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Howdy RR and others,

I have a .38 OT (no help there). My other OT is .45 Colt; however it is a 3rd model dragoon converted by Hoofhearted. So, my 6grs. of American Select under a 200 gr bullet feels pretty mild. Given the size of the cylinder, I could probably go much hotter but I use the same load in all my 45's. So the forgoing was probably of little help.

Glad I could participate,

Rev. Chase
The Winchester Model 1876 / Re: '76 Muskets in Hawaii
« Last post by Roosterman on March 25, 2023, 11:50:36 AM »
I like that feller's stripey socks. ;D
The Winchester Model 1876 / Re: '76 Muskets in Hawaii
« Last post by DJ on March 25, 2023, 11:13:12 AM »
Nice photos, Ken.  I always enjoy poring over gun-related historical records.

Here is a photo from the Hawaii Archives of Masonic Temple Squad 5 of the Citizen Guard, Hawaii, taken in 1895.  In a squad of 27 men (and one small boy, who appears to be unarmed), I think I see four Trapdoors, four 1876 Win Muskets, one 1876 Win Carbine, three Sharps-Borchardts, one Mod 1879 Rem Lee, seven full-length magazine Winchesters (I think they're '92s), maybe a couple shotguns, and a few others I can't quite identify.  I feel I should recognize the one tucked under the arm of the gent in the light-colored suit near the center of front row, but just can't quite make it out, although some features suggest a rolling block. 

It looks like it was a fun, "bring your own gun" kind of rifle squad, but a logistical nightmare if it ever came to fighting.
Agreed,  mine was a .44
I have used T.G. for years but now I'll be trying some CFE Pistol  powder.  I'm almost at a thousand rounds in "Beauty and the Beast " ( the original one) and all have been factory rounds.  The rest will probably be  reloads  including the +p's. 
Looking forward to shooting the Dragoons with some "proper " loads !! Lol
And, I meant to say RRio, that load sounds like a good load!!

Spencer Shooting Society / Re: M1865 Burnside Spencer incoming
« Last post by 00-28 on March 25, 2023, 09:56:17 AM »
Hi Shilohdiver, thanks for the compliment. I am just starting out experimenting, googled m1853 Sharps cartridges and found Star and Bullock, ( ). I watched their YouTube video and that gave me an idea of what’s involved in making paper cartridges. I bought one of their loading kits and some .54 cal Richmond bullets. Now the fun begins. I’m getting calipers today because so much is involved in getting this right. Th bullet is too big for the bore, which may be correct, but I don’t know by how much. I remember loading BP pistols and seating the ball, it was tight and left lead shavings when seated. I also need to figure out the load, best black powder, length of chamber, ( I’ll make a cartridge and mark the edge of the chamber ), and I’m sure there will be many more questions to be answered as I go along. That’s why I’m here, hoping to get some advice from the experienced shooters here, and who knows, share what I’m learning along the way. This is a new hobby for me, I’ll see where it leads. Thanks in advance.

Hope I haven’t overstepped my bounds, is it OK to discuss Sharps on this Spencer site. My intention is to share my Spencer when it arrives and discuss a center fire conversion that will soon follow.
1860 Henry / Re: Rebuilt 66 finished!
« Last post by Coffinmaker on March 25, 2023, 09:24:49 AM »
 :) Well . . Well well  ;)

OK everybody.  I shoot lots of 45 Colt rifles.  With BP or Subs, they will all Foul out rather quickly.  UNLESS you take the time to ANNEAL your cases.  Annealing will eliminate Blow-By and the guns will shoot as clean as 38-40 or 44-40.

A few hours of skull numbing boredom and a small tank of propane can and will save big bucks as opposed to re-barreling.

Part TWO:  If you don't want to anneal, simply start out with 44-40 cases.  Carefully run 'em thru 45 Colt dies, load and fire form to 45 Colt.  Seal the chamber right up.  Same same, couple hundred 44-40 cases lots cheaper than a re-barrel job.

Yes Agnes, People ARE Hazardous to Yer Health

Near forgot:  I absolutely LOVE BRASS RIFLES you betcha!!

