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Special Interests - Groups & Societies => USFA CSS => Topic started by: Appalachian Ed on September 28, 2009, 09:06:26 PM
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The project is cancelled according to posts on the N-SSA board.
-Ed
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Pretty much confirms what many of us have suspected for quite some time now.
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Thanks for the update Ed. I am really disappointed with USFA on this one and it is not just because they chose not to do the project, but because they used very poor marketing and customer service tactics during the course of this entire fiasco. The least they could do at this point is to put an announcement on their website that the project is cancelled and to thank their customers for the interest they showed. That would be the cowboy way to do things. I bet they never told their various FFLs that the orders that had been put in for the guns would not be honored. I know my FFL was never informed.
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Why would any legitimate FFL holder take deposits on a gun that does not exist? That's an incompetent dealer issue. As far as I know USFA never solicited or accepted any orders. I do agree that they should have handled the PR on this a lot better
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My FFL placed an order with Gary Granger after they had announced the first date of release. No money was given to my FFL. All I am saying is that USFA knows who they took orders from and those individuals should be notified if the project is cancelled. It is a case of poor communication on their part. There is NO issue of my FFL being "incompetent".
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Hopefully he got his money back from them and I agree they could have handled this better. I wanted one, but never got a straight answer until now...........that it is cancelled that is! :-\
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Ok. I will say this one more time. NO money exchanged hands. My FFL simply ordered one from Gary Granger when they were first announced.
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Got it sorry I misread....... :o
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I called Gary Granger to confirm this. I told him about this particular thread which I am responding to so I could confirm it.
After talking to Gary Granger, I've come to the conclusion that Doug Donnally does not keep his employees well informed. :-X
Translation, Gary found out about this "cancellation" FROM ME and nobody at USFA told him about it. ???
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I called Gary Granger to confirm this. I told him about this particular thread which I am responding to so I could confirm it.
After talking to Gary Granger, I've come to the conclusion that Doug Donnally does not keep his employees well informed. :-X
Translation, Gary found out about this "cancellation" FROM ME and nobody at USFA told him about it. ???
Could this have something to do with Gary's recent "vacation" from the company?
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Could this have something to do with Gary's recent "vacation" from the company?
Well, now you know why he accepted an order for a non-existent gun.
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Could this have something to do with Gary's recent "vacation" from the company?
That's a good question Deadeye. Truth be told, I never even brought up the subject of the "vacation".
My only interest was to learn the truth of of the matter.
The top brass at USFA didn't share any information with him simply because he is at a lower pay grade.
He told about the seven Remingtons that USFA did build. Four 1858's and three 1875's. Gary personally handled and fired each gun. The same top notch quality we've come to expect from USFA were present on these guns. The guns are currently in the hands of the folks at Remington Arms. Why Remington would want to pass on such great guns is beyond his comprehension.
He did speculate that maybe the folks at Remington Arms might want to manufacture these revolvers at their Ilion, NY facility instead.
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That would be cool if Remington stepped up now, but only if the quality would be on par with USFA.
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That would be cool if Remington stepped up now, but only if the quality would be on par with USFA.
Let us hope that Remington would be up to the challenge.
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Guys,
I think you are all gonna have to get used to the idea, that we are not gonna see a Remington come out of USFA. I mean, JEEZUZ, we can't even get a definitive answer about it from USFA.
I really think the Rem project went south for good, when Remington was sold. I think the new owners had no interest in producing 19th century firearms, and may be why the Spartan shotgun went back to EAA.
That is spectulation on my part, but I am 99.9999% sure that we are not gonna see a USFA Remington.
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And I am 100% sure that Rawhide is 99.9999% right.
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Well let's step back and take stock. Here are some ideas that us guys have to get used to.
USFA Magnum Series=$1,495.00
USFA Old Armory Original Series 1st Generation Specifications =$1,995.00
USFA Old Armory Original .455 ELEY=$2,185.00
USFA Old Armory Original Rare Ejectorless=$1,895.00
USFA Officers Model 1911=$1,999.00
USFA Officers Model - 45 ACP Tactical=$3,599.00
Not reproducing a revolver that was every bit as effective, reliable, durable, and good looking as a Colt Peacemaker?=Priceless
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Around my firehouse, the guys were the worst when it came to rumors and gossip. I see nothing is different here.
