conversions for the Remington Pocket Pistol

[Raven]

Can't figure how these little shooters can be close to accurate . Mine has a barrel groove measurement of .323 and the chambers are right around .315 .
 Wish I could get it to shoot at 15 yards what my .32 H&R mag Single Six does at 25 , that would be a hoot.lol

The thing that we all need to remember........Original conversions were a stop-gap until the cartridge revolvers came on line and to use up percussion parts. And also that modern conversions are a COMPROMISE.......
In the .32 percussion pistols the bore diameter is .323 and modern .32 bullets are .312. For cowboy matches still plenty accurate.
If you want supperior accuracy we can ream the chambers to match the bore and you can handload.

The single six was made from the beginning to shoot .32 H&R Mag........Highly accurate!
The Uberti Pocket Remington was made to shoot .32 round ball converted to cartridge.........Compromise!

That .22 looks just like what I'll want. will you convert my brass frame?

Brass frames are not a problem with the .22 converter

Raven

[Slowhand Bob]

How about a .22WMR cylinder and barl?  Finally a real use for the Lilliputians.  They would then make excellent little watch fob pistols.

[Cookie]

Trying to decide which pocket pistol to buy....

Do you make these convertors to match the nickel plated version?

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[florko]

    I have been thinking about some of the same things with a pair of "58s that i have...
couldn't you replace the barrel on the pocket remington with a new one from a .32 acp? it seems like all you would have to do is turn it down, carve a forcing cone into it and thread it into place... it may take a few trys to get the headspace right but wouldn't that make it a tad more accurate?
    and as far as getting .32S&W loaded to .32 acp spec... wouldn't it be easier to ream out the chambers to fit the acp? I know that it is not an ideal solution, but it would make it a heck of a lot easier to get amo for it. I'm living in hawaii and the S&W short is VERY hard to come by!

[Raven]

 I have been thinking about some of the same things with a pair of "58s that i have...
couldn't you replace the barrel on the pocket remington with a new one from a .32 acp? it seems like all you would have to do is turn it down, carve a forcing cone into it and thread it into place... it may take a few trys to get the headspace right but wouldn't that make it a tad more accurate?
    and as far as getting .32S&W loaded to .32 acp spec... wouldn't it be easier to ream out the chambers to fit the acp? I know that it is not an ideal solution, but it would make it a heck of a lot easier to get amo for it. I'm living in hawaii and the S&W short is VERY hard to come by!

Chambering for .32 ACP will not work Because of chambering/headspace issues.
The easiest way is reloading NO Matter how you try and juggle it! also the least expensive and you can load for everything else you shoot ...... ultimatly paying for it self!
Putting a new Barrel on is realetively easy...most of the steps you described but we are talking about 8 hours of work plus parts
Old School (read OLD) gunsmiths who long ago paid off thier houses are still charging $45 dollars an hour. Those of us who are still young ::)and have to bills pay are charging $65 and up depending on where they are. so best case is $360 for the install + $5 an inch for the barrel and then you still need to buy an converter. And you will need to buy 2 extra inches of barrel

We get asked regularly about whether or not the .32 would work with their pet cartridge.......We have thought about this a LOT and lost a LOT of sleep over it .....The only inexpensive solution is to reload. Or a bunch of you gang up on the cartridge companies and get them to load for it.
And while your at it get them to load .41 Colt healed base so we can shoot all those guns chambered for it....a by product would be that the .38 Kirst Conversions would be HIGHLY accurate.

Raven

[Earl Brasse]

Howdy Raven,

Now those are cool !  Pietta should be sending you a "Thank You" card as this should generate more sales.  Not to mention the possible increase in custom suspender holster sales.

A couple of questions...

How about boring the chambers longer to take .32 S&W Long?

If not enough length for factory (except maybe full wad-cutter) Longs, maybe it would allow something in between by cutting the cases to allow as much case as possible for BP?

Have you tried 4F BP in it with .32 S&W?  The old Lyman BP Handbook listed loads for the'49 Colt .31 with 4F.  Maybe Swiss 4F would  be enough ?

Keep up the good work,

Earl

[Hoof Hearted]

Earl

Early on Walt and Raven had me do T&D on this batch of Remington cylinders (but all should know that the Colt Pocket works fine) after we started experiencing "skipping" reports.
I believe that we went over all this in another post (or CRS is masquerading as deja-vue) but the strange combination of tolerances, Italian re-engineering, and calber led us to the conclusion that the chambering of these cylinders as manufactured is not adequate.
In smokeless as factory loaded the cylinder "skips" when fired. We upped spring tension, we "worked" on actions, we eventually discovered (solely my opinion) that the combo of the offset bolt stop (right of centerline) and the lack of sealing (or bullet jump) was causing a strange time (short or long) of primer setback. This is a problem with blanks in single actions as the primer backs out of the case. I think that either the primer is kicking the hammer back slightly, unlocking the cylinder or the bolt is"bouncing". I tried enlarging the flash holes but it did not seem to make a difference.

What we did learn is that stouter loads ie; full cases of 3f or a different chambering all together are needed. The 32 loaded with 3f works fine and with a dead soft bullet  (because of obturation) works well!

Of course the chambers can be sleeved for sub calibers. But 32 Colt is smaller at the base so that is out.
The cylinder is not long enough for 32 S&W long but could easily be reamed for a "short: 32 S&W Long (see I answered your question).

I think a heeled version of the 32 S&W could be made easy enough and have spoken with Bernie Rowles about doing so.

The original nickle Pocket conversion picture back a bit by me is a 32 rimfire which has been re-converted to centerfire (as were many). It fires the 32 Colt and works fine. 32 Colt fills te bore nicely also.

[Slowhand Bob]

I have never ventured beyond basic reloading but there is something I have heard of and wonder if it would work in reverse.  I have always heard of drilling out the nose of bullets to achieve hollow points, would something similar to this be practical to obtain hollow base bullets?  Sure to be slow but how may of these would most fokes normally shoot down range?

[Hoof Hearted]

Bob

Bernie has made me hollow base moulds and this certainly is doable, look for future updates regarding this, solutions are in the works (HH ones for Kirst products, not Kirst solutions).
I am also working on a reamer (for the chambers) and then a heel base mould and lubrisizer die.

These are small fixes for a small market (experienced/dedicated handloaders) and not something that Kirst/Strite would do as their product HAS to be made for factory ammunition.

HHMB

[Slowhand Bob]

I have a pair of the little steel frame 32 Piettas but I certainly would only be interested in the easiest route, to lazy to mix my fun with work I guess.  I do think if the bugs are worked out they will make fun side match guns and would look good, as a pair,  housed in suspender holsters.

[florko]

Thank you for the responce!
     I am sad to hear that the .32ACP will not work. It looks like I will have to look into reloading.

I did notice that someone else asked about trying to fit .22magnum into that little thing,,, i think that the cylinder would not be long enough for it, but it would be real neet if you could manage it in little revolver like that.

How about a .22WMR cylinder and barl?  Finally a real use for the Lilliputians.  They would then make excellent little watch fob pistols.

As far as i know, North American Arms makes the only small revolvers that come close to something like that. The EARL and i'm almost sure that they have a little break-top modle sort of like the old Schofield that they just came out with:)

[ky_medic]

I found this old post while doing a search . I have a 31 brass framed Remington ( clone )  pocket I would love to get a 22 conversion kit for . Are these still available ? Thanks in advance !