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Title: Postal Match
Post by: Lite Colonel on December 02, 2021, 09:56:09 AM
Does GAF still offer the Postal Match?   The GAF website states you can do the Postal Match or do it individually outside of the Postal Match season.   If so, how do I get the correct size targets?
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Robert Swartz on December 02, 2021, 10:03:52 PM
Does GAF still offer the Postal Match?   The GAF website states you can do the Postal Match or do it individually outside of the Postal Match season.   If so, how do I get the correct size targets?


Dart,
....the targets are printable from the webpage. I guess the question are these the proper size for the required distance. If nothing else could be a fun match we could do on our own?
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on December 03, 2021, 05:08:47 PM
If you guys will message me your address, I've got a GAF postal match ready to go.  I can send you targets, rules, etc. to copy.  I'd love to get this started again!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: El Tio Loco on December 03, 2021, 05:35:12 PM
I think this is great, it saves me a trip half way across the country to be beat by all of you.  I'm in!
Ken
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Lite Colonel on December 03, 2021, 06:34:20 PM
I would like to give it a try.  My address is: Dart Liebrandt, 675 East Oak Manor, Columbus, IN 47203
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Major 2 on December 03, 2021, 06:40:48 PM
You know, that might just be the ticket   :D

I'm PM'ing my address
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Robert Swartz on December 03, 2021, 09:32:07 PM
I would like to give it a try.  My address is: Dart Liebrandt, 675 East Oak Manor, Columbus, IN 47203


.....Dart, when you get the targets, I'd love to have some copies of them?
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on December 08, 2021, 01:26:30 PM
Gentlemen, I've sent the targets out to the ones who requested them.  The match is based on the Blunt system, but at 25 yards.  The simulated distances are 200 and 300 yards.  I've also got targets made that simulate 500 and 600 yards, but they are almost exactly the same size as the 200 and 300 yard targets.  I would copy the targets on to fairly heavy weight tan paper, and the larger calibers may take more targets, with less shots per target.  I'd like to have monthly matches, but right now I just want your feedback on what you think of the course.  The directions are included for using the same targets for the pistol course. 

Good shooting and let me know how it goes!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Major 2 on December 08, 2021, 04:33:45 PM
I'll keep an eye out, thanks
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: El Tio Loco on December 08, 2021, 06:29:03 PM
Looking forward to it.  How many folks signed up (I'd like to know where i'll place).
Ken
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on December 08, 2021, 08:41:21 PM
So far there are six of us, but I'm hoping we can get it to grow if you guys like it.
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Quick Fire on December 09, 2021, 02:07:45 PM
You can count me in Dale, I'll pm you my address
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on December 10, 2021, 12:15:37 PM
Got yours ready to go as soon as I get an address.
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Baltimore Ed on December 10, 2021, 03:56:11 PM
I’ll give it a try.
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: pony express on December 12, 2021, 07:08:38 PM
PM incoming with my address.

What's the time frame for returning targets?
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on December 13, 2021, 09:55:53 AM
Sent out the latest batch of targets and info.  I'm going to try to shoot it by the end of the year, but let's figure on sending me your results by the end of each month.  Just send me pictures of the targets if you don't want to put them in the mail.  The course as I wrote it up is a total of twenty rounds on the 200 yard targets and twenty rounds on the 300 yard targets.  We could try just the 200 yard ones if you don't want to expend as many rounds.  The instructions mention a fee, but don't worry about that for now, at least until we figure out if this works.  Looking forward to seeing how it works!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Snake Oil on December 13, 2021, 06:32:55 PM
I'd love to join in, but no rush if you are building another list!

I sent a pm with my address.

Thank you all for getting this started!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on December 13, 2021, 07:09:56 PM
Me "building a list" is just writing down who's interested in a notebook!  I'm extremely low tech.  I should get yours in the mail tomorrow.
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: El Tio Loco on December 13, 2021, 08:50:41 PM
I received my target packet today.  Looking forward to this, but I vote that we shoot twenty rifle for the first time, five rounds at each position.  Now to figure out what rifle and pistol combo I should use.
Ken
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Pitspitr on December 14, 2021, 08:17:29 AM
Hindsight being what it is, we goofed by not pushing this harder during the pandemic pause
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Lite Colonel on December 19, 2021, 10:22:27 AM
I got the packet and targets.  Shot it following the directions and mailed the targets back.  It was fun.  I found out how much fun/challenge it is at the age of 66 to into and change the shooting positions.  Getting old, but enjoyed it.  I made copies of the instructions/targets and gave them to Dewayne Liebrandt and Rex Young, plus I have one for Bob Swartz.
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: El Tio Loco on December 19, 2021, 06:25:21 PM
I finished shooting the match today.  It is a lot of fun but I don't remember getting into the different positions being so difficult.  The last time I shot in a high power match was a few years ago.  You would think that with all the rest I have been getting this would be easy.
I emailed the targets to Niederlander and looking forward to another one.
Ken
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on December 19, 2021, 07:13:35 PM
I feel ya', Ken!  It hurts my neck to be in prone, and I don't remember kneeling that difficult to get into.

