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Special Interests - Groups & Societies => The Barracks => GAF Regulations => Topic started by: Drydock on September 03, 2009, 07:31:33 PM
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Upon request, I'm compiling a list of these sidearms. We'll start with US sidearms, and add more as I research. Please PM me with any suggestions, all are welcome. Experimental issues may be covered in another entry.
United States:
-1865- Colt M1860 (Army) Colt 1851 (Navy)
-1870- S&W #3 .44 American, 1000 issued
-1871- Colt M1871 (Richards Conversion).44 Colt. 1200 Issued. Navy began issue of .38 SC conversions of the 1851.
-1873- Colt M1873 Single Action Army .45
-1875- S&W #3 "Schofield" M1875, .45 S&W
-1889- Navy issues Colt M1889 DA revolver .38 LC (.41 frame)
-1892- Colt M1892,4,5,6,01,03 DA revolver .38 LC (41 Frame)
-1895- Reissue of modified Colt M1873 with 5.5" barrel.
-1899- S&W M1899 M&P, 3000 issued for use in Phillipines. .38 LC (K frame, round butt)
Those wishing to use the later model Colt .41 frame models (Army Special/Official Police) may do so if in the following configuration: 6" unshrounded light barrel, fixed sights, blued, Square butt. "Officers" models may be allowed if proper to the portrayal.
Later S&W K frames may also be used if having a 6" unshrouded light barrel, blued, fixed sights, ROUND butt. NO "Officers" models allowed. S&W did not offer such a model in this era.
Many found here: http://coolgunsite.com/pistols/usarevpage.htm
British Empire:
-1856- Beaumont-Adams DA revolver
-1880- Enfield MK I, MK-II,.476 Enfield
-1887- Webley MK-I. II, III, IV, V. .455
France:
-1873- St Eteinne 11MM
-1892- Lebel M1892. 8MM
Germany:
-1879- M1879-1883 Reichsrevolver 10.6MM
-Mauser C96, .30 Mauser, 9MM
Russia:
-1870- S&W #3 .44 Russian
-1895- Nagant m1895 7.62 Nagant
Spain:
-1856- Adams 10.5MM
-1858/63- Lefaucheax 11MM
-1874-S&W #3 11MM
-1884- S&W#3 System ONA 11MM
-1887- Merwin Hulbert 11MM
Canada:
-1855- Colt 1851 .36
-1885- Colt 1878 .45 Colt
-1899/1900- Colt New Service .45 Colt
This is not an exclusive list, the GAF recognizes all milspec weapons of the period, both primary and secondary, as well as those of demonstrated military usage.
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I got that file converted and you should have it by now.
My list came from a book on hand guns of the world. Looks like you got most of them.
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The Model 3 S&Ws and "New model 3" were pretty popular. Japan, Austrailia, Argentina, Turkey, in addition to Russia.
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I think you cover most of the ones I PM'ed you. The only possible exception might be the C-96, although they weren't issued in quantities in those countries that used them until after 1901.
What constituted "major powers" in the timeframe of 1865-1901? Until the Spanish-American War I doubt seriously the U.S. could have been considered a major world power, as we were pretty well tied up with the Indian Wars Campaigns. The SA War in 1898 changed that, of course. Would Japan have been considered a major power prior to 1902 or so? What about Turkey? Of course, both those countries utilized S&W revolvers at one time or another. Not trying to be nitpicky, just trying to relate to the historical perspective.
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The United States would probably be considered a "Significant" power militarly in the Victorian Era. Major Status would come with the SAW. Primarily through the Naval expansion of the 1890s. In any case, our game heavily involves the US military of the age, and as is quite apparent, no one put as much effort into handguns as the US. Its always been a subject of particular interest over here. No one else takes them quite as seriously.
Once you get outside the "Major" european powers of the era, US hanguns tend to dominate, particularly the S&W #3. Japan, China, Spain, most of the South American republics used the #3, or copied it in one fashion or another. In the 1890s the Colt and Webley DAs began to cut into this, the Webley seen in most of the British Empire influenced militarys, the Colt dominating in South and Central America.
If you know of the Primary issue sidearms of any country, please PM me with them, so I may add to the list.
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What about pin fire revolvers I saw someone was making kits to make ammo for them
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if you dig through the old posts someone put up a list of the spanish issue handguns.