 :) Oh Goodie Goodie  ;D

Absolutely love this question.  First up, I MUST agree with the Dragoon.  The original 71/72 Open Top cylinders have scary THIN chamber walls.  I have worked on several that had spit the super thin little piece out of the bottom the locking bolt slots.  I have been of the opine, the Uberti 71/72 Open Top should NEVER have been chambered in 45 Colt.  My pair were very early guns and were chambered in 45 Schofield.  Won't accept 45 Colt.  My particular guns were the pair of Open Tops originally sent around to the Scribes when the Open Top was released.

Now we get to get down to the real "Brass Tacks."  I don't like, have never liked, and don't miss Trail Boss.  I have always used TightGroup.  Now the kicker > > > My 71/72 Open Tops are chameleons.  I have fitted .44 Special Cylinders/Barrels and .38 Cylinders/Barrels to my guns.  I no longer shoot smokeless powders, but my Go-To smokeless "was" tightGroup.  These days I shoot APP in everything.  Keeps it real, real simple, and real FUN!!  When I was foolish enough to shoot smokeless, I shot 3.8 to 4Gr TightGroup with 130Gr Barnstormer bullets in Either 45 Schofield cases or C45S cases.  Nice manly "Bark" and low recoil.

Then we have to consider some "other" Open Tops.  I also shoot a pair of Pietta 1860s with Kirst Konverters.  I managed to do something really stupid and ruined my original Kirst cylinders.  I replaced them with the Second 45 ACP cylinders from Kirst.  Some Kind of FUN you betcha.  I load them with Cowboy 45 Special cases with 3f APP and 130Gr Barnstormer bullets, or, 45 ACP cases with 3F APP same same for bullets or 160Gr RNFP.

Yes Agnes, People ARE Hazardous to Yer Health
SCORRS / My new 90's are Awesome!
« Last post by King Medallion on March 25, 2023, 08:23:12 AM »
A couple weeks ago I reported that my 1st 1890 shot real low (8") and left. Yesterday took out 1890 #2 and shot at a steel plate and put the first 3 shots in the same spot! I was floored at how accurate it was. Then shot #1 at the next plate and it did almost as good. I don't know what I was doing wrong the first time out but holy smokes they sure did great today. Got my 2gen colt out and shot a Kieth SWC with BP (these won't fit in the Remington's, too long) and took the neck off a bowling pin! Then proceeded to make that little 4" Bowling pin top bounce continuously out past 35 yards with the Remington's! My smokeless load is 6.6 HP-38, with some 250 gr Rim Rock RN bullets,just loaded it up to get rid of it as that powder doesn't seem to work well in anything else I have. Might have to buy more now. Anyway, enough babble, just wanted to report that these 2 Remington 1890's are awesome shooters. Good thing I got out shooting yesterday, as it dumped 8" of snow overnight and still coming. I get empty brass to play with today.  ;D
Uberti, Pietta and other SAA Clones / Re: What are you shooting in your .45 Open tops?
« Last post by RRio on March 25, 2023, 03:32:20 AM »
I guess I am okay. According to the Hodgdon reloading chart, the MAX load of 6.5 grains with a 200 gr RNFP bullet  is 855 FPS at 11K PSI. I am well below that at 6.0 grains. ;)
Well, I've got a pair of '60 Army's ( Uberti's) that have Kirst 45acp cylinders in them. The first one of the pair was the first 45acp to hit the range for Walt. Since the beginning  ( second trip to the range) I've always included 20 rounds of acp+p 's. It puts a smile on your face  you can't wipe off !!  I don't  do it to test the cylinders, I do it to test the platform.  I built these specifically to be testbeds  for the platform.  I have a Pietta  '60 Army with a Kirst 45C  cyl which I will be testing some "acp" pressure rounds  (21,000 psi) as a testbed specifically  for Pietta's.
 Also, I'll  be sending some +p rounds (23K psi) down range in my Dragoons ( 45C) which also have been fitted with Kirst cylinders.
  So, that's what I have been / will be shooting in my open-top  revolvers. All of these revolvers are set up with close tolerances  with a tight.002" endshake,  corrected arbor length and captured wedge driven in  ( "captured" is a setup I've used for all my wedges and some customers which insures they can't come loose while shooting).

  As far as Uberti's factory '71/'72 Open Top , I have never owned one in 45C  but I've tuned a few and the cylinders  are SCARY thin!! That being the case,  I'm not sure I'd push them to a regular  diet of 21K psi loads ( if at all, even though they are proofed  to about that) mush less 23K!!   But, I'd feel perfectly safe with any tier 1 loads in them.

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