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Special Interests - Groups & Societies => Uberti, Pietta and other SAA Clones => Topic started by: hatman on June 14, 2021, 04:45:42 PM
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I just got off the phone with Shane at Standard Mfg.
He happily took my order for a 5 1/2" one piece grip Single Action in 44-40.
It was about $100 more than their advertised 45 Colts with an 8-10 week lead time.
I'm a happy camper. :)
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You only bought one? For CAS you need two!
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Well I got one in January (7 1/2" 45 Colt). Will that work? ;)
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No, that won't work! Now ya gotta take two different caliber's of ammo! But I'm sure you know the difference twixt the two. Still, better go order another 44-40, to be safe. ;) ;D
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Anything will work. But two different barrel lengths and two different calibers won't work well. You need a third one to break the tie and make a usable pair.
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Ya know, I tried to come up with a counter argument to yours, and so far I can't. :P
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As long as you can tie your shoe laces you should have no difficulty using 2 or 3 calibers to shoot a Cas stage. I have done it with no problem.
wM1
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:) Ah HA !!! ;)
Atz da problem. All my sandals have Velcro Closures. No laces.
People are Still Hazardous to yer Health
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You only bought one? For CAS you need two!
For SASS you need two. Not all CAS
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1 watched a shooter [he loaded his guns next to me] at the SE Regional years ago load his pistol ammo into his rifle. Trouble was they weren’t the same caliber. Beep went off and he was fine until he cycled-or tried to cycle his rifle. 10 misses that quick of course he had a good time. Watched OlHenry shoot a stage at my club once and missed everything with his pistols. When he got to the unloading table he found out why, .44-40s don’t shoot very accurately in a revolver chambered in .45colt, but they will chamber just fine. My first cas guns were all .45colt but I have bought a few in .45 Schofield and .44-40s [1873 and 1866 military rifles] in recent years.
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OK, so here's the REST of the story:
So three weeks after I ordered the 44-40 I got a call from my FFL that the gun is ready for pickup.
I went in Sat am and lo and behold, it's a 45 Colt.
I told my FFL to send it back. (I have enough 45 Colts already.)
I wrote to Standard Mfg (Connecticut Shotgun) explaining the issue and their response this morning was:
Sorry for the miscommunication. We're too busy making 45 Colts and it will be a long time, if ever, before we offer 44-40's.
We'll refund your money when we get the gun back.
Sigh.
But in the larger scheme of life, this is no big deal and otherwise known as a First World problem.
Life is good.
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But in the larger scheme of life, this is no big deal and otherwise known as a First World problem.
Life is good.
For any problem I say, in the big picture this is minor and temporary. If the problem is really big, the picture just has to get bigger. :)
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But in the larger scheme of life, this is no big deal and otherwise known as a First World problem.
Life is good.
Aha! The Zen Budhist Cowboy ...
prf marbles
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" He happily took my order for a 5 1/2" one piece grip Single Action in 44-40.
It was about $100 more than their advertised 45 Colts"
"...Sorry for the miscommunication. We're too busy making 45 Colts and it will be a long time, if ever, before we offer 44-40's."
No miscommunication ...Clearly misrepresentation and an over zealous sale rep....
" ... We'll refund your money when we get the gun back. " THEY bloody well should ???
"... But in the larger scheme of life, this is no big deal and otherwise known as a First World problem.
Life is good.
I'm impressed by your demeanor :) , I consider it refreshing ....
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"We're too busy making 45 Colts . . ."
Yeah I am sure they are cranking out thousands of them.
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"We're too busy making 45 Colts . . ."
Yeah I am sure they are cranking out thousands of them.
That was my paraphrasing, but here is the exact wording from them:
I'm sorry that you were misinformed. We are so oversold on these guns in the regular 45 Colt that we simply don’t have the resources to build them in 44-40 at the current time and won't be able to for a long ways out.
Kinda weird they'd be "so oversold" and yet I received the 45 with an estimated 8-10 week lead time in just over 2 1/2. :-\
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Perhaps it was returned by another misinformed buyer , and so on and so on. ???
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:) It's really quite simple my dear Watson ;)
Standard is struggling to amortize their original investment tooling up to make .45s. I seriously doubt they have even reached "break even" yet and don't wish to admit they can't absorb the tooling cost to make 44-40. And . . . .
PLUS ONE for Pettifogger (tongue stuck firmly in cheek)
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:) It's really quite simple my dear Watson ;)
Standard is struggling to amortize their original investment tooling up to make .45s. I seriously doubt they have even reached "break even" yet and don't wish to admit they can't absorb the tooling cost to make 44-40. And . . . .
PLUS ONE for Pettifogger (tongue stuck firmly in cheek)
Why is it a big cost tooling for 44/40? (askin for a friend ya know) -- guts of the gun is same? all they need is some 44/40 barrel and a chamber reamer ..................did I miss somethin here ?