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The Lefanchaux (?)Pinfire was quite popular in its day, but never adopted as a primary issue sidearm. Its specifications were never adopted as Milspec. The US bought a number of them during the war, issuing them to a few State Cavalry regiments in the western theatre. France bought 3000 for some colonial regiments in the 1860s. They were rapidly superceded by rimfire and centerfire arms. A prime example of a non Milspec arm of demonstrated military use. Good companion to a Spencer or Sharps carbine in a Civil War Cavalry portrayal west of the Ohio.
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the confederates even bought a few pinfires. what about the S&W No. 2 Army does the 32 caliber change anything?
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Never adopted as Milspec, caliber too small for main match. Too fragile for modern shooting anyway. .32 rimfire nearly impossible to find, expensive when you find it.
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if you dig through the old posts someone put up a list of the spanish issue handguns.
have any clue to what the title was on this posting?
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the title says spanish issue handguns
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Canada wasn't a "major power" by any means, but I'd venture to say that Canadian military impressions might perhaps be the second most likely to participate in GAF shooting events, so I'll weigh in with a list of primary-issue handguns in the Victorian-era Canadian military. Our close proximity to the United States (and the strong trade relationship which has always existed between us) resulted in adoption of American designs, rather than British.
1855 - Colt Model 1851 "Navy" revolver - .36 percussion
(Admittedly, these revolvers were actually acquired in Britain, and were the "London Model".)
1885 - Colt Model 1878 Double Action revolver - .45 Colt
1899/1900 - Colt New Service revolver - .45 Colt
(Of course, commissioned officers in the British Empire, including Canada, were not normally "issued" with the officially adopted handgun of the day. Rather, they were required to provide their own weapons at personal expense, and could accordingly have carried any suitable handgun of the period. Mind you, British weapons were strongly preferred throughout the Empire, and many Canadian officers carried them .....)
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BTT per request
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The French 11mm 1873's are really nicely made pieces.
The round is a bit anemic but the guns are built like tanks, and almost everything is hand fitted and numbered. A time when french guns were very well made and awesome!
It is a black powder round; however one of mine was rebarreled and nitro proofed in WWI - but kept in the original caliber.
The gun recieved undeserved bad press post WWII when they were briught home by vets and kept blowing up because people were shooting them with surplus hot 45 acp ammo.
The french 11mm round is very hard to load, but the guns are very popular in europe in shooting condition because they fall under guns with "no military value" and because it is a large caliber gun but with an "obsolete caliber" that they can own without reservation in most european countries.
A couple of the local clubs let me shoot mine at monthly matches - they are fun.
PR
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Hello!
I do a 1900 Marine Officer impression. Would it be okay to use a Colt 1917 in lieu of a New Service since they're a lot easier (and less expensive) and it's basically the same revolver? I realize the Marine Corps didn't get the New Service until 1909, but I'm sure some carried them earlier as a private purchase. Thanks!
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Yes, You can use a 1917, as it is indeed a New Service, production dated 1898. A private purchase arm often seen in the Phillipines, a good sidearm to a Krag. Be aware that as loading aids are not allowed, you will need to use Auto Rim brass.
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Good news! I actually have always preferred to use Auto Rim brass. I used to have a Smith & Wesson 1917, and the clips always seemed beside the point on that era revolver.
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A few thousand examples of the Whitney Navy were issued by the Bureau of Ordnance and Hydrography and stamped with the anchor and inspector's marks. I have a repro made by Palmetto and would love to get the correct markings on it.
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The Whitney Navy was one of the sidearms of the US Revenue Marine or US Revenue Cutter Service.
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BTT. This list needs to be stickied, and added to the battle rifle standards on the web site.
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BTT. This list needs to be stickied, and added to the battle rifle standards on the web site.
So it shall be!
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The issue handgun for British Cavalry Other Ranks (almost all Lancers, and Senior Sergeants for other Cavalry regiments) up until 1877 was the P1840 single-shot, smooth-bore percussion pistol. Not that I can imagine anyone in his right mind wanting to use one in a competition, but there it is. ;) Officers were of course a whole different deal.
Of note is that OR's in the Columbia Detachment of the Royal Engineers (active in British Columbia from 1858-1872) were all issued Navy Colts (as Grant says, made in London), due to the possibility of conflict with the American miners, all of whom were known to be packing revolvers. Kinda cool, what?
