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GENERAL TOPICS => Tall Tales => Topic started by: Leo Tanner on December 02, 2008, 05:09:06 PM
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This started somewhere else but is kinda innerestin. The gubberment should love it :o Not everybody likes ta be fed with a spoon, some of us like ta dig in with a fork an knife
This one may be hard ta take, but research shows the Japs were ready ta surrender after the relenless fire bombing of Tokyo. The papers were already drafted before either of the A-bombs dropped. The Enola Gaye's mission was ta show the rest of the werld what we could do even though it was unnecessary. I aint sayin they didn't deserve it, but most have been told a differnt story as ta how we avoided a costly Marine invasion. We sure skeered the piss outta a lot of countries, but the napalm and phospherous had already done the job as far as the war went.
Leo
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The military was afraid of the amount of casualities that would occur if the US had to invade Japan. They felt that the Japanese would fight in every part of the country. The A bombs were used instead of the invasion and they saved the lives of thousands of miltary people that would be wounded or killed in a full-scale invasion of Japan.
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I've heard they wanted terms, took the rest to get rid of the terms. If they were really ready to surrender why did they not do it, why did it take so dern long? Just a rumor started by the "Americans are Bad" groups that like to make the whole US look bad.
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Well, based on those two replies we can call that one debunked.
Personally I don't believe there ever would have been a land invasion. The air attacks had become a turkey shoot by that time. Folks weren't sayin America was bad back then, we'd saved too many butts. I see credibility in the idea that we had ta make a statment that said "NOBODY EVEN GET THE IDEA OF PULLING THIS CRAP AGAIN". Think about it. Hirohito was really starting to question his advisors once he realized that there were no gods that would forever thwart invasion of any sort on their little island. The devine wind of the Mongolian attempt was a fluke of weather, and we had made that apparent.
Leo
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One must also remember, we knew Japan and Germany both had nucler projecs too, we new we had Germany's taken care of, we also knew Germany had transfered some to Japan. How much and how far along they were was a crap shoot. For everyone who thinks what we did was wrong, should think about what would have happened if either of them had got it first.
For that reason alone we would have had to invade.
And one must remember, after the first one it took a second three days later to get them to give up. Never heard anything that said they got on the air waves, and said, "We Give Up, Don't Drop Another One." :)
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Hi Y'all,
During those last few days in Japan there were coups and counter-coups, failed overtures, in other words, the very picture of a govt in free fall.
One of my favorite conspiracies is that Truman told Stalin at Potsdam we had an A-bomb that worked, but Stalin refused to believe him. So, Truman arranged a practical demonstration. Why not invite the Rooskies to Los Alamos? 1. You don't invite your next potential adversary to your most secret base where the demo may or may not work. 2. The conspiracy doesn't work if you do.
Thanks,
Digger
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but then along came Korea, and instead of droppin anything big, they drew a line in the sand, 38th paralle, every thing since that time has come at the price of drawing the line, everybody keeps trying to push our line a little further back, Russia with the missle crisis in early 60's, we were a heartbeat away from both sides goin at it. several times through the last 60 years, should we have won something instead of just being satisfied with what we got.
I ain't sayin it wasn't the right thing to do at the time, but, will it end with our new President or maybe not him but another on down the line just giving things away without the line in the sand being drawn.
seems like we've come a long way on the wrong street.
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Keep in mind, I didn't say we did anything wrong. All I'm saying is that it is a world leader's job ta look inta the future upon every decision. Germany didn't get the hammer, plenty of men were sacrificed on the way there, a string of islands way out in the south Pacific did. Good way ta study the after effects without destroying an international center of commerce. Japan had kept themselves isolated from western dealings to this point (other than the business with hitler).
I guess you could say I'm just playing devil's advocate here, I'm certainly no hippie, I just like hearing what you all have to say on matters that have been bounced around throughout history.
Leo
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Hi Y'all,
Concerning Korea, we now know that after he was elected Eisenhower, you know, the guy who put Hitler in his grave, sent Mao a personal note instructing him that this war was over or he, Eisenhower, would personally come kick his, Mao's, ass with atomic weapons. The Chinese were at the bargaining table before Eisenhower was sworn in.
Digger
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The Japanese needed oil to run their war machine. There was a large amount of oil in the Indonesia and Micronesia and they decided to take it. They had to get the American Pacific Fleet out of the way to accomplish this. The attack on Pearl Harbor was a plan to destroy the entire Pacific Fleet. The carriers were not in Pearl Harbor which was lucky. The Japanese had assumed that the carriers would be there. The battleships weren't the threat to them like the carriers were. They had planned to destroy the US carriers in order to have complete control of the Pacific ocean.
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Wich leads ta another widely bounced around theory. The one that says FDR knew about the Pearl invasion well in advance an let it happen ta get us out of the Depression and give us a reason ta declare war on Germany shortly after. The folks behind this one site the carrier menuvers on that day as evidence that it was not a surprise. They say it's too much of a cooincidence.
I don't buy it cause even if Roosevelt had ulterior motives he and the joint cheifs would have found ways to have the rest of the fleet more prepared and still been able to say, "hey, they attacted us" with much fewer casualties. He didn't keep this country going fer 4 terms by doing things like allowing the destruction of men who had sworn to protect it as well as the ships we needed to go to war. Still, there is a large contingancy of folks who believe it.
