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Tall Tales / Re: April 1, Fooling around making the coffee & toast
« Last post by Delmonico on April 21, 2024, 12:38:59 PM »
Going for groceries, Rita is making shrimp mac and cheese tonight, I'm making Sloppy Joes tomorrow and some homemade bread, going to make plenty and freeze.  Going to make extra iced tea and put it in quart jars undiluted.  Give us stuff for the rest of the week without having to do much.  A friend of Rita's is taking her and my youngest taking me, different hospitals.  Then Rita's daughter is going to pretend she is a responsible adult and going to stay here Tuesday night.  We are both supposed to do it outpatient but things can change.   
 
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Books & Movies / Jane Got Her Gun
« Last post by middletownbob on April 21, 2024, 08:19:16 AM »
Watching this on Prime and seems pretty good, the guns used are period 1871 with mostly conversions ie Walker conversion is cool....
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Tall Tales / Re: April 1, Fooling around making the coffee & toast
« Last post by Silver Creek Slim on April 21, 2024, 07:44:06 AM »
Morning y'all.
Coffee and tea are hot.

Hmmm, if you think about it, yeah everything I have is at least no newer designed than mid- 20 century.
My new Smith is basically a J-frame first introduced in the 50's. and my Springfield EMP is an updated 9MM rendition of a 1911.
A scary black rifle. A Bushmaster XM15-E2S.

'Tis 25 and sunny. High of 57.

Slim
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Upcoming Musters / Re: Dept. of the Missouri Muster
« Last post by Major 2 on April 21, 2024, 04:02:33 AM »
Here's hoping someone will record the "goings on" for posterity and those attending vicariously.
Looking forward to the photo's :)
 
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Tall Tales / Re: April 1, Fooling around making the coffee & toast
« Last post by Major 2 on April 21, 2024, 03:56:30 AM »
Hmmm, if you think about it, yeah everything I have is at least no newer designed than mid- 20 century.
My new Smith is basically a J-frame first introduced in the 50's. and my Springfield EMP is an updated 9MM rendition of a 1911.



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Tall Tales / Re: April 1, Fooling around making the coffee & toast
« Last post by Silver Creek Slim on April 20, 2024, 11:39:03 PM »
I am getting modern. I bought a rifle today that was designed in the 1960's.  ::)

Slim
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Tall Tales / Re: April 1, Fooling around making the coffee & toast
« Last post by Major 2 on April 20, 2024, 09:47:55 PM »
" Also also, do not bother to try to “unsubscribe” from anything anymore, it just confirms to the bad players that they have a live email"

that's good to know  :)
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Upcoming Musters / Re: Dept. of the Missouri Muster
« Last post by Silver Creek Slim on April 20, 2024, 09:35:31 PM »
I just finished changing the firing pin on my 1893 Marlin. It should be back in the game.  :D

Slim
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The Darksider's Den / Re: .45 Cowboy Special
« Last post by Mako on April 20, 2024, 09:22:34 PM »
I got curious and dug up those heavy .45 ACP bullets I had run across a few weeks back.  The ones I have were loaded by one of my friends for a 1950 and it uses:

  • LYMAN/IDEAL 452423 .45 CAL 242 GRAIN (actually weighs 244 gr) bullets
  • 6.0 Gr of unique which in almost all manuals except for the old Lyman manual of 1970 is a .45+P load
  • CCI 300 Primers
  • and any piece of brass he scrounged up

Leon noted it as "Very Accurate"  which means it actually was.  I don't know where you could get those bullets or the mold today.

 

I have some data on 250gr and 255gr .45 ACP and ,45 Auto Rim somewhere as well, I need to find my .45ACP revolver notes, they are in a notebook somewhere and not in a computer file.

Those are SOFT lead bullets that weigh 244gr, the cast bullet in 20:1 or WW would be 242gr.   Leon was experimenting with a soft lead Ø.452 bullet to work in the Ø.454 Groove Bore he had.  We also tried Ø.453 and Ø.454 sized bullets (I think the Ø.454 were "as cast") but they bulged the case if the case was normally sized. We tried all kinds of things, but to get them to chamber an all of our revolvers (and even 1911s) you dad to use a standard full die with the standard expander.  If I remember correctly one of the carbide dies we had made them too tight and we were using asteel die.  Back then Carbide dies were not even that common, I think they came out in the late '60s and were expensive at the time.   You can't tell from the photo but that case has a slight swell in it, there is a slight taper on the old RCBS .45ACP steel sizing dies to match the .003" diameter difference on the case from front to rear.

I don't know how any of you use carbide dies to size 9mm brass but that makes them "straight walled", 9x19mm has a 0.011" diameter difference from front to rear, that's a lot, it is a true tapered case.  That is one of the reasons a .38 Super is inherently more accurate than a 9x19 with reloaded ammunition in a correctly chambered barrel (there are other reasons as well).  The .38 Super is actually a true straight wall case.  The 9X23 Win (same length as the .38 Super) isn't as accurate or as "clean" as the .38 Super either, it fouls out a lot sooner.  Lot's of little details there.

Back to the .45 ACP which is an almost straight walled case.  With soft bullets the Ø.452 worked just as well as the Ø.453 sized bullets, and the Ø.454 leaded the forcing cone.  I believe those were the days before the cheap Lee push through dies were common and we had to buy dies for the Lyman Lube sizer and you had a hard time getting anything other than Ø.452 or Ø.458.  Those others were "custom" (maybe the Ø.454 was available) and you had to wait for them.

I had to look the mold up, but I know it was a Lyman Mold.  I also know it was throwing a heavier bullet than the mold spec with 4 Hbn lead.  I have some of those unloaded bullets somewhere, also 250gr and 255gr that I was using for the "conversion cylinders".

~Mako
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Shotguns / Re: Are '87's having a moment?
« Last post by Cap'n Redneck on April 20, 2024, 09:17:40 PM »
In order to counter the view held by some that the '87 is not "cowboy", I'd like to direct y'alls attention to page 210 of "The Expressmen". (Time-Life Books, The Old West).

It depicts a Wells Fargo express wagon rolling out of the Homestake Mine, South Dakota in 1890.
Two of the four express messengers on the wagon hold 1887 shotguns at the ready.

That is cowboy enough for me.

(Now, with a bit of luck the undersigned might even be able to post a copy of said photo, for y'alls viewing pleasure...?)
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