Cheers!
Gordon
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Hangtown Frye; The London Colt Navy was the issue revolver for cavalry troopers in Canada from 1854 until just before 1885. I didn't know about the Columbia detachment using them.
When the sappers went to Yale in 1858 to confront Ned McGowan they were shot at from Hills Bar, across the Fraser River but were ordered not to respond. I thought all they had was the issue rifled musket. There were Royal Marines following on as back up but they held up at Hope. The crisis was settled amicably, without gunfire when Ned paid a fine for assaulting a peace officer. Before Judge Begbie left Yale, Ned invited him to Hills Bar for a banquet. That was the end of "Ned McGowan's War."
I have read that civilian railway construction Navvies sent to the Crimea were issued London Navy's
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It is not well known the first "military issue" repeating handgun acquired by the United Kingdom was, in fact, the Model 1851 "Navy" Colt!
With the Crimean conflict looming large, The Board of Ordnance/War Department purchased approximately 23,700 London Colt Navy revolvers, beginning in March of 1854. Almost 10,000 of them went to the Royal Navy, and approximately 5,000 went to the Crimea for Land Service, primarily for use by officers and sergeants major of infantry, but also with "emergency issue" authorised to Lancers, and to Dragoon and Hussar sergeants major and trumpeters, in lieu of the regulation single-shot percussion pistols mentioned by Gordon .....
It was not until 31 August 1855 and 3 January 1856 that contracts were placed, respectively, for British-designed revolvers - i.e. 300 "Revolvers, Dean & Adams improved on Beaumont's principle, with appurtenances" and 2,000 "Pistols, revolving, Dean & Adams' patent, with Lieutenant Beaumont's improvement, 54 gauge".
In late 1868, conversion by J. Adams of existing Dean & Adams percussion revolvers for self-contained metallic cartridges was approved (ultimately becoming known as the Mark I Adams) and in 1870, the Mark II and Mark III Adams built-as-breechloader revolvers were approved. However, as Gordon has indicated, Adams revolvers were not approved for issue to cavalry until 1878.
Interestingly, Adams revolvers were adopted in for issue to Canada's North West Mounted Police in 1874.
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I've got a 1901 Colt Army revolver that I plan on bringing to the Muster this year. I bought some BP 38 Colt ammo for it. It saw service in the Philippines by the Army and the Scouts until after WW2.
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When the sappers went to Yale in 1858 to confront Ned McGowan they were shot at from Hills Bar, across the Fraser River but were ordered not to respond. I thought all they had was the issue rifled musket. There were Royal Marines following on as back up but they held up at Hope. The crisis was settled amicably, without gunfire when Ned paid a fine for assaulting a peace officer. Before Judge Begbie left Yale, Ned invited him to Hills Bar for a banquet. That was the end of "Ned McGowan's War."
Yup, I'm very familiar with Ned McGowan's War. He was quite a character, being involved in many shootings and lynchings in San Francisco before taking a midnight ship just ahead of the Vigilance Committee's representatives. No many folks made their names infamous in two countries, but he managed to! Colonel Moody's restraint and politic demeanor probably prevented a serious outbreak, and perhaps even a war between the US and Great Britain over the whole of British Columbia. Fascinating stuff there.
Anyway, for those other folks reading this, there is a ton of great information on the Columbia Detachment of the Royal Engineers, including Ned McGowan's War, here: http://www.royalengineers.ca/
Cheers!
Gordon
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Interestingly, Adams revolvers were adopted in for issue to Canada's North West Mounted Police in 1874.
A good friend of mine used to use his 1872 Adams for CAS events back in the late '80's, along with his Civilian Spencer. He could trace his Adams to Ft. Garry in 1874, making him, with his DA revolver, the most authentic "Westerner" at the shoots. Luckily the guys running the event weren't retentive about SASS rules and didn't mind him shooting it at all. It's not like he was going to win or anything, and it WAS very cool!
Then there's the friend of mine who would portray Jerry Potts...
Cheers!
Gordon
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Hangtown; Here is the book on McGowans War;
http://www.amazon.ca/McGowans-War-Donald-Hauka/dp/1554200016/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1262480363&sr=1-1-fkmr1
I live in British California, at Fort Victoria. I truly believe that Ned's failure to foment an anti-British backlash during the goldrush on Fraser's River was the foundation of British Columbia.