Some of you appear to want a pound of flesh from Gary because a Remington model is not available, but at the same time you complain about paying for the quality USFA produces. Did you ever think that Gary shared the same enthusiasm as everyone else at the idea of USFA producing some Remington models? It just wasn't in the cards, and Gary does not make the final decisions at USFA, Doug does.
USFA still provides us with numerous SAA models and variants at pretty good prices. I for one am glad to see USFA try to grow by making other models. If USFA tried to make the forum members happy, which wouldn't happen anyway, USFA would have closed their doors a long time ago.
USFA's mission is to produce quality firearms at the lowest possible prices, not firearms at low prices at the expense of quality!
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I'm not really sure anybody is wanting "a pound of flesh from Gary".
I think what folks are wanting, and in my opinion deserve, are some answers from USFA that have been absent for way too long.
It just wasn't in the cards, and Gary does not make the final decisions at USFA, Doug does.
Gary is the Sales Manager for USFA and most people would think that a Sales Manager would privy to company plans about production of future models. But for that matter, nothing would stop Doug Donnally from coming on here and making a statement regarding the Remington if he was truly concerned about what it looks like for his company.
Don't be too critical of the members here, they've all seemed to have been pretty patient, considering it has been, what 2 - 3 years now?
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I'm not really sure anybody is wanting "a pound of flesh from Gary".
I think what folks are wanting, and in my opinion deserve, are some answers from USFA that have been absent for way too long.
Gary is the Sales Manager for USFA and most people would think that a Sales Manager would privy to company plans about production of future models. But for that matter, nothing would stop Doug Donnally from coming on here and making a statement regarding the Remington if he was truly concerned about what it looks like for his company.
Don't be too critical of the members here, they've all seemed to have been pretty patient, considering it has been, what 2 - 3 years now?
I agree on all of this. I have never blamed Gary Granger, but I do blame USFA as a company for not handling this Remington issue in the best interest of their customer base. Personally, I have never been critical of the prices USFA has charged. I was willing to pay the approximately $1700 for an 1875 in nickel.
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Many of of you misunderstand my stance on the price issue. Many of these high quality guns are the greatest American made examples I have seen so far. If I want a pair of Rodeo revolvers, no big deal. But given these hard economics times we are suffering right now...
Truth be told, I would have gladly payed the $1,850.00 for the Remington 1875.
And another thing, I've had very cordial conversations with Gary Granger over the whole deal.
I would never ask anything more of him than he was capable of delivering.
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Listen, we all can agree that we would like to see some things be different, or improved upon. I fully understand many of us, me included, wish that the Remington thing worked out. We also all wish USFA gave out more info. The reality is USFA is obviously being very careful and limited in dishing out info, and Gary is in between us and his boss. I believe Gary tries very hard at trying to satisfy both ends without causing difficulties at either end. Where I get upset is at the point a man's livelyhood is being talked about when people don't have facts, or that man's boss is being critisized in a forum when it is obvious that he is not responding about this matter at this time or any other time. Mr. Donnelly has his reasons for doing what he does, and he makes the decisions of what and how products are made at his facility, and how his company disseminates information.
So as far as I am concerned, I continue to purchase USFA products because it is what I want and the high quality that obviously continues to go into them. I enjoy discussing about their products in this forum as well as others because of our common interest in them, and again the high quality that goes into them. However, I don't see where we deserve an answer about something that didn't work out when we did not personally invest anything more than displaying an interest in it. We were not harmed or even really inconvenienced in any way. It just seems obvious that beating this particular dead horse is going nowhere except to cause Gary difficulties. And I believe we all can agree that Gary has been an asset to USFA, so I for one don't need to give him any more grief on this subject.
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'Beating a Dead Horse'.? !..This has gone beyond a beating into the realm of vile desecration of the USFA Corp. over harm never done to anyone.
I am planning on buying a USFA as we speak and am glad they are there to give me the product I am seeking.
MD
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I have bought 3 USFAs and the first was because Gary provided excellent customer service. That sold two more. I would say that he's doing his job.
Now, as to the owners. Sometimes owners don't communicate with employees and so employees can't answer questions. I've experienced that, asked for improvements and seen none. Some folks don't see info as customer service but as power. Of course I've no way to know what goes on inside the company. I like the USFA SAs. I honestly don't see the need for other products but that's just me. I probably would have bought a 1858 but not a 1875. Again, that's me. I think that any time a company has to partner with another company things will happen that can't be controlled. I think this is what happened with the USFA Remington project(s). Too bad, so sad. I have a very nice Uberti forged frame that will do and is miles ahead of the repros we had in 1970...