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Butt Butt wait!!  Da new poll gotz no boxes to putt da X in??  :P

NO NO NO!!  Plastic "WADs".  Just plastic WADs.  Da wad includes the ever necessary Shot Cup.  All Brass Hulls ONLY

Coffinmaker (one wurd)
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The Darksider's Den / Re: We're not at the grocery store, but "Paper or Plastic"
« Last post by Mako on April 18, 2024, 09:47:50 AM »
Coffinmaker (one wurd),
So you admit to dabbling on the "wild side"  your vote includes PLASTIC hulls.  Interesting, what other habits do you have?

~Mako

PS- I don't slit my shot cups when I use them in a Brass hull, the shot and wad probably hit as almost a clump. I have a bag of BP12 un-slit wads actually meant for non lead loads and a bag of TPS-12 wads (no compression section and used to be called something else).
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Awrightie!!  I been shamed.  Shamed I tell ya!!  But Never Surrender (Stolen Semi-Famous Movie Line) Marching onward!!  Challenge ACCEPTED!!  I went back to da TOP and voted I did.  So There.  TAKE THAT!!  Ha !!!!!!

My recipe is (NO, not for cake) started with a nice Magtech Hull.  Prime it.  Use any Large Pistol Primer, just make sure it seats fully.  I use a press.  Flip it over (very important).  Dump in 40Gr APP 2F.  Yea, that's right, APP, stuff works a treat.  Poke in a BP SPITFIRE plastic (at'z right you heathens, "Plastic") wad for a one ounce pay load.  I use to use fiber wads but they blew a gaping hole inna middle of da pattern.  Found a "shot cup" of some sort is super beneficial.  I also use to use a BP 1044 wad but got tired of cutting the petals for a one ounce payload.  Then dump in one ounce of shot, new or used dudden matter.  Shove in TWO over shot cards, seated with a three quarter inch stick.  NO CRIMP!!  Done.  Any popper fair hit goes down.  For maximum Oohs and Aahs, must be shot thru a Hammer Double, none of that non-cowboy pump handle stuff atall.  So there it be!!  TA DA!!

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The Darksider's Den / Re: We're not at the grocery store, but "Paper or Plastic"
« Last post by Mako on April 18, 2024, 09:39:48 AM »
OKAY...

I had to redo the poll, everyone vote again.

I couldn't add the option to change your vote or the number of times to the original poll.  We are still locked into only two votes.  I'm sorry, but  it complicates the wad selection.  So, do your best and muddle through it please.

So you have two votes, use one for hull type(s) and the second for wads.  You now have the option of going back and changing your vote if you realize there was a better option for you. And if I add more categories later because someone points out I missed something you can go back and change your vote now.

The main purpose of the poll and the thread is to instigate discussion, secondarily it allows me to see what the community has chosen to use.  We are an outlier bunch by our very natures so we will not be anything like other scattergun users.  I for one like a shot cup just to keep the shot pattern tight so I even use a cup on top of a wad column in brass shells.  We are aiming at targets at very close ranges and our pattern is ideally about the size of a softball.   I want every pellet on the plate.

I attached what the poll count looked like below before I redid the poll to answer the conundrum Coffinmaker (one wurd), Abilene and Mogorilla found themselves in as to an answer about shell types.

~Mako
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The Longbranch / Re: gunoholic
« Last post by Coffinmaker on April 18, 2024, 09:17:44 AM »

 :D Absolutely NOT Perfesser !!

Lasers take batteries and batteries make FIRES especial when in pockets!!  No No.  Gotta put a SCOPE onnit.  A nice Stainless matching one at that.

Scopeit you betcha.
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The Longbranch / Re: gunoholic
« Last post by DeaconKC on April 18, 2024, 08:54:50 AM »
Beyootifull! Congrats and Happy Birthday!
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The Darksider's Den / Re: We're not at the grocery store, but "Paper or Plastic"
« Last post by Mogorilla on April 18, 2024, 08:04:12 AM »
I too voted prior to brass being an option.   The RMC are stout and I bought 10 eons ago (less than $4 a piece).   They take the 209s well.

