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GENERAL TOPICS => Books & Movies => Topic started by: Buckwheat on October 01, 2005, 09:29:57 AM
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Howdy The Fire
Just a quick question.
Did they ever make a sequel to Quigley Down Under. I have heard faint rumors that they did but I think they are just rumors :o :o.
would like to find out what happens with Crazy Cora and Quigley when they got back to the States ;D
So over to you.
Buckwheat
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I've heard the rumors, also, but I think that is all there is to it - rumors. Sure wish he would, though.
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As far as I know, they'z just rumors.
Slim
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If it was....It could be a real whopper.
Both of the main actors (Tom & Laura del somethin') are still very alive & young enough yet for a sequel.
An' I doubt it would take ANYTHIN' away from the original.
Wish they'd do it.
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Laura San Giacomo ;)
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My imagined plot outline.
Mathew and Cora are settled with the big spread and 2.4 children and who should come waltzing into the territory...Roy! :o He's livid to see Cora happy and successful does all he can to destroy her new life.
Oh if they'd only make it. ;D
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Now I'd like to see that, Stoney. :thumbsup:
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Stoneypete:
But, Matthew would see him coming 1000 yards away, and give him the "bucket" treatment!
Grizzle Bear
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I thought I heard Selleck say that Monte Walsh was as close to it as he could do...plot line, anyhow.
Lots of folks have asked him and he brought it up with the original producers, but, licensing rights and story could never be agreed upon.
Its funny, that movie has made Shiloh Sharps TONS o cash and they have LOTS of hardware they would love to have make another guest appearance in another movie. But, things as they are, it doesn't look like Tom is going to be able to do a sequel w/o studio approval.
(which he indicated was just not going to happen...nobody in hollyweird is interested in cowboy films anymore)
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The studios might be more interested now after seeing the sucess of HBO's 'Deadwood'.
I'd say more of a hinderance to a sequel is a decent script with a decent plot line. No, offense...but, at best the return of 'Roy' would suffice only as a sub-plot....not near enough story and action there to make an entire movie around.
Maybe some of the writers from 'Saddlebag Tales' could come up with something....maybe something tied in with an actual historical event. What was the time period of the original film?
How cool would it be if a 'Saddlebag Tales' writer submitted a script and a movie was made from it? For example, Queasy Dillo seems to have the skill set necessary to do a good job (his is the only work from there I've read so far....sorry). Heck, there's the opening minute or so of the new 'Quigly' movie right here:
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php?topic=4933.0
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Thank you kindly, Mr. Criquet. ;D
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TTF.
Wish it would happen.
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I always thought that it would be kinda neat if they had landed in Capetown on the way back to the states and settled there.
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What about having the father a Lord back in England,very rich putting up a reward for Quigley for killing his son.Could be a whole slew of manhunter's after Matt&Cora,just a thought.
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Laredo Les: GREAT IDEE!!!
Ya oughta get hold of Simon Wincer(?) with the notion.
I recollect he's the honcho on making Tom Selleck's movies.
Mustang Gregg
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Wouldn't it be funny if Quigley and Crazy Cora came back to the states and encounter Marston's twin brother! Not only that but Quigley gets alittle help from an unexpected source; The real Roy! Yeah he's still a tad upset over the reason why he split from Cora in the first place, but decides that redemption can be achieved. Perhaps Quigley and Cora haven't tied the knot yet, setting the stage for a love triangle. Would be nice to see Michael Biehn play Roy, after all he did a great Johnny Ringo. Now if we're really lucky, he'll wear the same hat that wore in Tombstone! The music should be composed by Basil Poledouris as before and get Simon Wincer to direct. I would like to see this whole movie take place in the Oklahoma Territory with the final battle taking place near Black Mesa. That's the movie I would like to see anyway.
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Wouldn't it be funny if Quigley and Crazy Cora came back to the states and encounter Marston's twin brother! Not only that but Quigley gets alittle help from an unexpected source; The real Roy! Yeah he's still a tad upset over the reason why he split from Cora in the first place, but decides that redemption can be achieved. Perhaps Quigley and Cora haven't tied the knot yet, setting the stage for a love triangle. Would be nice to see Michael Biehn play Roy, after all he did a great Johnny Ringo. Now if we're really lucky, he'll wear the same hat that wore in Tombstone! The music should be composed by Basil Poledouris as before and get Simon Wincer to direct. I would like to see this whole movie take place in the Oklahoma Territory with the final battle taking place near Black Mesa. That's the movie I would like to see anyway.
