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The Longbranch / Re: gunoholic
« Last post by Professor Marvel on Today at 05:11:25 AM »Tiz homeHippo Birdy Two Ewes!Happy B'day to me
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The Darksider's Den / Re: We're not at the grocery store, but "Paper or Plastic"
« Last post by Abilene on Yesterday at 10:52:52 PM »Since I already voted, it won't let me vote again for brass shells. But I also don't use them very often these days, partially because they slow me down on loading into the SxS (no crimp), and they don't always eject as well. I know some of that is the old Rem-UMC hulls needing to be annealed, because even though they go in round, the mouth is a bit out of round after firing. However, Mako (with one dorsal) I have not had any problems with lack of oomph out of my brass loads.
But I do still like shooting the all brass at times. My reloading has been split between two locations with limited time for a while now, but that is changing as I get things consolidated and moved over the next year, so hopefully will get some more brass loading done. I've also got a lot of Alcan brass hulls, which are thicker than the REM-UMC / Winchester / Magtech but not as thick as RMC. They use a Remington 57-style primer (I think that's it) that looks like a 209 but is smaller. Fortunately I have a couple thousand of those. One problem I have with those is that a lot of them 2.5" but some are different lengths up to about 2.75". When firing them, I have to pay attention that I'm shooting the longest ones first, followed by shorter, or they will stick in the chamber from prior fouling. They need to be all trimmed to 2.5" but I have no way to do that.
Mako, yes the RMC hulls are the machined ones with the same internal dimensions as a plastic hull and use 209's. They're still around, last I looked those were about $8 each. I have a half dozen of them but don't use them much any more because the primer pockets are so tight that priming and depriming are both very difficult.
But I do still like shooting the all brass at times. My reloading has been split between two locations with limited time for a while now, but that is changing as I get things consolidated and moved over the next year, so hopefully will get some more brass loading done. I've also got a lot of Alcan brass hulls, which are thicker than the REM-UMC / Winchester / Magtech but not as thick as RMC. They use a Remington 57-style primer (I think that's it) that looks like a 209 but is smaller. Fortunately I have a couple thousand of those. One problem I have with those is that a lot of them 2.5" but some are different lengths up to about 2.75". When firing them, I have to pay attention that I'm shooting the longest ones first, followed by shorter, or they will stick in the chamber from prior fouling. They need to be all trimmed to 2.5" but I have no way to do that.
Mako, yes the RMC hulls are the machined ones with the same internal dimensions as a plastic hull and use 209's. They're still around, last I looked those were about $8 each. I have a half dozen of them but don't use them much any more because the primer pockets are so tight that priming and depriming are both very difficult.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: We're not at the grocery store, but "Paper or Plastic"
« Last post by Mako on Yesterday at 10:00:40 PM »I shoot brass from Rocky Mountain Cartridge. I have a side by side, they work great. I also appreciate anything I can reload using a stick with a nail, a mallet and another stick. Use 80 grains of ffg black powder, card, wad, lead shot, and card. Usually top the card with some white glue.Mogorilla,
You didn't vote, neither did Coffinmaker (one wurd). We have two Brass shell users who need to be proud of their Luddite tendencies!
I have probably a hundred brass shells, but I don't use them except for show because they hang up on loading and give weaker results without a good crimp. I saw some of them a week or two ago and thought about cleaning them up and selling them except for one box, I think 3 boxes have never been used or opened.
All in jest... but please vote above.
- Have you ever considered crimping the mouth with a tool like the RCBS die set? I don't know anyone who does that and I always wanted to ask how well that worked and whether or not the crimp "opened up".
- Do you anneal your brass if you do?
- Do your shells use 209 primers or Large Pistol?
- I'm not familiar with those shells, are they the ones turned on a lathe?
- If it doesn't ruin the shot column getting out and I might consider Brass shells again, but I would want to build the column height up to actually use the crimp to contain the load and build pressure.
- I'll bet you get lower velocities with 80 grains that we can get out of a plastic wad or fiber wad in a star crimped or roll crimped plastic hull with 40-50 grains. I don't need more fire or smoke I already use Fg just for that.
- My experience with Brass hulls is that about half of the powder is ejected out the front with less flame and a lot of unburned powder lying on the ground.
- I've tried all kinds of glues and even got some water (sodium silicate) since I was told that was the answer. I didn't notice better result than a wood glue or Duco cement.
Maybe I'll add Brass shells to my list of things to try again.
~Mako
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The Darksider's Den / Re: .45 Cowboy Special
« Last post by Mako on Yesterday at 09:26:45 PM »And Coffinmaker is ONE WURD!! Take That
Oh wow!! Mako is one wurd too, we must be related.
~Mako
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The Darksider's Den / Re: .45 Cowboy Special
« Last post by Coffinmaker on Yesterday at 04:39:15 PM »
WHAT?? Curmudgeon?? Extraordinaire?? Why Sir, I'll have you know I strongly RESEMBLE that. 