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Gordon:
1872 Adams, you say?
I have the good fortune to have one among my toys .... ;D
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Webley%20and%20other%20revolvers/Adams/MyAdams03a.jpg)
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Hangtown; Here is the book on McGowans War;
http://www.amazon.ca/McGowans-War-Donald-Hauka/dp/1554200016/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1262480363&sr=1-1-fkmr1
I live in British California, at Fort Victoria. I truly believe that Ned's failure to foment an anti-British backlash during the goldrush on Fraser's River was the foundation of British Columbia.
I like that: "British California". :)
But you're right, Colonel Moody's actions probably clinched the deal for Britain, and Canada, to hold the continent from Atlantic to the Pacific north (mostly ;)) of the 49th.
Cheers!
Gordon
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Gordon:
1872 Adams, you say?
I have the good fortune to have one among my toys .... ;D
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Webley%20and%20other%20revolvers/Adams/MyAdams03a.jpg)
Yup, that's the critter, to be sure. Very nice, well made guns. I'm not sure if he still has it, though. I certainly hope so, as I always admired the fact that he used it for a Canadian impression. He was born in Vancouver, after all. :)
Right now I'm looking to trade into a nice late-model (fluted cylinder) Webley RIC in .450. Always liked the little round, even if it's not quite sufficient for dropping Zulu's or Pathan's in their tracks. Still a great little gun!
Cheers!
Gordon
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..... Right now I'm looking to trade into a nice late-model (fluted cylinder) Webley RIC in .450. Always liked the little round, even if it's not quite sufficient for dropping Zulu's or Pathan's in their tracks. Still a great little gun!
Being a British revolver addict, I have an RIC New Model revolver also... an Army & Navy C.S.L. marked one ..... albeit chambered in .455. It is quite accurate, and a pleasure to shoot ......
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Webley%20and%20other%20revolvers/ric_06.jpg)
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Hi Drydock,
Would you consider adding the Remington Army and Navy conversions to the list of Primary Milspec Handguns.
"While there is no documentation it is believed by collectors and Historians that the government was secretly ingaged in the use, fabrication, and/or purchase of both Colt and Remington conversions well before the expiration of the Rollin White patent.
Remington conversions were in the hands of the troops well before June 1868."
"This fact is documented by the "Statement of Ordnance and Ordnance Stores" submitted to the 2nd Session of Congress by Congressman Butler of Massachusetts, based on a report of ordnance and ordnance stores on hand compiled by the Chief of Ordnance stating that a total of 16,958,799 Army-size pistol cartridges of .46 caliber on hand, consisting of 1,955,783 in the hands of the troops and another 15,003,016 stored at Arsenals and Armories."
The Remington conversion was chambered for the .46 rimfire.
"The Navy was offered the new Colt SAA revolvers, Remington converted Army revolvers and Remington converted Navy revolvers, but due to lack of funds, elected to convert its exsting percussion revolvers. It had roughly 1000 Remington New Model Navy percussion revolvers on hand, which had been in service since the Civil War."
In August of 1875 various Navy bases were ordered to send their Remington percussion revolvers to the factory for conversion.
While records of Odnance Department Colt conversions are better documented, 1,138 Richards conversions and 2,097 Navy Richards Mason conversions, it apears that Remington revolvers were converted in comparable numbers. The conversion revolvers of the post Civil War era were a stop gap measure and I would be reluctant to say that any one of them was a Primary Handgun on it's own.
Reference: A Study of Colt Conversions and Other Percussion Revolvers by R. Bruce Mc Dowell
Yours
Jay Strite
P.S. I you haven't read it allready please please read my post - Ordnance Officer Impression
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The Remington was not technicaly a "primary" milspec handgun. Like the M1917s to the M1911 in the first world war, it is considered a secondary, or substitute standard. It is, however, a significant military handgun, and is of demonstrated military use, both in its percussion and conversion forms, and as such is welcome in our compitions when paired with an appropriate longarm. The list at the beginning of this thread was simply to list the Primary, or Military standard sidearms of the respective countrys. To even attempt to list secondary and demonstrated military usage sidearms would take more bandwidth than the internet has available! But all such weapons documented are welcome, if not necessarly listed.
