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Special Interests - Groups & Societies => BROW => Topic started by: Marshal Halloway on December 13, 2005, 05:53:16 PM
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Welcome to BROW - Buffalo Rifles of the Old West
our new board and a place to meet, ask question or share knowledge and experiences about long range shooting matches and about the rifles used in the "old days" to harvest buffalo hides.
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Enjoy the board!
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Well, it looks as if I'll have another place to visit.
Thanks Marshal for providing the forum.
Will Ketchum
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This is something I might try to get into - MM seems to have fun doing it and I figure I could give it a try. You'll probably see more of him here though. I'll peruse it.....
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very cool Marshal.
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I have grown to like this part of CAS more and more. No rush to shoot fast but skill in loading, hold, squeeze and sights is important.
SSOOOO much fun to see a target fall wayyy out there. I've used 45-70 and 38-55 for this and it's always fun.
This should be a good board.
Mike
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Thanks Marshal!!! :D
Wow! Big bullets, black powder, and single shot rifles!!! It don't get much better than this! :)
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Dark side ?? I hope there's a place here for us who can't come home smelling of brimstone ::)
Mike
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Thanks alot Marshal. This is something I have been interested in and have always wanted to do. Glad I have a place to ask questions and find things out.
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I'm hoping to learn enough to improve my dismal long range record, the rounds look good in testing, but I think the shooter needs help......Buck 8) :-\ :o ???
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Marshall,
Thanks you once again for supplying us with another board and so fast also.
Black River Smith
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Marshal--- Wow that was quick! Instant new board! Thanks for gettin this rollin so fast, and also to Joss for being moderator. I'm sure we'll all enjoy this.
GW
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I would like to take the time to reassure everyone that is new to the art and science of the buffalo rifle.
I have been playing with these things for better than 12 years now, and I still learn something new every time the Sharps comes out of the safe.
And what works for the Sharps doesn't necessarily work for the Trapdoors, which I also have several of.
So, if you just want to "play with guns" there is nothing better than the big-bore single shots!
Grizzle Bear
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Many thanks Marshal! Your kindness and foresight is truly amazing!!
Like Grizzle Bear said, every time you shoot one of the Big Bores you learn something new, and it only gets better!
Best regards and good shooting!
'Ol Gabe
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Many thanks Marshal! Your kindness and foresight is truly amazing!!
Like Grizzle Bear said, every time you shoot one of the Big Bores you learn something new, and it only gets better!
Best regards and good shooting!
'Ol Gabe
Thanks, but Joss is the one that came up with the idea and I asked him to check the interest. After that, I just hit some buttons on the keyboard. I am glad you all like this new board, have fun and share your knowledge.
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:)
Been known to use a bhps fer long range shoots 45/70, heh, Heh, HEH. ;D
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OOOPPPSIE! Forgot to say "BIG THANKS, JOSS!"
Please pardon my Faux Paux, my feeble brain is still tuckered from shoveling out from under this morning's snow, that was still on top of yesterday's snow that was...ah, you get the idea.
It does makes one wonder at how the Market Hunters ever got their Buffalo hides to the nearest town or Railhead in weather like this. I've read a few articles in hobbyist shooting magazines about them but don't recall anything on how seasonal they were. Did they stop hunting in the winter and hunker down in town or did the higher price for winter hides make it so they had to go out and do the best they could in raw weather?
Old journals and historical books oft-times tell of harsh winters where even a horse-drawn sleigh couldn't get anywhere on the vast Prairie due to the depth and consisitency of the snow, anywhere from knee deep and higher. Folks today will get frazzled when 1/2" of snow falls and they think the whole world is going to shut down, but think about how hard it had to be for the Market Hunters out on the flats or hunkered down in a Willow break on a frozen river going nowhere.
A supply of fresh meat was no doubt 'catch as catch can'. There had to have been times when all they had to eat was Buff roast and hump meat seasoned with gunpowder. Kit Carson's stories of 'Boudiens' (sp?) always sounded interesting. He told of how his fellow Market Hunters made sausages from fresh-killed Buffalo intestines that were turned inside-out, stuffed with chopped hump, heart and whatever other leftover fat they could find, well-seasoned with whatever spices they had and gunpowder, then roasted on sticks over an open fire.
OK, hungry yet?
Thanks again Joss & Marshal, this is great!
Best regards and good reading!
'Ol Gabe
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SCORRS, STORM, ....why not another one; BROW!