So There. And I prefer STONE wheels 
And Coffinmaker is ONE WURD!! Take That Which brings about one of my Buggaboos and annoyances whilst practicing the Dark Art of Gun Plumbing. RUGER. Purportedly the most superb of superb of Single Action tools. Hornswagel. I never met a Ruger I liked. Ruger be famous, or infamous for delivering their marvelously magical Vaqueros with grossly undersize throats. In any caliber. What crap. They ALL needed the throats reamed.
Hummmmm. Plastics. Really?? Plastics. I Am Reviewing The Situation (Stoled famous movie line). Burma Shave
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The Darksider's Den / Re: .45 Cowboy Special
« Last post by Mako on Yesterday at 04:16:19 PM »Does anybody know what the throats would be on a .45 ACP cylinder?
The reason I ask is because my 3rd Gen Colt's regular .45 Colt cylinder has .455 - .456" diameter throats. If the .45 ACP has .451 - .452" throats I bet the Cowboy Special could be a tack driver.
Lonesome and the rest,
I have been cooling my heels and perusing files on my computer and posts from over a decade on this site, I found my information on the Gen 1 Colt I have.
I don't remember the topic anymore it might have been a discussion about Conversion Cylinder dimensions, but I was measuring bores and cylinders. That cylinder will pass a Ø.455+ gauge pin but not a .456. The grove diameter is definitely Ø.454 as measured on those two balls, the land diameter would accept a Ø.442- pin all of the way through, but the Ø.442+ pin was tight and stuck after about 1 inch.
That's my revolver, it is a "family gun". It was made in 1896 and is not marked as a Smokeless "approved" frame. 1896 was the "transition" year. However, it does have the push button cylinder pin release. I have heard arguments and read a couple of books considered to be the authority on SSAs that the buttons started to replace the screws as early as 1892 and was phased in as Colt's had their frames already set up one way or another.
So, I guess my point is that the older Colts used to be relatively tight in the throats considering they used Ø.454 bullets. It seems the modern revolvers S&W and Colt's actually often have looser throats compared to the original revolver it was chambered in when you considering the bullets were Ø.454 back then. A Ø.455 throat to a Ø.454 bore is about as perfect as you could ask for.
~Mako
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The Darksider's Den / Re: .45 Cowboy Special
« Last post by Mako on Yesterday at 02:37:15 PM »:)Hey !!
So how is it then, when we swage a Round Ball down in the Chamber, well sub bore diameter, the stupid thing will group just fine. Shooting just as accurate as most suppository shooters. Atz Oxymoron. Really. So, why don't we just skip ALL of this super technical fecal matter and just load Roun Ball in our Suppository Shooters???
Harrumpff
Spoken like a true Moss Back... a Curmudgeon extraordinaire... Our Coffin Maker.
When you only get a contact patch like this on these two Ø.454 (or Ø.457, I can't remember now) Balls driven down the barrel of a a Gen 1 SAA you can get away with almost anything. I'll look up the diameters when I get home. That was 12 or 13 years ago.
The only man I know who uses iron Banded wheels on his truck instead of a pneumatic tires.
And you are correct, there are a few variables. The Throat probably being number one and the groove diameter being number two in importance.
"There's a great future in plastics. Think about it. Will you think about it?"
~Mako
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The Longbranch / Re: gunoholic
« Last post by Major 2 on Yesterday at 12:20:40 PM »Tiz home Happy B'day to me 
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The Darksider's Den / Re: We're not at the grocery store, but "Paper or Plastic"
« Last post by Major 2 on Yesterday at 11:53:18 AM »Last time I was in Baltimore I swung by the grocery store to pick up some Tastycake pies and had to pay .05 each for the 2 paper bags I needed. Baltimore County’s silliness. FYI.
Gotta pay for the Bridge some how
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The Darksider's Den / Re: .45 Cowboy Special
« Last post by Coffinmaker on Yesterday at 11:22:47 AM »:)Hey !!
As has been alluded to above, there can be/are certain relationships that have to be consider when one is selecting one's particular projectile. Principle of course, the the relationship of the Cylinder Chamber Throat to Bore (groove diameter). This comes especially to the forefront when considering lead projectiles. With out knowing the specific bore diameter, bullet selection becomes a "crap shoot"
Also of huge importance are the chamber Throats. Primary purpose of the throat is to maintain bullet alignment from the cartridge to the bore. The problem enters when the throat is sub bullet/bore diameter. After one determines Bore, then a projectile, half a thou or a full thou over groove diameter is recommended. Then the Throat should be the diameter of the projectile perhaps plus half a thou. If the throat is sub-size, it will first act as a tiny "bore obstruction" boosting chamber pressure and increasing "felt recoil." Then the Throat swages the bullet to that sub size and the bullet just kind of rattles down the bore, increasing leading and contributing to inaccuracy. Usually.
So how is it then, when we swage a Round Ball down in the Chamber, well sub bore diameter, the stupid thing will group just fine. Shooting just as accurate as most suppository shooters. Atz Oxymoron. Really. So, why don't we just skip ALL of this super technical fecal matter and just load Roun Ball in our Suppository Shooters???
Harrumpff
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