Leo
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Roosevelt was well aware of the coun try still being in a Depression. The US had been helping England indirectly with the Lend-Lease policy of lending them old surplus WW1 destroyers to supplement the British Navy. They also allowed US pilots to fly for the RAF during the Battle of Britan. I don't the US diplomats really believed that Japan would attack the US. The attack on Pearl Harbor enraged the people in America that war was declared against Japan the next day. The US concentrated on the Pacific theater at first because the Pacific Fleet was almost wiped out and the west coast was a prime candidate for invasion. The Japanese had agents operating inHawaii prior to the attack and had made detailed plans of Pearl Harbor. The Japanese believed that the Aircraft Carrier was the main Naval weapon and not the Battleship. The attack on Pearl Harbor proved how vunerable the Battleship was to aerial bombardment and torpedo attacks.
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Don’t think the Japs did the job well enough. After several successful engagements, the repaired West Virginia would be in Tokyo Bay when the surrender was accepted aboard the Missouri. Why in the blue hell they didn’t conduct the business of surrender aboard WV is way outtah my pay grade. I’d ah rubbed their collective noses slam in it.
She was scraped. The bastards. She was livin’ history.
Ain’t goin’ on a rant as I did with Washington. ‘Nuff said.
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That certainly would've made the moment more special Arcey. Us lazy Americans patched up quite a few warships which went on ta fight successfuly. Did a job fer an old guy once who had the walls of one room covered with maps an pitchers. They were of the ship he served on an the maps showed all the engagements. Can't remember the name of the boat, but at one point the entire bow had been blown off. They built a makeshift one outta wood and sailed her home. I wouln'ta balieved it if I hadn't seen the old photos. I think it was a destroyer, but I could be wrong.
Leo
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They moved the Missouri back to Pearl and now it's part of the Pearl Harbor Museum. I know that the North Carolina is moored at Wilmingon and the Alabama is at Mobile. We have the Texas at Houston. The Texas was in WW1 as well as WW2. It's a shame that more of these great ships weren't preserved as museums.
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They scrapped the mothball fleet recently. It's strange ta drive 680 over the bridge inta the bay area and not see em there anymore.
Leo
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The people of the state bought Carolina. Not a penny of tax money in her. Been on board several times. New Jersey is in Camden. Iowa is in limbo.
Arizona ‘n Utah are in Pearl.
Wisconsin is here, downtown. The area of deck, teak, from Missouri where the papers were signed is on display in the MacArthur Memorial a couple blocks away. Many a chili dog from sidewalk vendors found their reward, me, in the court yard at MacArthur or by the Wisconsin.
Been on Iowa ‘n Wisconsin. Been on the Stennis before she left for the west coast. Stennis is awesome but it’s apples ‘n oranges.
There aren’t goin’ to be anymore battleships. Sad we couldn’t have kept a few more. Especially ones with the war records of West Virginia ‘n Washington.
No disrespect intended towards those I didn’t mention.
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I toured the Enerprise when I was a kid. Have no idea when it was commisioned. It were in active duty an set up fer jets. Had an E-2 Hawkeye radar spinnin round above the bridge. We got ta walk the flight deck an then go below. Good show, but bein a little guy I had expected ta see what I knew from the pitchers Dad had shown me. They had some Corsaire II's on deck an I wanted ta see the REAL ones.
Leo
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That Enterprise was commissioned in 1944.
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Thanks. I'll remember that.
Another field triip we got ta go ta Nasa's Aimes Reserch Center in Sunnyvale er there abouts. I was a lucky kid when it got ta seein them things. Little girl in our class' daddy worked there. Saw the prototype fer the Harrier an a bunch of other neat stuff. Testing facillities fer astronauts an such. Had lunch with the guys in jump suits, I was in Heaven I tell ya :D :D
Leo
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Moose and I toured the NASA facility south of Houston one time and I toured the NASA outfit in Huntsville, Ala. I got to take a tour inside of one the Shuttles which was interesting. I wanna go to Charleston SC and tour the ships anchored in the harbor and tour Ft. Sumpter. I don't know which ships or how many are there other than the Yorktown.
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went to Charleston in about 92 on a bail bond jumper, had a few hours to kill so I went on the harbor tour, the little boat we were on went around the harbor and ships and out by Ft. Sumpter. took the tour on land of the land side of the harbor, was really fun. wisht I'd had more time to take the induvidual tours.
have a friend, went through all of school with him, including college, that works for NASA down at Cape Canaveral, hopin one of these days to be able to go down there and take the tour,
here's a link to him, Dennis Chamberland, his latest underwater project is set, right now to begin in 2011 or 2012, to set a record underwater, He has invited Jackie and I to come down to Florida, if at all possible and take the dive to the habitat and spend a night with him and his wife in the habitat. it would be the chance of a lifetime to do something like that, hope we're able at the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Chamberland
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Leo, I got my Carriers mixed up the Enterprise was commissioned in 38 instead of 44. The 2nd Lexington was commissoned in 44. The first Lexington was sunk in the Battle of the Coral Sea in 42. The 2nd Lexingon was made into a Museum in Corpus Chrisit, Texas. The Hornet, the carrier that carried the 16 B 25s to bomb Tokyo was also sunk in 42 during the battle of Santa Cruz.
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A second USS Hornet was commisoned in 43 and was decommissoned in 70. It is anchored at Alameda, Calif. as a Museum.
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I remeber seeing footage of the 25s taking off from the carrier for the first time. It was somethin. I think they used a lot of that real footage in 30 Seconds Over Tokyo. I'll have ta find it and look at it again.