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Being a British revolver addict, I have an RIC New Model revolver also... an Army & Navy C.S.L. marked one ..... albeit chambered in .455. It is quite accurate, and a pleasure to shoot ......
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Webley%20and%20other%20revolvers/ric_06.jpg)
Thanks for posting that photo Grant. That looks to be the same creature as the one I'm considering, including the holster (though brown rather than black). I had simply assumed that it was in .450, I'll have to check to see if it really is or is instead in .455". Works for me, I have two boxes of old Dominion .455's around somewhere... :)
Spoke to my compadre who had owned the Adams, and sadly he had traded it away a few years ago. At least it went to another fellow with strong Canadian roots though, so I think it's pretty safe...
Now for the '76 Carbine... ;)
Cheers!
Gordon
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That's an outstanding looking handgun!
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Gordon:
SHB's post brought me back to this thread, and I noticed something you said in your post that I meant to respond to befpre, but didn't get around to .....
The holster in my photo is actually brown also - just a very dark brown from many years accumulation of leather dressing. The holster came with my very first Webley, a Mark V service revolver, with Q-broadarrow-G and Q-broadarrow-P property marks - signifying "Queensland Government" and "Queensland Police" (Australia). Even though the Mark V service revolver wasn't adopted until 1913, except for the model marking it is virtually indistinguishable from the earlier Mark IV (1899) and Mark III (1897), so its use is currently allowed under NCOWS rules (and would continue to be allowed under the new, expanded and clarified rules I have proposed for consideration at the upcoming NCOWS Convention) -
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Webley%20and%20other%20revolvers/webmkva.jpg)
The only significant difference between the Mark III and Mark IV was an improved grade of steel to better accommodate the first smokeless loads (cordite) and then on the Mark V the cylinder walls were increased slightly in thickness for the nitro smokeless loads which were subsequently introduced ..... To illustrate that there is no apparent difference, here is a Mark III Webley service revolver -
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Webley%20and%20other%20revolvers/MkIIIstandard.jpg)
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I don't know if it was ever officially adopted, but I believe the Merwin Hulbert was popular in Russia between the S&W #3 and the Nagant.
It was the .44, maybe private purchase.
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A handgun of demonstrated military usage, and welcome when paired with an appropriate longarm.
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Grant, just to let you know I picked up that Webley the other day. It looks virtually identical to the one you posted, but with the shorter .450" cylinder rather than the longer .455" cylinder. Sweet little pistol, I have to say, and came complete with a holster and 100 rounds of Fiocchi ammo for it, too! I'll post a photo as soon as I can manage to get one of it.
Cheers!
Gordon
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Sounds great, Gordon. I look forward to seeing the photos!
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I'm jealous of both of you!
;)
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Grant, here is the little RIC, complete with it's original holster (at least it was original to it when my friend bought it!). I haven't done any real research on this specific piece yet, but the fellow I got it from said that his research indicated that it was manufactured in 1885 or so, which sounds good to me!
(http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs489.snc3/26733_1401983331874_1301047720_1135414_7055179_n.jpg)
Looks a little stubbier than yours due to the shorter cylinder, but what the heck, still a "secondary service revolver", even in .450". Ought to shoot nicely, too!
Cheers!
Gordon
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Mmmmm ..... very nice looking revolver! :o
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Very VERY nice looking revolver........excuse me while I wipe the drool off my keyboard.....
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Thank you, Gentlemen! Now all I need is either a Snider Carbine, a Martini-Henry Carbine or, better yet, a Winchester '76 Carbine to round out the set! Might take a while for the Winchester though... :o
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I don't believe that the NWMP received any Martin-Henry carbines. 10 were ordered in 1874 for test purposes but a delay in approving the weapon, or specifically the ammunition, put off their availability until 1877. What was issued to the force in 1874 were 10 M-H rifles. They were not adopted for service, and only one per troop were issued. As far as I can see they were only of any use in shooting matches with the Militia.
What is interesting is that in 1874, due to the poor condition of the stock of Adams revolvers, 30 S&W "Old Model Russian" revolvers were purchased in Fort Benton and issued to recruits. One officer, Sub-Inspector Allen, owned a private purchase S&W OM Russian as well. This is the only NWMP revolver that is available as a newly made reproduction.