I have an oddish loading.
Drive spent primer out with dowel, fitted with blunt nail.   It is a 5/8 dowel and taps the spent primer out easily.    Next, thumb seat 209 primer (after cleaning of course) and use a 2nd dowel that is dished to seat with just another tap.   Pour in 80 grains of ffg, through a 24 inch drop tube.   Place card stock over and seat with dowel.   Add fiber wad, seat with dowel.  Using the 80 grain measure (I made it from a plastic tube), measure and pour in #7 lead shot.   top with a card stock and seat.   Then run a bead of elmers white glue around the edge to seal. 

I do the same with plastic hulls that have had the crimp portion cut off.   

I will say, I have never patterned them.   We do not shoot a lot of shotgun in NCOWS, but we do a texas star with shotgun, rifle and pistol.   with the brass shells, it is the one of the 3 I will take all five targets out with.   
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The Longbranch / Re: gunoholic
« Last post by Professor Marvel on April 18, 2024, 05:11:25 AM »
Tiz home  :D  Happy B'day to me  ;)
Hippo Birdy Two Ewes!

Now slap a lazer on that puppy!

Yhs
Prof marbles
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The Darksider's Den / Re: We're not at the grocery store, but "Paper or Plastic"
« Last post by Abilene on April 17, 2024, 10:52:52 PM »
Since I already voted, it won't let me vote again for brass shells.  But I also don't use them very often these days, partially because they slow me down on loading into the SxS (no crimp), and they don't always eject as well.  I know some of that is the old Rem-UMC hulls needing to be annealed, because even though they go in round, the mouth is a bit out of round after firing.  However, Mako (with one dorsal) I have not had any problems with lack of oomph out of my brass loads.

But I do still like shooting the all brass at times.  My reloading has been split between two locations with limited time for a while now, but that is changing as I get things consolidated and moved over the next year, so hopefully will get some more brass loading done.  I've also got a lot of Alcan brass hulls, which are thicker than the REM-UMC / Winchester / Magtech but not as thick as RMC.  They use a Remington 57-style primer (I think that's it) that looks like a 209 but is smaller.  Fortunately I have a couple thousand of those.  One problem I have with those is that a lot of them 2.5" but some are different lengths up to about 2.75".  When firing them, I have to pay attention that I'm shooting the longest ones first, followed by shorter, or they will stick in the chamber from prior fouling.  They need to be all trimmed to 2.5" but I have no way to do that.

Mako, yes the RMC hulls are the machined ones with the same internal dimensions as a plastic hull and use 209's. They're still around, last I looked those were about $8 each.  I have a half dozen of them but don't use them much any more because the primer pockets are so tight that priming and depriming are both very difficult.

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The Darksider's Den / Re: We're not at the grocery store, but "Paper or Plastic"
« Last post by Mako on April 17, 2024, 10:00:40 PM »
I shoot brass from Rocky Mountain Cartridge.   I have a side by side, they work great.   I also appreciate anything I can reload using a stick with a nail, a mallet and another stick.  Use 80 grains of ffg black powder, card, wad, lead shot, and card.   Usually top the card with some white glue.
Mogorilla,
You didn't vote, neither did Coffinmaker (one wurd).  We have two Brass shell users who need to be proud of their Luddite tendencies!

I have probably a hundred brass shells, but I don't use them except for show because they hang up on loading and give weaker results without a good crimp.  I saw some of them a week or two ago and thought about cleaning them up and selling them except for one box, I think 3 boxes have never been used or opened.

All in jest... but please vote above.

  • Have you ever considered crimping the mouth with a tool like the RCBS die set?   I don't know anyone who does that and I always wanted to ask how well that worked and whether or not the crimp "opened up". 
  • Do you anneal your brass if you do?
  • Do your shells use 209 primers or Large Pistol?
  • I'm not familiar with those shells, are they the ones turned on a lathe?
  • If it doesn't ruin the shot column getting out and I might consider Brass shells again, but I would want to build the column height up to actually use the crimp to contain the load and build pressure.
  • I'll bet you get lower velocities with 80 grains that we can get out of a plastic wad or fiber wad in a star crimped or roll crimped plastic hull with 40-50 grains.  I don't need more fire or smoke I already use Fg just for that.     
  • My experience with Brass hulls is that about half of the powder is ejected out the front with less flame and a lot of unburned  powder lying on the ground.   
  • I've tried all kinds of glues and even got some water (sodium silicate) since I was told that was the answer.  I didn't notice better result than a wood glue or Duco cement.
     
Maybe I'll add Brass shells to my list of things to try again.

~Mako
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