Leo
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Leo, They reorganized the Doolittle outfit after the Raid and assigned it to the 12th AF. Dad became a member of that Squadron. and he was at Eglin Field in Florida when the Raiders were training. It was all hush hush until they left for California. He watched them take off while they were practicing to fly off the carrier deck.
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It's amazing they could do it at all. The B25 is quite a bit smaller than other bombers of it's day, but it was a helluva lot bigger an heavier than a fighter. The pucker factor as the end of the deck approached had ta be off the charts.
Question fer ya though, did they ever try ta land one on a carrier, or were they all ground landings? I outta know this, but don't recall.
Leo
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As far as I know there was no attempt to land on one. They would not be able to get back anyway, the plan was to land if possible in China beyond the Japs.
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I knew the original missions were set of with just enough fuel ta get ta China, just didn't know if a deck landing had ever been tried. I can imagine one of them 25s rippin the hook right outta it's mount an plowin through the net. Some came up short on juice or were damaged an ditched inta the sea on the way ta China.
Leo
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They were training on the runways at Eglin. Dad told me that they had guys on the flight with brushes with white wash. The pilots would wind the engines up with the brakes on then release the brakes. They would mark the spot where the plane took off. They kept shortening the distance till it was the length of the carrier deck. As far as I know no bomber ever landed on a carrier deck. Several years ago, a C130 landed on a modern carrier deck in an emergency. A C130 was never designed to land on a carrier deck.
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They were training on the runways at Eglin. Dad told me that they had guys on the flight with brushes with white wash. The pilots would wind the engines up with the brakes on then release the brakes. They would mark the spot where the plane took off. They kept shortening the distance till it was the length of the carrier deck. As far as I know no bomber ever landed on a carrier deck. Several years ago, a C130 landed on a modern carrier deck in an emergency. A C130 was never designed to land on a carrier deck.
And the $20 question was when they fixed it how did they get it back off. ;D
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That's a good question Del, A C130 can take off and land on short fields, but I don't know about a carrier deck.
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That's a good question Del, A C130 can take off and land on short fields, but I don't know about a carrier deck.
Well it don't have a hook for the caddy-pult, bet they had to take it to a port and use some sort of crane. ;D Of course they could always take it apart and reassemble it on shore. ::)
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They used cranes to load the B25s onto the deck of the Hornet.
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They used cranes to load the B25s onto the deck of the Hornet.
Depending what was wrong, I bet they also had to call NAPA for help, bet they don't stock many parts for a C-130 on a carrier. ;D
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The crew that brought in the C-130 mustin been holdin their breaths. I would imagine it stayed on board til in a safe port. It would be neat ta see a pitcher of that settin on the deck.
Leo
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The crew that brought in the C-130 mustin been holdin their breaths. I would imagine it stayed on board til in a safe port. It would be neat ta see a pitcher of that settin on the deck.
Leo
Saw a picture of an A-10 that got shot up bad in the first Gulf War, the pilot said because of the "pucker" factor the seat cusion was never found. ;D Bet that C-130 lost them also. ::)
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There are cranes at NNSB&DD that would pluck a C-130 without breakin’ a sweat. Plop it on a barge ‘n tow it ‘cross the river to the base. Crane it up on dry land ‘n tow it to a field. Ain’t rememberin’ the base havin’ a crane high ‘nuff ta pull one off the deck.
New carriers have close to or a l’il o’er a thousand feet of flight deck ‘n a width plenty wide for a C130. Speed in excess of 30 mph, inta the wind, I’d think they could fly one off.
Speculation.
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There are cranes at NNSB&DD that would pluck a C-130 without breakin’ a sweat. Plop it on a barge ‘n tow it ‘cross the river to the base. Crane it up on dry land ‘n tow it to a field. Ain’t rememberin’ the base havin’ a crane high ‘nuff ta pull one off the deck.
New carriers have close to or a l’il o’er a thousand feet of flight deck ‘n a width plenty wide for a C130. Speed in excess of 30 mph, inta the wind, I’d think they could fly one off.
Speculation.
You might be right, TLD you homework is to find out how they got it off. ;D
Also when you get that done find out how they make Pringles. Do they use an injection moulder or do they make a large sheet and use a punch press. ::)
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Del, everyone knows that Pringles er made at Area 51 with technology the gubberment says don't exist.
Sheesh, pull yer head outta the sand an get with the program.
Leo
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I seen C130 land with 3 of the 4 nearly useless...I would almost bet it could take off from a aircraft carrier...
Pringles are grown that way... each plant yields about 5 full size cans
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A C130 made 21 unarrested landings and takeoffs from the deck of the Forrestal(CV59) in Oct. and Nov.,1963. That aircraft is on display at the Naval Air Museum in Pensacola, Florida.
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I guess a lot of it would have ta do with what the plane was carrying. I would imagine just troops, no heavy equipment. But hey, I been wrong bafore ::)
Leo
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The C 130 could carry 92 passengers, or 72 Troops, or 64 paratroopers.
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Several years ago, a C130 landed on a modern carrier deck in an emergency. A C130 was never designed to land on a carrier deck.
There are a couple of .avi files floating around the internet of a C-130 taking off and landing on a carrier. I have them somewhere, but don't remember which machine. At the time Jimmy Carter announced they were used in the bungled desert raid in Iran, it was a state secret we could do this. A mere feather in his load of sins.
Digger
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Jimmy was perty lost durrin them 4 years. If there had been anyone else but him running on that ticket in '80 John Anderson and the Independents wouldn't have got nearly the support they did. Just a matter of a good chunk of the poplation not wanting ta vote Republican an havin nowhere else ta turn. It ain't happened since (I don't count Perot, he up an quit).