I have a gemmerized Pedersoli Sharps with MVA sight, a Browning 40-65 BPCR and an origonal Argentine Roller. A lack of long ranges has kept it short, but we are putting in a 1000yard range and a Sillouette range here in Prince George BC Canada.
BTW, in 1990 I shot in a target rifle match near Montreal. In a separate class, blackpowder, a fellow from upstate NY was firing Mr. Hepburn's rifle from THE Creedmore match! How many degrees of separation?
There are two types of soldiers...Gunners and Targets!
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Thanks Joss and Marshal.
Slim
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Great idea! Thanks, Marshall and Joss.
I have a Shiloh Sharps in 45-70. It is a Gemmer model, and was built with a 28" heavy barrel.
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Reckon this will be a good place to spend some time.
Wes Virginian
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Howdy Y'all,
Not sure if I actually fit in here. I just got a Buffalo Classic from H&R. I got it as a companion (read long range) to my Marlin 1895. Just got a can of Jim Shockey's Gold bp substitute and not sure what loads I could use. Thanks to all.
JPMcCoy aka Amos McCoy from Mississippi
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Buffalo Rifles Of the West BROW, yes, how can i resist? The marshall might ewen wonder why I did not enter BROW at an earlier stage. I`we shot a 40-65 for 5 years, but I have unfortunately sold it to a good friend. He shot 97points at 100 yard with it last
weekend, darn that is just 3 nines out of ten shots. I newer could do better than 96! I`ve got a itch for a new High Wall preferably in 40-65. Used to shoot a 45-70 Sharps to, sold to another friend! This days I am shooting a 54cal Sharps Berdan, replica of course. some of them 59 models might have found their way to the plains and the hunt for hides..?
I`ve got a Spencer rifle on it`s way from Italy to.! And I`ve just got a new replica Colt Root rifle, that is a fun rifle! does any one know if it was ewer used for harvesting buff?
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When we speak of long range here: at how long of a range are these Buffalo Rifle matches shot?
Judge Jake McCord
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Judge, don't hold me in contempt of court if the following is proved wrong, but it is true to the best of my knowledge. ;D Most 'buffalo shoots I've shot in run from around 125 to 400 yards. A regulation long range shoot is shot at 800, 900 and 1000 yards. Silhouette is 200 to 500 meters. There are some shoots around that may even exceed these ranges but not many. A few years ago we shot at a buffalo target(very large) at about 1100 yards in Ackley Ia. By the time your bullet gets out there and the "ding" gets back to your ears, you can just about have time to roll a smoke and have it halfway finished! ;) Good luck in your endeavors.
GW
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Those are good long distances, fer sure, GW. Sounds like it would provide better excuses for missin' than I can come up with on the main match rifle stages! ;D
Judge Jake
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Shockey's Gold seemed a lot more energenic than the real McCoy or Pyrodex to me. My Trapdoor shot erratically too. I went back to the Holy Black. Nice thing about Shockey's Gold is that I could shoot 20 rounds without a patch or brush down the bore. No need for a lube wad either as its a self lubing powder. Ya still need a bucket of water for cases or it'll stain 'em up.
And I still went back to "2f" Black.
BB
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I'm useing sixty grains of 'Cowboy' from Goex with a 405 bullet.Works great on the 200 yard gong.Haven't taken it to a real long distance,yet.
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Nice to find another forum for these rifles. I'm planning on using paper patched bullets in mine.
Michael
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Count me in here too! I just bought a Pedersoli Rolling Block Creedmore(?) no forened cap, but a pistol grip and shotgun butt, 30 " bbl.
Seller says it has incredibly accurate out to 750 yd.s (he hasn't shot it further) Iit comes complete with lee Shaver Soule Sights.
It was a great deal and it is about 50 miles from me.
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Count me in, too.
Charlie, your RB sounds a lot like mine. Mine is a Pedersoli marketed by Dixie Gun Works and they call it a "DGW Black Hills." It has the 30" barrel, pistol grip, tang sight, etc. I think it's really the standard Ped. Long Range Creedmore. One of the fun things about getting a new rifle is growing into it. I think I'll be growing for a long time with this one. I hope she's as accurate as yours (and thanks for the load suggestions).
JD
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Hi
New to the forum and very new to long range BP shooting. In fact so far all I've done is wipe off the excess oil a new gun is shipped with. It's in the safe and looks like a bit of a learning curve goes with this sport so I don't think I'll be able to shoot the side match at The Last Stand in Orlando which I'm signed up for. Lot of extra things I will need to start like a different sight and a spotting scope.