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Sir Charles: I didn't put down the Martini-Henry Carbine as something to use for a NWMP impression, I just want one for a general British Cavalry impression... ;) However, were I to do a NWMP impression I would acquire either the Snider or '76 Winchester Carbine.
Cheers!
Gordon
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It is not well known that the "NWMP Model" 1876 Winchester perhaps would be more correctly referred to as the "NWMP & Militia" model. A fair number (600, if memory serves) were also acquired by Canada's Department of Militia & Defence for issue to mounted troops during the 1885 North West Rebellion. Although their primary use was by provisional militia units raised in the Territories, they were also issued to regular cavalry units on active service.
This photo shows members of the Governor General's Body Guard (cavalry regiment from Toronto) in camp -
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/NWMP%20carbine/Governor-GeneralsBodyGuardAtentsqua.jpg)
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awesome picture
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What about a Walker conversion? It was "milspec" during the Mexican American War as a cap & ball behemoth. I can imagine that some enterprising soul might have had one converted (I have two converted to .45LC) and carried it into the Indian Wars, along with a Sharps or even Trapdoor. I normally shoot a Sharps Carbine and Schofield when shooting Milspec, but am planning to shoot my Walker in GAF category for a local match with the Plum Creek Shooting Society in December. What say you experts? Do I have to shoot Scout or am I ok milspec single-shot?
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Absolutely! Rule of thumb: you can use a handgun of an earlier period than your rifle, but not later. Can't get much earlier than a Walker!
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Just curious, what're the thoughts on the 1875 Remington? If this is somewhere else in the forum, forgive me.
Been asking you folks for a ton of information on old military rifles, and it turns out, I had never even looked into GAF. It sounds fantastic!
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No problem, an 1875 Remington could be used in any GAF category. Although they weren't issued(at least not for US) they were from the time period and could have been used as a private purchase.
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Colt type single action revolvers/ what is an acceptable caliber and barrel lenght?
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Any caliber .38 or greater, any barrel length. A scout/contractor might carry anything.
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Since I now have a functional Kropatchek rifle, does anyone have any ideas as to what handguns might have been issued to Portuguese soldiers? A brief internet search seems to show only that Portugal's military is pretty much ignored. I know that they previously used Snyder and Martini-Henry rifles, did they also use British revolvers?
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Pony Express:
For the era in which the Kropatchek rifle was in use, the official military handgun of Portugal was the 9.1mm (approx. .36 caliber) "Abadie" revolver of Belgian origin - "Model 1878" (officers) and "Model 1886" (enlisted personnel) -
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Guns%20Misc/Abadie%20revolver%20M1886_zpsyprrjhhb.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Guns%20Misc/Abadie%20revolver_Standard%20Catalogue%20of%20Military%20firearms_zpsgohxrx1e.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Guns%20Misc/Abadie%20Revolvers_Portugal_800_zpszvdhtzst.jpg)
Here are a few links you might find of interest ... and if you do a Google search it should turn up lots more (many of them in Portuguese, French, German, etc. ... but the online translation services should help with that ...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH23BmanwFY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH23BmanwFY)
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.488959277905943.1073741875.453306668137871&type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.488959277905943.1073741875.453306668137871&type=1)
http://tonnel-ufo.ru/eanglish/weapon/revolver-abadie-m-1878-m-1886.php (http://tonnel-ufo.ru/eanglish/weapon/revolver-abadie-m-1878-m-1886.php)
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Forgot I had this set aside to scan, also ... it is from the third volume of British author A.W.F. Taylerson's epic three-volume "The Revolver" (Vol. 1: "1818-1865", Vol. 2: "1865-1888", Vol. 3: "1889-1914") ...
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Guns%20Misc/Abadie%20revolvers-Taylerson_1_zpsuk6djmiq.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Guns%20Misc/Abadie%20revolvers-Taylerson_2_zpsv2crbr6i.jpg)
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Guns%20Misc/Abadie%20revolvers-Taylerson_3_zps4ikcb8ez.jpg)
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Thanks, RSJ! Looks like finding one of those that is affordable might depend on someone not knowing what they have.....Maybe substitute an officer's model Bodeo, Russian Nagant, or maybe just use my French 1892. I have seen some similar looking Belgian revolvers listed as 9mm, though.