Leo
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There are a couple of .avi files floating around the internet of a C-130 taking off and landing on a carrier. I have them somewhere, but don't remember which machine. At the time Jimmy Carter announced they were used in the bungled desert raid in Iran, it was a state secret we could do this. A mere feather in his load of sins.
Digger
the plans were to land and take off agin in a soccer field...the C130 still in use today and doesn't get nearly the glory as a war machine it deserves
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Over 50 years of service along with the B52.
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The other day, Lil tolt me she heard a plane fly over but it sounded strange. I asked her what she meant and she described the low drone of a C130. They must still be flyin em outta Beale AFB every now an then.
Leo
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The other day, Lil tolt me she heard a plane fly over but it sounded strange. I asked her what she meant and she described the low drone of a C130. They must still be flyin em outta Beale AFB every now an then.
Leo
They had to do somethin with the Old SR hangars there ;D
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Black Birds!
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LR, We used to get a visit from a SR 71 when I worked on the west side of Fort Worth near Carswell AFB. The SP's would escort it to a separate hangar under armed guard.
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LR, We used to get a visit from a SR 71 when I worked on the west side of Fort Worth near Carswell AFB. The SP's would escort it to a separate hangar under armed guard.
That is the first plane i guarded in AF at Beale
I'll be guarding another later this week
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When I was working that area, you never knew what was gonna show up. We had one of those 747 Flying Command Centers land out there and we even had the Shuttle flying piggyback on NASA's 747 land out there.
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who gets to guard the black helo copters?
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I'll be guarding another later this week
ya ain't gonna havta kill none of us now that ya told us are ya :o :o
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Loose Lips sink SHIPS!
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ya ain't gonna havta kill none of us now that ya told us are ya :o :o
it declassified now butm to anwser the Lawyers question might have different circumstances..... Welcome back D'archangel
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That's LR's story and he's stickin' to it!
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SR71’s anti-aircraft missle defense system. Bump the throttle up a bit ‘n out run it.
They got one it the museum it the airport it Richmond just down the road from Black Crick. Hate she’s sittin’ out in the weather.
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Ya'd think they'd want that in a hanger. Do a fund raiser an build one around it right were it sits.
I need ta get ta an air museum soon, it's been too long.
Leo
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(http://vam.smv.org/images/aircraft/blackbird/01.jpg)
There she is. The buildin' in the background houses many vintage airplanes.
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That's a good shot. Looks like it's ready ta pounce.
Ma home town had a place called The Flying Lady. It was mostly know fer it's restuant an golf corse, but the owner was a plane nut. He had a huge hanger built out back that was crammed full of vintage stuff. If it's still there I need ta make a trip an get some pitchers. He had a Spirit of St Louis that acourse couldn't have been the original, but ya'd never be able ta tell. Got ta sit in it. Somewhere there is a shot of young Leo wavin from the cockpit. Have ta ask Dad if he remembers it.
Leo
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Leo, The original one is in the Smithsonian in DC.
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That's what I thought. This one was done up just like the original. I got a call out ta my buddy ta see if the place is still open. We're going down around New Years ta visit, an if it is I'm going back. I guess a web search wouldn't hurt either.
Leo
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Prolly just me, outdated ideas ‘n too damned sentimental. I’d like ta see ‘er inside. ‘A’ shaped set of steps runnin’ up, open canopy sos ya can see inta the cockpit.
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Naw, it aint just you, an the idea aint outdated. It's a shame.
Here's an old link ta the place I was talkin about. It's gone now, got converted ta a math labratory, whatever the hell that is.
These are just a few pics of what used ta be in there, some are repros but a couple originals in there too. Wish I coulda found sometin better.
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/FlyingLady/FlyingLady.htm
Leo
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Thanx, Leo.
When I was shootin’ BC several of us would meet fer breakfast. She ain’t but a couple miles past the restaurant. I’d be early ‘n ride down ta look at ‘er. Don’t smoke in the truck, get out ‘n burn one. Talk to ‘er. Parkin’ lot is just out the pitcher ta the left. She’s so sad with mornin’ frost on ‘er. Seen rain fallin’ on ‘er. Just ain’t how she should be treated.
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They have a display of planes up at Fayetteville municipal airport, nothing too big, but it is interesting to walk through, used to sell chemicals over in Muskogee, hauled several barrels of cleaner over to the airport there, some to clean aluminun some just greasy messes, got to see back in the garage where they were rebuilding some of the planes.
http://www.arkairmuseum.org/aircraft/
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She’s at the Virginia Aviation Museum ‘n that’s kindah in an industrial park area on the outskirts of Richmond International. Ain’t real big either.
The Virginia Air & Space Center o’er in Hampton has more to look at ‘n some interactive stuff. Ain’t thirty minutes from here. Richmond a l’il more’n an hour.
Promised myself I was gonna see these places again when I quit. Quit six years ago. Ain’t been yet.
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Don't wanna be a downer, aint even gonna post the article.
An F18 Hornet crashed in a subdivision in San Diego on it's way ta Miramar yesterday. The pilot followed his training an safely ejected but the plane hit two houses. Reports are saying an engine failed. God bless the family of those killed and God bless the pilot and help him get through it.
Leo
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Been all over the wire here and the news
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The pilots try and stir the aircraft toward an uninhabited area before they "punch out". Sometimes it doesn't work out.
