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Shotguns / Re: Are '87's having a moment?
« Last post by RRio on Today at 03:42:21 PM »
:)  Reverend  ;)

I must agree we are on basically the same page.  Almost.  The "Go Fast" '87 guys and gals, whom have invested in the appropriate action work and the fabled "Drop Two" mod are able to demonstrate some real speed.  Doesn't change the fact, an '87 just ain't a Hammer Double.  SO:

I am a firm believer, it matters NOT how well or fast you shoot, so long as you look REALLY REALLY good doing it.  It's a GAME and STYLE matters you betcha!!

Where I shoot, we can load 87's to the max the way they were supposed to be shot. The same with 97's. No penalty for not shooting a SxS.
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Go a bit further back and guerillas, I do not really remember reading much about carbines with them.  I read shotguns, then pistols, lots and lots of pistols.   
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The Army went to a scabbard for a couple of reasons.  The old carbine sling and socket did absolutely nothing to protect the piece, and it also pretty much ensured the carbine stock would be broken and the trooper injured if he was thrown while wearing it.  Personally, me being on a horse, especially if I tried to fire a firearm while there, would be extremely bad for both me and the horse!
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The saddle ring was a military thing, back when it was used in conjunction with a sling across the body.

That way, the trooper could fire the single round - drop the piece and yet retain it to reload to try again.

The Cavalry actually practiced this and trained for it - as they did with trained mounts - that's something civilians generally did not do.

Also - Cavalry fought dismounted - using a horse handler to handle the reins during the action - they fully understood that a standing or kneeling man could probably actually hit his target without the pitching and movement of a horse.

Weapon retention was a valuable idea - no doubt leading to the inclusion of saddle rings on carbines later in time, but there were no corresponding slings - largely because the weapon now used a scabbard, instead of the loop of the saddle's equipment that held the barrel in one place.

The military discontinued used of the ring around 1896, with the first of the Krag carbines - it stayed on civilian carbines to this day.

Unless the horse has been trained to ignore gunfire, his appreciation of hearing the round being fired is less than optimal, so if you're going to take that shot - better get screwed down...

Scouts Out!
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SCORRS / Re: Sixgun Spotlight - A New Series On My Channel
« Last post by DeaconKC on Yesterday at 08:53:25 PM »
Rube did a fine job, check it out.
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Frontier Iron / Re: Something Wonderful My Way Cometh....
« Last post by Tuolumne Lawman on Yesterday at 02:56:12 PM »
Absolutely wonderful revolvers!  Shot pretty much dead on with 246 grain .44 Russian factory duplication loads (5.3 grains of Unique).  Never dropped a shot.  Next is the annual match at Railroad Flat in the end of May.  Thats a 12 stage match with side matches.  That will wring them out thoroughly for part two of the article.
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SCORRS / Sixgun Spotlight - A New Series On My Channel
« Last post by Rube Burrows on Yesterday at 10:41:04 AM »
Decided to do a new series on my channel called Sixgun Spotlight.
Figured I would do the Remington 1875 in the first installment.

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I've never used the saddle ring on the different carbines, and I've never seen them used on actual carrying vis-a-viz riding and hunting- not to say other folks don't have different experience.  I always dismounted if I was going to take a rifle shot, so the shorter barrels could be a little handier drawing out of the scabbard, but the best luck I had was with either my old 1894 (26" barrel) or my model 71 with the 24" barrel.  I've taken one or two shots with a pistol off a horse, but the ensuing rodeo is not worth the fuss.  Now, my experience may be far different from most folks that have a lot more experience than I do ;)
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Shotguns / Re: Anyone have any problems with Brass shells in 87 ?
« Last post by Cap'n Redneck on Yesterday at 05:46:11 AM »
The MagTech 2-7/16" shells should duplicate the 2,5" shells that the 1887 was constructed for pretty closely.
Back in the day the 2,5" all-brass shells would have been roll crimped too.

I have an early-production Norinco 1887 chambered in 12/70.  I use un-cut, un-crimped MagTech all-brass shells, but do not load them from the magazine; I put one in the chamber and one down on the cartridge lift.  I have done some smoothing of rough edges inside the receiver / chamber area, and this set-up has served me well for years in CAS-mainmatch.

I will have to do some more experimenting with paper or plastic shells in order to make it feed six shells from the magazine for Wild Bunch.
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Upcoming Musters / Re: Dept. of the Missouri Muster
« Last post by Sam Perfye on Yesterday at 05:31:33 AM »
Slim, we'll be shooting at either AR500 steel or paper. Anything short of AP will be o.k.
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