 A note on how I'm scoring targets:  Since we're shooting reduced scale targets, often with pretty big bullets, I use the center of the bullet hole to score the shot.  I'll always give the higher value if it's close. 
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on December 20, 2021, 03:23:03 PM
I've already got results from five shooters, myself included.  Keep 'em coming!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on December 30, 2021, 07:46:51 PM
Remember, tomorrow, the 31st is the last day to get in the December Postal Match.  So far I've got results from seven shooters.  I'll post the results next weekend when I'm back from vacation.
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Major 2 on December 31, 2021, 11:36:25 AM
Gents, the range where I could shoot 25 yards or greater, allow for bench (as shown or standing)
Prone or kneeling is not allowed.

My home gallery is 15-yard Max.
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Tascosa Joe on January 01, 2022, 12:01:28 PM
Major, Just shoot from your kitchen, your wife wont mind, :o
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: pony express on January 01, 2022, 10:53:40 PM
I got my targets already, but have had no time to shoot yet.
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Drydock on January 02, 2022, 06:43:30 AM
Waiting for the last deer hunters to clear the woods here. 
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on January 02, 2022, 07:16:44 AM
We can extend it by a week this time.  I won't be back in town to figure the results until Friday/Saturday anyway.  Remember, FABULOUS prizes are in play here!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Robert Swartz on January 02, 2022, 09:49:44 AM
I got my targets already, but have had no time to shoot yet.

....same here. It's wet, cold and muddy as F-+$. Sent a pm, I'll throw a couple bucks in an envelope for the targets. Until I can go to the range or my buddy's place. Otherwise, nowhere to safely shoot.
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on January 10, 2022, 08:00:16 AM
Gentlemen, I was out of town last week and sort of lost track of some stuff.  Did everyone that wants them get the target packets?  I'll figure and post the results for December today, and if you haven't shot yet I'll just put you in January's match. 
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on January 10, 2022, 06:41:35 PM
Gentlemen, Here are the results of the December Postal Match.

Rifle
1. Dale Beethe - 83
2. Dart Liebrandt - 80
3. Ken Claverie - 80
4. Coy Wolf - 75
5. Michael Fellow - 72
6. Jack Bursovsky - 56

I use the different positions as tiebreakers, in order of Standing, Kneeling, Sitting, and Prone.

Pistol
1. Dart Liebrandt - 90
2. Dale Beethe - 81
3. Ken Claverie - 80
4. Coy Wolf - 76

Great job, Gentlemen!  Hopefully we'll have more shooters in January!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: El Tio Loco on January 10, 2022, 07:17:00 PM
Great job Niederlander!

What rifle/pistol did everyone use?  And what is everyone's aliases? 

Same course for next month?
 
Thanks for doing this.
Ken
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on January 10, 2022, 08:51:33 PM
Same course this month!  Don't know about everyone else, buy I used an 1898 Krag rifle and a Single Action .45.
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Snake Oil on January 10, 2022, 10:42:48 PM
Michael Fellow "Snake Oil" 1896 krag carbine and 1899 s&w

Thank you Niederlander for the chance to shoot!!

Let's see if I can move up a bit now!  Might even try some different pairings... good reason for some new fun!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: El Tio Loco on January 10, 2022, 11:21:20 PM
Ken Claverie "El Tio Loco".

I used a H&R Officers Model with a Uberti Cavalry SAA .45.

Looking forward to the January match. 