Have been shooting on the dark side for little over a year with single action army's and a Henry. mule eared shotguns yada,yada,
If anyone has any idea's of how I could save any cash on scopes and what type I need I sure would appreciate any advice you could give. Also on what sight is best. Central Florida Rifleand pistol range has a 200 and 300 yard range. I don't think there is a 1000 yd range. The rifle I have purchased is a Sharpes 45/70 1874 bp cartridge from Taylor.
Nice to be associated with the best of CAS.
See ya when the smoke clears
Cherokee Bodie
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Lookin' forward to visitin' here alot in the future.
Long-range buffalo rifles are my sport, kinda like 'em ;D . See ya,
Kid
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I was wondering if to gain "membership" you already need to own a "long range" gun?
basically I quite literally have to get a Sharps! LOL
one, I love the gun
two, my gggUncle fired it at Adobe Walls.
also looking at a falling block, rolling block, Springfield, and Spencer.
yeah, I have problems with rifles. LOL
so can I contribute? I can't believe it took me this long to find this area considering that rifle is the first "extra" expense I'm going to get after I get my basic "duty gear"
oh, and also I was a sharpshooter in the US Coast Guard, shot out engines and such!
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Howdy Y'all,
Not sure if I actually fit in here. I just got a Buffalo Classic from H&R. I got it as a companion (read long range) to my Marlin 1895. Just got a can of Jim Shockey's Gold bp substitute and not sure what loads I could use. Thanks to all.
JPMcCoy aka Amos McCoy from Mississippi
I've got a Buffalo Classic as well. Don't load subs, but, I find 61 Grains (by weight) of Goex Cartridge pushing a Sageoutfitters (www.sageoutfitters.com) Lyman Postell is awsome! I load to 2.92 som I'm just touching the lands and groves.
Also, I mounted a tang sight on mine. I had a friend with a Bridgeport mill (to square everyhting up) drill the tang, put in inserts and mounted a a sight from Track of the Wolf (RS-Creed-5-WE) for $60 bucks.
Considering the whole set-up cost less then $500, it's a great way to get into Buffalo rifle shooting cheap.
Bruce
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Sign me up too pards,
I shoot a Sharp's Texas Rangers Carbine, Springfield Trapdoor Carbine and a Sharp's Deluxe Long-Range Rifle.
Capt Mack
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Hi Ihave been shooting the long range for about a year now . Got a pedersoli sharpes 45/70 Been doing pretty good here at home with it. We shoot from 200 to 800 yds here.We have an anual match in May & have another in the plans later in the year.Still have a lot to learn about this long range. Largo Casey
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Another good place for me to waste time! I've done a bit of silhouette shooting with the Sharps and a few side matches at cowboy action. Even did a couple of mid range (680 yards) shoots. But hunting with the old buffalo guns is my favorite use of black powder and lead bullets. Buffalo with 45/70 and 50 X 2 1/2" and bear and deer with the 50 calibre.
The 45/70 shoots a 522 grain bullet over 70 grs GOEX 2f and the 50 likes a 475 grain slug with 105 grains of 1f Goex.
(http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab91/JKilts/cowboy/45-70target2.jpg)
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Kent Shootwell why I don't believe I could see that group through my bino's by golly! Some fine shooting you bet. 8)
I been itching to take my buff gun on a buff too, just as soon as I get that Pedersoli back from the gunsmiths, I'll start working up loads for a hunt after Christmas.
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Wow! I'm glad to find this section. I love single shot "buffalo rifles" and have a good arm load of them. My pride and joy is an Winchester highwall in 45/70 flat spring. But it's not shinny new. It's the real thing. I have a couple of rolling blocks and trapdoor Springfields - one a 1868 50/70. In modern reproduction models, I have a Uberti highwall, a Pedersoli sharps and Browning hiighwall all in 45/70. In the Cape buffalo class, I have a Henery Martini in 455/577.
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Bibbyman - welcome aboard. Sounds like you have a nice assortment of fine ironware. I shoot a M1868 trapodoor as welll as many others. I really like the .50-70, its a great all around cartridge. I'm kind of fond of the .50s in general. I shoot a .56-50 Spencer and .50-95 M1876 Uberti Winchester too. The 50s are big fun ;D
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I just bought a Pedersoli 1885 High Wall in 45-70. put on Lee Shaver mid range Soule sight, looking forward to testing the rifle as soon as it warms up here. Love the history behind the 1885