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Saddened o’er the loss of life. My prayers for all involved. Here, I see ‘n hear Navy jets all day. The sound is welcome as is the sight. They have to train. There have been accidents ‘n unfortunately fatalities. Heck, one buildin’ was accidentally ‘bombed’ last year. Even at that we haven’t suffered a major disaster, yet. I, for one, am thankful.
On another note. The small private museum in Pungo has gained approval to expand. The owners have a control tower, built in ’41, from England ‘n a ’39 German hangar they bought on location, had disassembled ‘n shipped here. Those are goin’ up along with a couple others.
Them boys playin’ with those old airplanes out in the strawberry fields are gonna do it right if they ain’t careful.
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I never get tired of those Air Museums, whether they're large or small.
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I never get tired of those Air Museums, whether they're large or small.
You ever get up this way ya need to stop at this one...... My client had their Christmas party there Thursday evening nearly 4000 employees and a handful of guest. I didn't get to see every thing I wanted to see but I definetly will go back. I tooook some pictures but need to photo bucket or link them I wasn't able to post from my file.
http://www.nasm.si.edu/UdvarHazy/
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Okay it made a liar out of me...It didn't work last night
I guarded this same SR when I was in....
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LR, I have always wanted to visit the Smithsonian Museum and their Air Museum. I have been fortunate enough to be able to visit most of the major Air Museums in the US on my extradition trips.
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I need to get to the new SAC one 'tween Lincoln and Omaha, they also have a SR-71.
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Del, I've been to the one at the AB at Omaha. They had a bunch of old bombers, I guess it's because of the SAC connection.
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Del, I've been to the one at the AB at Omaha. They had a bunch of old bombers, I guess it's because of the SAC connection.
Been moved to a new place between Lincoln and Omaha just off I-80. They got the stuff all inside now.
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Hey Del, don't you guys have a slew a abondoned underground missle silos hidden amongt the corn an whatnot? I think a tour of one a them babies might be neat providin the elevator still works ;D
Leo
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Leo, We got one of those old Missle sites south of Fort Worth, in a little town called Alvarado. A guy bought the whole site for a small sum and he lives underground. It is completley self-contained. It even had a kennel for the guard dogs.
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We got them all over here, most if not all have had the doors welded shut.
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Del, Rowdy may want 2 quilts tonight.
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What made me think of it was that back in his highschool days, Lil's oldest had a dream of buyin one up an doin just like Pop said the guy in Texas did. He's almost 23 now an I think he's let go of the idea.
Leo
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What made me think of it was that back in his highschool days, Lil's oldest had a dream of buyin one up an doin just like Pop said the guy in Texas did. He's almost 23 now an I think he's let go of the idea.
Leo
The ones around here flood as soon as they take the pumps off line. Most are below the water table. I know there is one that has limited axcess to it. The scuba terams practice there. A HS friend had a malfunction in it 30 years ago and died.
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TLD, here is the list of planes at the SAC Museum. Maybe next time you get up this way we should go have a look see.
http://www.sacmuseum.org/collections.htm
Noiice they have a "Looking Glass."
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No pitchers? Prolly are, I jus didn't find em ::)
Leo
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they're classified, but give them a mill $ and ya'll get a letter each month from your adopted aircraft, on how you changed the quality of it's life ;D
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Wasn't Sally Struthers involved with that?
I believe so.
Leo
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Del, I look forward to that next fall. That EC is a mobile command post. Those planes flew 24/7 for almost 30 years to warn us of an air attack by the Russians.
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Wasn't Sally Struthers involved with that?
I believe so.
Leo
;D ;D ;D
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I had a cousin that was in the Air Force for about 25 years, he was stationed in Newbraska for the last 12 years he was in and rode one of those planes on his shift every day.
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That was when SAC was the main line of defense. Before Kennedy closed it in 61, we had a SAC base in Amarillo. I can remember seeing all those B 52s parked on the runways when we drove past on Old 66 headin' east out of Amarillo.
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I'd love ta see a Dragon Lady up close an personal.
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg133/leotanner/Usafu2750pix.jpg)
It's quite a plane.
Leo
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Like the planes, love my ships. The Navy has 'em a new toy 'n she's flat bad. Man, would I love ta play with that....
(http://media.hamptonroads.com/cache/files/images/225421.jpg)
http://hamptonroads.com/2008/12/new-ship-uses-technology-bring-fight-shore
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I'd love ta see a Dragon Lady up close an personal.
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg133/leotanner/Usafu2750pix.jpg)
It's quite a plane.
Leo
Saw one of them, scared me at first, was pickin' up Andrea at school, afternoon of 9/11, knew there were no civy planes in the air. Saw somethin' comin' in low and slow, then saw the big wings. The NAG base used to be part of SAC, still gets used once in a while. Found out much later it came in for fuel here.
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That was a strange day ta say the least. Me an the two guys I was workin with were headed to a job over in Kansas bafore we heard what had happened. We saw all kinds of military aircraft flyin over that morning. Boss was behind the wheel an said,"somethin big is goin on, this aint normal." He pointed up at one an said, "that's a U2, it don't belong here".
Leo
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Not ta get off topic...wait a minute this is the topic.
This was at the bottom of the news. I ain't gettin alarmed er nothin, but ya think we coulda got better answers than, "I'm sure they're just having some R&R". Cause hey man, we all know Cuba is the place ta party. I don't believe there was a "ho-hum" response either. We're sposed ta be concerned with Chistmas shoppin an what not right now. Why bother us with stuff like this?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081216/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_russian_warships
Leo
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I remember back when they had the Cuban Missle crisis, back then they were tellin us to duck and cover. like that would'a done much good. them Russian ships were comin a little too close for comfort.
time changes a lot of things.