Ken
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: DeaconKC on January 11, 2022, 11:00:59 AM
This sounds fun, where are the rules?
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on January 11, 2022, 12:04:03 PM
PM me your name and address and I'll send you everything to get you started.
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: DeaconKC on January 11, 2022, 02:29:39 PM
PM sent, thank you!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Lite Colonel on January 12, 2022, 11:25:23 AM
This is Dart Liebrandt, alias is Lite Colonel.  I shoot a Pedersoli reproduction 1873 Springfield Trapdoor carbine in 45-70, and an Uberti reproduction 1875 Schofield revolver in 45 Colt.  Both calibers loaded with black powder.  It was a lot of fun to shoot.  I plan to shoot the postal match in January.
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: El Tio Loco on January 13, 2022, 07:51:30 PM
Good Shooting Lite Colonel!
It is always nice to hear what pairing other folks are using to shoot this.  Next time I think I will shoot my Krag and Colt New Service, or maybe go earlier and shoot it with my Colt Navy and Spencer.  It makes me go out and shake some of the dust off these old relics and give them a go.
Niederlander, can a competitor just shoot the Rifle or Pistol portion of the match? 
Again, fun match and thanks for putting this on.
Ken
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on January 13, 2022, 09:00:23 PM
Yes, you can shoot either rifle, or pistol, or both!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Pitspitr on January 14, 2022, 06:13:04 AM
In the past, when I was running it (ancient history) we even allowed you to make multiple entries.

Whether we do that now or not is up to Col. Niederlander
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Major 2 on January 14, 2022, 06:46:05 AM
Yes, you can shoot either rifle, or pistol, or both!

This enlightenment changes things, I can easily compete in the pistol part of match (I have that distance at the home gallery :))

I'll use my 45 SAA
and if allowed to make multiple entries I'll use my S&W Russian 
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on January 14, 2022, 12:44:06 PM
As far as multiple entries, I'm only going to count one entry per month.  (Otherwise, we could have one shooter win 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.)   I think we will add an Expansion Era class, though. 

I may address this again in the future, but for now we'll stick with one.  (You all may have noticed this is still evolving.  You never know, I may be able to talk the General into letting this count towards earning your GAF Marksmanship Medal........)
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Pitspitr on January 14, 2022, 02:27:33 PM
Oh, it already does:
"The preferred and recommended method to achieve a Marksmanship Award is to shoot a specified course of fire that is essentially based on the Army qualifications from the 1880s, but at a reduced-sized target at reduced ranges to accommodate the modern shooter. This course of fire may be completed either independently at any time convenient to the member, or through competition in the semiannual GAF postal match, achieving a score of at least 85% of the total possible score."
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on January 14, 2022, 02:38:37 PM
Cool!  So, do we have to hit 85% once, or as an average?
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Snake Oil on January 15, 2022, 07:38:37 AM
Does that include precision pistol and rifle at local skirmishes then too?
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on January 31, 2022, 09:05:16 AM
Gentlemen, Due to the winter weather some of you have been dealing with, I'm going to extend the time limit for the January Postal Match to February 6th.  If you've already shot it, feel free to re-shoot if you want to.  Once weather improves, we'll get back to the deadline being the last day of the month.
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on February 07, 2022, 10:56:51 AM
Gentlemen, We only had three shooters for the Postal Match in January.  That's really not that surprising since it's....well......JANUARY!  Hopefully, we'll have more this month.  Results for January are as follows:

Rifle - Ken Claverie - 85
          Dale Beethe - 79
          Jack Bursovsky - 71

Pistol - Dale Beethe - 80
           Ken Claverie - 77

Get out there and shoot!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Lite Colonel on February 08, 2022, 08:21:10 PM
Well, I just shot the February postal match (02/08/2022).  It was fun.  The weather was 35 degrees F and with 3 inches of snow on the ground.  Pistol was a repro 1875 Schofied in .45 Colt, and the rifle was a repro 1873 Springfield Trapdoor carbine in 45-70 - both loaded with black powder.  The targets will be in the mail tomorrow.  Unfortunately I was not able to shoot the January postal match due to a lot of family commitments.
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on February 08, 2022, 09:30:53 PM
Great to hear!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: El Tio Loco on February 08, 2022, 09:54:28 PM
Good deal Lite Colonel, thanks for sitting out January, gave us mortals a winning chance. 
I shot the January match with a Colt New Service and a 1898 Krag Rifle.  The February match, hopefully, will be shot using a 1858 Remington reproduction and a Pedersoli paper cartridge Sharps carbine.
Ken
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on February 20, 2022, 07:44:41 PM
Gentlemen, You've got eight days to shoot the February match!  Two of us took advantage of the beautiful weather today, although my scores were NOT so beautiful.  Great reason to be outside, though!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on February 26, 2022, 09:16:42 AM
Two days left to shoot.  Lot's of fun, gentlemen!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: DeaconKC on February 26, 2022, 09:18:59 AM
Been crazy here. Hope the range is free of ice by Monday to get this in!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Major 2 on February 26, 2022, 01:17:35 PM
I'll get to this, I planned to get mine in, but decided to lay low on my home range,
after the neighbor actually hit my house from 1300 feet away with 9mm.
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on February 26, 2022, 04:15:16 PM
Not sure I even want to know how that happened..........
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Major 2 on February 26, 2022, 05:22:06 PM
 Combination of bad luck, stupid luck and loose nut on the trigger.

