating firing pin ?

I've read where...
* a burr inside the hammer was the issue causing the internals to bind.
* Heavier main spring solved the issue.
* Lube was the answer
or to replace the safety 3 click hammer with the original design 4 click hammer.

I'm glad Cimarron will look to repair your issue.




Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Tronicst1 on February 05, 2024, 02:44:31 PM
Eh  :-\ I saw your other post, and the reply you got from "someone" at Cimarron suggesting "Transfer Bar"? on you Model P....  I'm not accepting that you are "not pulling the trigger correctly" response.

I know Ruger has Transfer Bar's, some Pietta & GW II's do as well.
 Taurus Gaucho's old models & the new ones being reintroduced a Shot 2024 also have transfer bars.
The once Uberti made Beretta Stampede had transfer bars. West German JP Sauer's had transfer bars.
 These are fundamentally different mechanical interference hammer strike functions.   

May be semantics, BUT is that what "they" call the Uberti designed internal hammer floating firing pin ?

I've read where...
* a burr inside the hammer was the issue causing the internals to bind.
* Heaver main spring solved the issue.
* Lube was the answer
or to replace the safety 3 click hammer with the original design 4 click hammer.

I'm glad Cimarron will look to repair your issue.

I had the floating firing pin and replaced the hammer and trigger with one from Taylor's & Co.

https://www.taylorsfirearms.com/shop.html

Works fine and turns your gun from a 3 click to a 4 click as well.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Tronicst1 on February 05, 2024, 02:47:38 PM
I had the floating firing pin and replaced the hammer and trigger with one from Taylor's & Co.

https://www.taylorsfirearms.com/shop.html

Works fine and turns your gun from a 3 click to a 4 click as well.

https://www.taylorsfirearms.com/1873-cattleman-original-style-4-click-parts.html
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Froogal on February 05, 2024, 07:01:53 PM
ALL of my SAA revolvers have the floating firing pin except for the Ruger Vaquero. The only one that ever gave any trouble is the Pietta and it took only about 10 rounds to cause it to misfire. I gerry-rigged the hammer and firing pin to take out the excess "float" and now it works, but I am not happy with it.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Abilene on February 05, 2024, 09:42:30 PM
Okay, I have a problem with the title of this topic.  Despite the topic title, most of the discussion has been regarding the "retractible" or "telescoping" firing pin system, aka the Cattleman II, aka 3-clickers.  The term floating firing pin actually refers to the firing pins in all of the current reproductions, as well as all the Colts other than 1st gen.  They move around a bit, you can wiggle them.  Totally normal.  And they should never cause problems on their own, although Froogal apparently owns an exception to that rule.  So the retractable firing pin safety thingie is not floating firing pin, although it sorta is because it wiggles a little, too, but overall a different animal.  Okay, rant over.  I just cringe a little every time I see the title again.  :)
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Hair Trigger Jim on February 05, 2024, 10:58:58 PM
Eh  :-\ I saw your other post, and the reply you got from "someone" at Cimarron suggesting "Transfer Bar"? on you Model P....  I'm not accepting that you are "not pulling the trigger correctly" response.

I know Ruger has Transfer Bar's, some Pietta & GW II's do as well.
 Taurus Gaucho's old models & the new ones being reintroduced a Shot 2024 also have transfer bars.
The once Uberti made Beretta Stampede had transfer bars. West German JP Sauer's had transfer bars.
 These are fundamentally different mechanical interference hammer strike functions.   

May be semantics, BUT is that what "they" call the Uberti designed internal hammer floating firing pin ?

I've read where...
* a burr inside the hammer was the issue causing the internals to bind.
* Heavier main spring solved the issue.
* Lube was the answer
or to replace the safety 3 click hammer with the original design 4 click hammer.

I'm glad Cimarron will look to repair your issue.

Transfer bar might actually be a good way of describing the function of Uberti's system.  When the action is operated, a bar connected to the trigger rises up into position to transfer the force of the falling hammer to the firing pin, as seen in this video from Uberti:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ecOGRmMtFow (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ecOGRmMtFow)

That is the same function as the transfer bar on a Ruger, but the bar and firing pin are both carried in the hammer, making for a very different appearance.  And yes, the details are certainly different, but I can see why they'd call it a transfer bar.

It's an interesting concept, but it seems to be a challenge to implement, and I'm not sure why they thought they needed it.  Maybe if subcompact 9mm pistols all need to be double-stack these days, they thought an increase in everyday capacity from 5 rounds to 6 would be a big selling point in today's market?
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: RRio on February 06, 2024, 01:32:11 AM
Firing pin enabler?
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Long Johns Wolf on February 06, 2024, 02:18:50 AM
When you were to buy your new Cattleman II at HEGE in Germany they will offer to exchange the hammer/trigger against pieces of traditional production, free of charge.
Long Johns Wolf
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Major 2 on February 06, 2024, 06:12:12 AM




Uberti - Cattleman II - Retractable Firing Pin 
"retractable" or "telescoping" firing pin system,    OK

"Transfer bar "?  :-\


The video does show how pulling the trigger fully thru could affect the function  :-\
It's actually a clever bit of engineering, if functioning as designed.

a headache if it does not.... 
   






   

 
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Hair Trigger Jim on February 06, 2024, 06:56:21 AM
I agree, it's certainly not what we think of!

But it's close enough that I can see why they'd try to call it the same thing.  It's not lying, just dishonest.    ;D
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Oregon Bill on February 07, 2024, 07:54:10 AM
My Model P shot well yesterday -- 40 rounds without an issue. Thinking it might have just needed some breaking in.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: RoyceP on February 07, 2024, 10:22:16 AM
I have Colt SAA's and I have a Uberti with the retractable firing pin system. The Uberti has three clicks, all the Colts have four. I did buy the Taylors hammer and trigger kit for my Uberti. Mine also has the coil spring for the hand. I took the revolver all apart and ended up reassembling it as it was originally. The coil spring was daunting to say the least.

Other than the number of clicks I don't think you would be able to tell any difference.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: RRio on February 07, 2024, 11:57:23 AM



Uberti - Cattleman II - Retractable Firing Pin 
"retractable"

Retractable Firing Pin  -  Yeah!      ;)
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Froogal on February 07, 2024, 12:55:57 PM
Call it retractable, or call it floating. Really make no difference because if it floats too much, or retracts too much, you WILL experience some mis-fires.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Cheyenne Logan on February 07, 2024, 06:06:29 PM
While I admit to not reading every response in this thread, I will say that Uberti has made some models with a "Floating firing pin", mounted in the frame, not the retractable one....Taylors hadd brought them in....I know because I saw some Taylor's revolvers listed on Grab a Gun at a really good price point, but there was something off in the picture.....finally contacted Taylors andf aske dif this particular model had a floating firing pin, mounted in the frame, and was told it was.......not sure they still bring them in, but they were priced good.......they looked like the old Beretta guns.