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I never understood how duck and cover would protect us from an atomic bomb.
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I never understood how duck and cover would protect us from an atomic bomb.
rent the Movie "the Postman" if you survive you can rule the earth ;D
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I never understood how duck and cover would protect us from an atomic bomb.
It wouldn’t. They had ta be doin’ sumthin’.
Kin remember elementary school. The loudspeaker would go off in the fire drill tone ‘n they’d march us out without jackets. The school was brick, concrete ‘n cinder block with a stamped steel roof. The only thing in there that would burn was the jackets we weren’t given time ta take before we walked outside.
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Ah, What wonderful stories we can pass on to the youngsters about being a child of the 50s.
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It was perty tense in the early 80's too. Things got hot with Andropov an we were crawlin under desks on a regular basis. Everyone was skeered ta some degree er another fer the most part. That's when the TV movie "The Day After" came out. It was a big deal. Folks on the news warned not ta watch it alone an blah blah blah.
Leo
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Leo. I remember then, Mullets, shiny suits, and Miami Vice.
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Leo. I remember then, Mullets, shiny suits, and Miami Vice.
Yeah, it was kinda a wasted chunk a time. Video games were just startin ta replace pinball machines an me an my buddies were perty bent outta shape about it. The music sucked perty bad an most movies too. On top a all that us kids had a constant reminder that we could be nuked at any moment. Fun era, just peachy.
Leo
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Let me think the 80's most reloadin and shooting I'd ever done, in the early 80's shootin metalic silhouette's 2 or 3 times a month, go cart racin with my son the other weekends, divorced middle of the 80's, fun time, started in Bail Bonds middle part of the 80's, married again. overall wasn't too bad.
I'll give it a 7.5
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Most of the 80s I werked 70+ hours a week, made more money than Gotrocks...
ex-wife spent it faster than I could make it, that's why the EX is in there! >:(
Met Miz Annie an' got my priorities straight ;D
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Well I'm glad some enjoyed it. Guess I was jus a fish outta water.
Most of the 80s I werked 70+ hours a week, made more money than Gotrocks...
ex-wife spent it faster than I could make it, that's why the EX is in there! >:(
Met Miz Annie an' got my priorities straight ;D
Hey Sleep, ya know why divorces er so expensive?
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>CAUSE THEY'RE WORTH IT!!! ;D
It took Lil comin along fer me ta figgure things out. The first one was jus practice.
Leo
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Got thrown outtah K-9, first thing. Lost Sam in the process.
Ali was born. Moved from Norfolk ta duh beach, felt like heaven then ‘n it was. Got promoted again. Finally got the hell outtah uniform patrol. Andi was born. Started racin’ sail boats. Got my golf game inta the mid-eighties. Heatin’ with wood. Cuttin’, splittin’ ‘n luggin’. Was never in better shape. Was moved ta IA. Put on all kindahs committees. Took the courses ‘n got my Real Estate Sales license. Worked that part time. Bought this place in a ‘hood with Dr.s, lawyers, dentists, engineers ‘n such. State rep lives ‘round the corner. Still does. Church board, civic league. Thought I was some hot poo poo.
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I've always been an Ol Cop since the Army. Before that, it was college.
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Did the college stuff in the seventies.
Taday, did the laundry, dishes, lugged in the garbage cans I lugged out yestiddy, went ta the grocery, scrubbed toilets ‘n cut giant snow flakes outtah construction paper…..
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Arcey, Your varied talents never cease to amaze me. I would have never taken you for a snow flake cutter.
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I bet he can do a mean chain a paper dolls too. Just a hunch ;) Grandkids'll do it ta ya.
Leo
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I think we need pictures. ;D
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Y’all wanna see pitchers of a toilet gettin’ scrubbed?
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Y’all wanna see pitchers of a toilet gettin’ scrubbed?
Naw, just the snow flakes. ;D
Ya gave me an idea, guess I'll have to show Lexie, Lemol won't care yet. :)
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Alot of the grands around here are about the right age fer doin reindeer food. Just shake up dry oatmeal an glitter in a bag an let em sprinkle it on the porch an drive way. Get yer a$$ outta bet when they go ta sleep an sweep it away. Sound silly but it makes em really light up in the mornin seein that food gone.
Leo
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Alot of the grands around here are about the right age fer doin reindeer food. Just shake up dry oatmeal an glitter in a bag an let em sprinkle it on the porch an drive way. Get yer a$$ outta bet when they go ta sleep an sweep it away. Sound silly but it makes em really light up in the mornin seein that food gone.
Leo
So does that mean reighdeer poop has glitter in it. ::)
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Ya can add lib ta be more convincing if ya like. I'm sure Rowdy won't mind ya stealin er leavins ta dress up if it means that much ta ya ;D
Leo
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Q: Why is today's economy not like a divorce?
A: You've lost half of your savings, but you still have the wife! :o ::) ;D
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Q: Why is today's economy not like a divorce?
A: You've lost half of your savings, but you still have the wife! :o ::) ;D
:) :D ;D ;)
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LIT, That deserves a shot of Bushmills to warm the cockles of your heart tonight.
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Q: Why is today's economy not like a divorce?