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....did I miss somethin here ?
I suspect the development and tooling costs of that idiot 22 they came out with probably quashed the possibility of anything new in the single action department, at least for a while.
Dave
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Along with the CNC lease machines they got from USFA , they also must have acquired the ZIP syndrome.
Yeah ....imagine that all roads and doors lead to the long line up for this POS ::)
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At the risk of starting a fight, why are these supposed to be great? Are they better than a 3rd Generation Colt? No dog in the fight here, just curious.
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:) Niederlander ;)
Supposedly, the Standard Mfg. offering is well above 3rd Generation Colt. Trust me, the 3rd Generation Colt is, for the most part, nothing to brag about. Supposedly, the Standard Mfg. offering is on par with the offerings from USFA. Standard does have USFAs "x" machines.
Again, from my frame of reference (Gunplumber - Retired), the Standard Mfg. SA is well made, superbly finished, no better than X-USFA and, like USFA and Colt, require some judicious rubbin and buffin the be truly user friendly and CAS ready. At their price point, THAT is ridiculous.
Money better spent for a Pietta built Great Western II.
:) GREYHAWK ;)
REMEMBER: Tongue stuck Firmly in Cheek?? OOPS, should have included that disclaimer for both entries.
The "Bottom Line." Standard doesn't choose to add anything to their line. We are talking about a fairly small market segment. Competition from more affordable offerings is really beating them up. Simple Math. Compare prices.
Stay Safe Out There
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Standard is pretty much a sideline/backdoor operation of Connecticut Shotgun. CSM is kind of an odd outfit, high dollar bespoke shotguns and the occasional sally into the bottom of the market plastic 22s. The have a reputation as the "Soup Nazi" of gun makers. (No refund for you!) Not sure I fully trust them yet, but I keep an eye on them.
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At the risk of starting a fight, why are these supposed to be great? Are they better than a 3rd Generation Colt? No dog in the fight here, just curious.
For the most part, Standard is a legend In Their Own Mind.
Their marketing department specializedin hyperbole to the point that one would think Standard
Invented the SAA And even the screws!
One early reviewer who dared to speak truth was put on their blacklist and Standard demanded early return
Of the review gun.
Many reviewers were heavily chastised by Standard when they found and reported that the firing pins of the first guns had been bent in order to work properly.
I find their methods disturbing and heavy handed, and the product over rated , especially with regard to the price. The lies of the sales guy taking an order for (and shipping ! ) A 44-40 only add to their poor reputation.
only saving grace is that they are another outfit producing a quality ( if overpriced ) SAA.
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Ah yes ! placed on a pedestal of their own hype
Priced in a lofty and as mentioned " fairly small market segment "
a rabbit hole, We'll see if it survives....
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At the risk of starting a fight, why are these supposed to be great? Are they better than a 3rd Generation Colt? No dog in the fight here, just curious.
Depends on what 3rd gen Colt you speak of. The early ones almost anything was better, more recent productions were really good.
Regarding Standard, I can see a small company wanting to get their return on investment before expanding tooling, etc, to make another caliber. Although how much extra tooling I'm not sure. Do they actually drill and rifle the barrels or outsource barrel blanks since that would be the most involved part in producing other calibers?
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All the 3rd Generations I've seen recently have been really nice pistols. The couple I've shot were great shooters, too.
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I've got 3 of the sxxxxa late 3rds,they are all excellent. But I may just be lucky that way. I handed my 7.5" to Mike Venturino one time, he cycled it, then asked me who had done the action job. When I said it came from the factory that way, he handed it back and told me to buy a lottery ticket.
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I have a circa 2009 3rd Gen. S594XXA
It too is very nice
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I've got a factory fresh S90XXXA on the way. Report will follow.
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If yall have not read my previous postings on Standard you should. Standard will not stand behind their guns. Shane is as bad as it gets. He is lacking in knowledge. Why he is in charge seems a bad management call. There are good people up there but their hands are tied.
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That's kinda the way the shotgun side of the business seems to work. If it goes out the door it must have been perfect. If it's not perfect, it must be your fault.
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This guy says he got a .44-40. WTF?
https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?428712-Standard-Mfg-SAA
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Maybe he's "Special"! Does make you wonder what's going on............
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They did make some. They were supposed to make them but have not continued. A friend did get one. That doesnt change how totally awful they are as a company.
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Hello ,
Drydock , I am the guy with the 44-40 Standard Mfg.
I've had it for 6 months or longer . it is the second one I have .
The first one was in 45 colt , flawless and shoots like it .
The second one is the 44-40 , it now shoots POA and small groups .
Never had a problem with Standard or it's people . Sent the second one back and they fixed the problem .
No problems with either one . They both shoot as good as the look .
Steve