$hiloh $harps

[buck]

try as I might, I just can't seem to get my shiloh sharps for less than $3400.   With all the purty extras I "need"  hehe   

I am taking a trip to the nearest Cabella's store this monday and I guess I'm going to have to check out the the Pederalsoli (sp?) sharps.  Does anyone have any pros or cons about this rifle?

I'm looking for a 45-70 and I want to shoot just black powder.

[Delmonico]

The Pedersoli will shoot much better than most shooters can.

[Silver Creek Slim]

Here, here.

Slim

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[Trap]

  Buck, what is it you are looking for? I have a pretty unique pedrasoli 45/70 that I might part with.    jt

[Driftwood Johnson]

Howdy

Be sure to check out the sales at Dixie Gunworks. They have periodic sales on selected models. I saved $200 over the regular price of my Dixie 'Silhouette Model' Pedersoli Sharps a couple of years ago. It had all the features I wanted, a nice plain stock with shotgun style buttplate, pistol grip, double set triggers, 30" heavy barrel in 45-70. I particularly was not interested in any 'fancy' extras like checkering or a pewter forend cap. To tell you the truth, I wasn't impressed with the execution of checkering or pewter nose caps on the Italian Sharps I had seen. I'm happier with a 'plain jane' model that I won't be agrivated over poorly executed details.

It ain't a Shiloh, but my Pedersoli Sharps shoots much better than I can take advantage of.

[Doc Shapiro]

I had a Pedersoli rolling block.  I once shot a 4 1/2 inch 5 shot group on a clear day with no wind at 500m.  I was working up a BP sillywet load.

Good guns.

[Griff]

I have to agree with the replies you have so far.  The Pedersoli will probably shoot as well as the average shooter is capable.  However, you couldn't give me five Pedersolis for my Shiloh Sharps.  Yep, mine's 20 years old, and the best investment in a firearm I've ever made.  Talk to me in another 20 years, and I'll probably be even happier.  There is a good reason that my 20 year old Shiloh is worth as much as a new one, it's probably the finest example of the gunmakers art available.

Edited to show photo: 

This is the Long Range Express with the barrel cut to 30" to make BPCS weight limit.  Sights were the factory offering at the time.  No barrel mounted rear sight.  Chambered in .40-90SBN  Chronographed some loads today:  The surprise of the day came with the BP loads in my Shiloh which averaged: 1576fps, ES was 17.28 and SD was 8.71! For a volume measured 90grs. of 2F Goex, over a WLR primer, with a 350gr spire point bullet, lubed w/SPG and a waxed card wad, I was astounded at their consistent velocity. At least I think that is consistent. The smokeless load that I was using in the .40-90SBN was the same WLR primers in .45 Basic brass formed and cut to the 2.625 length; 29 grs of AA5744 with the same 350gr bullet. No card wad with the smokeless loads. Average was 1582.333, ES: 19, with a SD of: 2.5 if I have the calculation correct. We forgot to record this reading off the Chrony, and then cleared it. I tried to recreate the formula in my spreadsheet and I come up with a slightly different number for the BP load (9.5 vs 8.71) so I think this 2.5 number is off. But, by how much I'm not sure.

[buck]

thank you everyone for all the replies.  I appreciate your input.  I'm looking for a long range gun for cowboy shooting, trap, but if I ever want to shoot any NRA shoots I have to keep the weight down to no more than 12.2 pounds.  For all the shooting I probably would do the pedersoli sharps is probably my best bet.  I only wanted the shilo sharps because all I've ever heard is how beautiful the workmanship is and how they retain their value.  Not that I would ever sell it.

I wanted a 45-70 and would just shoot blackpowder...cause thats what it was made for, and I think it would be more fun.    I would like to hear about your rifle, trap, and see any pictures if you have any.