A: You've lost half of your savings, but you still have the wife! :o ::) ;D
for those of you that have been divorced twice it's all yer savings...... >:(
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I got away easy with number 2, we was just engaged. She made the mistake of thinking the process of my castration was far enough along ta let her true colors and her fangs show. Her stupidy saved me a fortune ::)
Leo
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I guess that I'm in the minority when it somes to divorces and ex-wives, I'm still on my first one, 35 years in March.
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from the unclassifed vaults
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20081219/Obit.Felt/
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from the unclassifed vaults
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20081219/Obit.Felt/
lots of turmoil back in them days, doesn't seem hardly that long ago that we were hearin it all on the evening news.
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the actual break in and access is used today for training scenarios
might add most of the ones I work with weren't around then :o
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LR, We all have that problem, They ain't many of us "Old Timers" left.
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LR, We all have that problem, They ain't many of us "Old Timers" left.
That's why we must preserve ya as national treasures :D
I hear Del is about ta be cryogenicaly frozen out there in Newbrasky ::)
Leo
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Let's hope Del ain't too froze and can get home safe tonight.
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He said they wasn't gonna close taday even if were bad icey. I hate days like that.
Leo
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Well, It's back being like spring again. It's 73 here right now.
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oh well, ya know what they say about the weather just hang around a few days, it'll change again ;D
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It's supposed to be back in the 30s on Sun. and Mon. around here.
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they're talkin teens tonight, but no ice or snow, just a coupla days of cold. but I'd jsut as sonn as have warm
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We had some rain on Thurs., but nothin' since. I'm just we haven't had the snow that a lot of folks have had so far.
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He said they wasn't gonna close taday even if were bad icey. I hate days like that.
Hehehehe……
We don’t get them ‘glaze o’er’ days often. Was werkin’ fer NAPA doin’ locals one mornin’ when we did. Drove mine ta the store real careful. Had me a blast when I got in theirs.
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I can remember when I was a kid, we had chains for every vehicle, dad even had a set to fit on the tractor, but he had used them for gettin through the mud before they graveled the main road. hated driving on em, on ice it's ok, but when ya start hittin that dry pavement, ya gotta get em off.
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Not many have chains here. Ain’t needed much.
Some Einstein in Purchasin’ figgered we needed ‘em for the patrol cars once. Reckon ‘e had money ta spend in some emergency account. We couldn’t put ‘em on, had ta go ta the garage. Time off the street.
Half of ‘em weren’t installed properly. Turned inta weed eaters ‘n tore up some quarter panels. ‘Course the fools it the tire shop were only semi-literate. The cops had ta go in ‘n type out the damage reports. More time off the streets. Then we lost the cars when the body shop had ‘em for repair.
Bought Alex cables with them barbed wire lookin’ things on ‘em when they moved ta King George. That’s what he wanted for Christmas. Subject come up not long ago. Said he’d used ‘em once.
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A PIA but the best way I ever found to use chains was on that Baja bug, to small to get on an inflated tire. Jack er up let the air out, put em on and fill it back up. Never used tightners, have traveled 200 miles in a day huntin' with them, never lost them once. Course if they got to the paved roads you had to stay on the back roads or find an open gas station to get them off. Either that or a farmer with a compresser. Much easier back then.
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Yep, Them chains can reek havoc on them quarterpanels. I've only used them a few times around here, but up in the Panhandle is a different story. Up there is like being in Nebraska, where it can really snow.
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had a set of them through the wheel and around the tire for a 53 GMC pickup, they were some kind of fiber material, easiest to put on and off I ever had, but not quite as good as the chains. but they'd sure get you where you were going
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A lot of people put em on real sloppy round here. Tighten em with bungee cords an leave extra links flyin free. Dont wanna stop an get out when get below the snow line ta jerk em off. Been woke up in the night several times hearin that jing jing jing jing jing noise from the steet outside ma window. Them cable chains with the central twist tightener seem perty nice, just don look like they have much grip.
Leo
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jingle bobs on a "Vega" sweet! ;D
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just leave it ta them folks out in Californy to find a new place to put them jingle bobs :o
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next they'll be putting big long Tapadero's and shiny silver mesican conchas on them. ;D
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There are two kinds of jingle bobs my friend...those that come in through the door an those that come through the window.
I can just hear Tuco saying that now ;D
Leo
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:o jingle bobs goin through a winder, well I reckon some cowboy mighta had some on when the husband came home and he had to make a getaway with his boots on. ;)
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Them jingle bobs could get shot comin' in the wrong winder at the wrong time. Might be better to leave the jingle bobs at home. You can't do "stealth mode" with the jingle bobs.
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I guess that I'm in the minority when it somes to divorces and ex-wives, I'm still on my first one, 35 years in March.
It's in the minority too. 17 years in July.
Them jingle bobs could get shot comin' in the wrong winder at the wrong time. Might be better to leave the jingle bobs at home. You can't do "stealth mode" with the jingle bobs.
Watch a few Hoppy movies and you'll hear 'em go stealth. ::)
I have chains on the TO-30 all year. I've used chains on my trucks a few times on ice.
Slim
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Congrats. on your 17 years, Slim. I would hate to think about starting over in another marriage. I'm too old and I don't think I could find another lady that would put up with me for very long.
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Congrats. on your 17 years, Slim. I would hate to think about starting over in another marriage. I'm too old and I don't think I could find another lady that would put up with me for very long.
'Specialy another red head :D
A recent study shows that the time is coming when there won't be anymore of em.
Leo
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Leo, Besides being a redhead, my wife has put up me and my BS all these years. I think I am still a work in progress. Cops and ex-wives sorta go together. Now, that I am home more, we've been able to spend more time together, especially at night.