The loose nut and his buddy were target shooting in his back pasture.
 The round traveled off his acreage, across & through the wooded & vacant 5-acre track behind his place
cross the road, and 300 feet of my semi wooded acreage, hitting the Bay window. (Distance is 1300 feet)
The spent round & jacket were found on my window seat.

Sheriff report says no malice intended after interviewing him just a dumb ass,
 So, the guy said he'd pay damages, about $700.
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on February 26, 2022, 06:11:33 PM
Just glad the dumb ass didn't end up hurting anyone.
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Major 2 on February 26, 2022, 07:00:44 PM
Ditto
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: El Tio Loco on February 26, 2022, 11:18:32 PM
Well I am getting there.  I shot the pistol portion today and tomorrow I hope to shoot my carbine.   
Ken
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: pony express on February 27, 2022, 08:24:35 PM
I was planning to shoot today, but after church first I fed the cows, then started cutting and splitting a couple of ash borer killed trees, and next thing you know-it's getting dark. Well, there's always next month!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Pitspitr on February 28, 2022, 06:38:39 AM
Combination of bad luck, stupid luck and loose nut on the trigger.

The loose nut and his buddy were target shooting in his back pasture.
 The round traveled off his acreage, across & through the wooded & vacant 5-acre track behind his place
cross the road, and 300 feet of my semi wooded acreage, hitting the Bay window. (Distance is 1300 feet)
The spent round & jacket were found on my window seat.

Sheriff report says no malice intended after interviewing him just a dumb ass,
 So, the guy said he'd pay damages, about $700.
Wow
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on March 01, 2022, 02:33:50 PM
February Postal Match results are as follows:
 Rifle
1. Ken Claverie - 86
2. Dart Liebrandt - 83
3. Dale Beethe - 80
4. Coy Wolf - 77

Pistol
1. Dale Beethe - 87
2. Dart Liebrandt - 82
3. Ken Claverie - 80
4. Coy Wolf - 70
5. Al Weaver - 68

March is here, so we can start shooting for this month's match!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on March 26, 2022, 04:13:48 PM
Gentlemen, You've got until the 31st to shoot the March Postal Match.  I went out and shot today.  Let's just say I can use some practice!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: El Tio Loco on March 27, 2022, 04:12:41 PM
Niederlander, I will send you my targets for March later today or tomorrow.  The match is always fun to shoot and I am surprised that more folks don't shoot it. 
It would help if I had better zero's before I put one down for record, but by the time I put 20 holes in the target I have a pretty good idea where my guns shoot.
This time I shot my Company G, 12th Illinois Cavalry carbine and my 8th US Cavalry SAA.  Fun stuff!
Ken
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on March 28, 2022, 07:38:05 AM
I always enjoy it, even if I don't shoot particularly well.  It's great motivation to practice more!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Lite Colonel on March 29, 2022, 07:50:06 PM
I shot the March postal match today (March 29) and will mail the targets tomorrow (March 30).  It was 40 F and windy, looking forward to warmer weather.  This month has been very busy with the 2022 NCOWS National Convention.
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on March 31, 2022, 06:58:50 AM
Last day to shoot the March match, Gentlemen!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on March 31, 2022, 10:45:42 AM
Sn*w on the ground here.  ::)

Slim
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Sam Perfye on March 31, 2022, 04:13:41 PM
Put mine in the mail Mon. Dale's right, need more practice.
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on April 02, 2022, 04:12:11 PM
March Match results are as follows:

Rifle
1.  Dale Beethe - 82
2.  Dart Liebrandt - 79
3.  Al Weaver - 74
4.  Ken Claverie - 67

Pistol
1.  Dale Beethe - 88
2.  Dart Liebrandt - 85
3.  Al Weaver - 74
4.  Ken Claverie - 69

You gentlemen want me to start putting the scores up as well?
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: El Tio Loco on April 02, 2022, 07:41:54 PM
I'd like to see everyones scores. 
I see it took 3 of you guys to beat me this time. 
Ken
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on April 02, 2022, 10:28:13 PM
Done!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: Niederlander on April 28, 2022, 07:01:55 AM
Just a few days to get your Postal Match shooting done for April, Gentlemen!  Remember, you can e-mail me pictures of your targets so I can score them.  Saves postage!
Title: Re: Postal Match
Post by: El Tio Loco on May 02, 2022, 10:48:27 AM
Well there is always May.  April was a hectic month. 
I should have been practicing the whole month of April so I could jump into the May match in top shape. 
Ken