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The time is the right time ;)
Leo
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It's still not up to 32 yet, It's really a raw ol' day. We gotta get out and hit the grocery store to stock up for this week and through New Years. The fireplace feels good today, the dogs seem to like the extra warmth.
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It's in the minority too. 17 years in July.
Congrats, Slim.
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The last time I posted on this thread, it wasn't even up to 32. This morning it is 72, go figure on this wacky weather.
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Thanks pards.
'Specialy another red head :D
A recent study shows that the time is coming when there won't be anymore of em.
Leo
No more Redheads? :o :o :o :o :o
BTW, I think I figgured out what the ground shake was here a few weeks ago. It was the kraken in Pearl Lake trying ta break thru the ice. Pearl Lake is a few miles from here.
Slim
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We supposedly had a little shake around here a couple of months ago. It was only a mile or so north of the house. I never felt anything but it was reported.
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We get them some winters, when the ground gets good and frozen down deep. When I'm up-stairs I can feel the house vibrate and rattle, then in a few mor seconds I hear a chrash and a bang. :o Scares me the first time every year, then I realize they just humped a car a bit to fast at the RR yard a 1/2 mile south.
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The closest RR yard is 45 miles in Stevens Point. :o
Slim
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We need to let California keep them earthquakes to themselves.
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Don’t get the shakes from below. It’s from above. Sometimes the Navy jets get a l’il low. Ain’t on the glide slopes here but occasionally they fly over ‘n they rattle the windows. Ain’t heard one break the sound barrier in awhile. They ain’t supposed ta in town. But when they do………….
The other thing is helicopters. There’s five banks within a mile of here. Two I can see from the back yard. When they get robbed the police fly over low. The ‘whop whop’ shakes the whole house.
No complaints with either. Make all the noise they want. Just sayin’.
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I get rumbled by low flying KC-135's all the time, they do a lot of touch and go's and bank over us a lot.
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the Air Guard in Ft. Smith has A-10's, sometimes they'll come up this valley on the north side of us about tree top level, then up the mountain and pop the sound barrier about the time they crest the top, guess it reverberates off the face of the mountain, sure stirs the turkeys up.
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I didn't know the A-10 could go super-sonic.
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it may not, but the sound off the face of the mountain sure upsets them turkeys. ;D
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it may not, but the sound off the face of the mountain sure upsets them turkeys. ;D
Upsets Eye-rock-eee tank folks also. ;D
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Them A 10s can do some serious damage with rockets and that Gatling gun mounted in the nose.
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The A-10, not yer father's tank buster...
Livin in Southern California as a kid, we had a doggy door in the kithcen door. When the super sonics came in the boom was enough ta blow the doggy door flap open. Then we went an had an earthquake when I was five an thought it just the planes comin in.
Leo
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When I worked the west side of Ft. Worth, I always got plenty of those jet fighters at Carswell and General Dynamics. Carswell is where they filmed "Strategic Air Command" with Jimmy Stewart.
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When I worked the west side of Ft. Worth, I always got plenty of those jet fighters at Carswell and General Dynamics. Carswell is where they filmed "Strategic Air Command" with Jimmy Stewart.
But the film clips from the planes when they are landing are Offut.
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They build the F 16 at the plant in Fort Worth, so there are always being tested. Now that Carswell is a joint Reserve base, you see all kinds of planes flying around from fighters, trainers, tankers, and transports.
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We get a lot of corperate type jets around here, Duncan Avation is one of the top service centers for those in the world.
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All of our corporate stuff is at Meacham Field which in North Fort Worth. There is a guy and his wife that own a B-17 and they have it in a hangar at Meacham.
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No tellin’ whutcha’ll see in the air these parts. Got the bases with the military stuff. There’s that museum out it Pungo ‘n they fly old stuff occasionally. ORF has a terminal away from the main terminal for corporate with separate parkin’ so the rich folks (Kurt Busch) doan have ta mingle with us bottom feeders. Then there’s the one out off Battlefield Blvd. in Chesapeake that I think is all corporate ‘n charter. ‘Nother’n off 58 that with a mixture of light aircraft. Where I was takin’ my lessons ‘fore I ran outtah money.
Wanna see one them big triangular thingys folks er seein’ ‘round Area 51.
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How about a B-2 or a F-117?
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Suspect them’d be it Langley ‘cross the river.
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Suspect them’d be it Langley ‘cross the river.
careful what ya say them Black Whirrlybirds will be hovered over your spread
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Black Choppers? Here we go again with the conspiracy theory!
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I KNOW NOTHINK!
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Ve Vill make you TALK!
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Black Choppers? Here we go again with the conspiracy theory!
The thread had ta live up ter it's name sooner er later ;D
Leo
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I've got a bunch of those "special highway signs" that I picked up cheap at a military surplus store.
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Ya mean this one?
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg133/leotanner/border.jpg)
Leo
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Nope, The kind that only the guys flyin' those Black Choppers can read.
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Just started wonderin, what ever happened ta the Harrier? Haven't seen er heard anythin about em in a while. They had a cool factor of 11.
Leo
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They still used by the Marines, Royal AF, Spain, Italy and India.
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They still used by the Marines, Royal AF, Spain, Italy and India.
Note, the Marines lost one and a pilot in NC today. :'(
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Note, the Marines lost one and a pilot in NC today. :'(
Dang. No wonder I was thinkin about them.
God bless.
Leo
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The Harrier that they are using now is a second generation one.