Sounds pretty good to me.
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About 4 or 5 years ago I took a short story writing class given by the author of Quigley down under (John Hill - look it up - he teaches at UNLV in Las Vegas - semi retired). He kind of dismissively mentioned in response to questions about Quigley down under, that he "has the rights to all the sequels; Quigley goes to China, Quigley in Europe, Quigley in Alaska" stuff like that. I got the feeling that he didn't feel it was his best work, considering he wrote 25 screen plays in 25 years and only had about 5 or 6 purchased, and of those about 3 or 4 were made into actual movies. I didn't feel bad for him. He also said of the writers-guild-strikes something like, "90% of Writers Union members are waiters and janitors trying to break into the field. Why would an employed screen writer, making a quarter million dollars a year writing for sit-coms want to go on strike for more wages? It means they cannot work, or get paid, for 6 months or a year." I didn't feel bad for him.
Anyway I came across this because I was researching the sound-delay of the rifle to the bullet.... Anyone care? I thought the movie was wrong.
A sharps bullet travels 442 m/s. Sound at Sea level travels at 345 m/s. Assuming Quigley was 690 meters away... Roughly 2100 feet or about a third of a mile. the sound delay would be half a second after the bullet impact at sea level. The guy who got away said it was five seconds between the bullet and the impact (if I remember right.) At sea level that means that quigley had to be 690(at.5 seconds) times 10 (5 seconds divided by half a second=10) or roughly 3.8 miles away. Sorry the math doesn't add up. Sharpes bullets don't travel that far - probably not even if you launch it like a mortor. Did I make a mistake somewhere? Above sea level the sound travels slower? The guy-who-got-away was wrong on this time number? Anyway...
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What about having the father a Lord back in England,very rich putting up a reward for Quigley for killing his son.Could be a whole slew of manhunter's after Matt&Cora,just a thought.
LOL. ;D Sorry. That would kind of contradict the statement made by Mr. Marsden that "My parents were slaughtered by Aboriginees. They attacked so fast (fawst 8) ) that my mother was found dead still holding her sewing." Good try though. I'd say leave it at one Quigley movie and don't spoil the legend. Of all the movies ever sequeled, how many met or exceeded the original installment?
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Anyway I came across this because I was researching the sound-delay of the rifle to the bullet.... Anyone care? I thought the movie was wrong.
A sharps bullet travels 442 m/s. Sound at Sea level travels at 345 m/s. Assuming Quigley was 690 meters away... Roughly 2100 feet or about a third of a mile. the sound delay would be half a second after the bullet impact at sea level. The guy who got away said it was five seconds between the bullet and the impact (if I remember right.) At sea level that means that quigley had to be 690(at.5 seconds) times 10 (5 seconds divided by half a second=10) or roughly 3.8 miles away. Sorry the math doesn't add up. Sharpes bullets don't travel that far - probably not even if you launch it like a mortor. Did I make a mistake somewhere? Above sea level the sound travels slower? The guy-who-got-away was wrong on this time number? Anyway...
The premise of the huge lag with the bullet strike first, then the sound is only works if it were a high velocity smokeless centrefire round. I'm actually surprised the technical advisor (if they had one) would have let that slide. I suppose to an audience used only to modern rounds this would not sound plausible. The beauty of these gorgeous beasts is that if you can see it, you can hit it.
I also overlook the fact the .45-110 round (1876) and Model 1874 Sharps (1871) predate the time of the movie (1860 IIRC).
You don't know how far away the Quigley character is. When Marston's men claim he was 3/4 of a mile away, "3 mebbe 4 seconds" sound differential, they are panicked and not prone to recall details. The two-fer-one shot is not right due to the sound differential. Now. I have a Shiloh #1 in .45-90. Muzzle velocity in the 1250 to 1300 fps range. It is routinely used at 500 to 700 metres. From the hammer drop at 500m rams to bullet strike is 2.5 seconds in my estimation. The sound takes about the same time to return. The 700m buffalo gong is another story. Hang time of about 3 1/4 seconds and the sound returns about 3 seconds later or so. Keep in mind that this is all to my best observation. The bullet is not only travelling on an arc, but losing velocity. The sound on the other hand is moving in a more direct path, and relatively constant velocity. My bullets start out just over the sound barrier, and are very subsonic when they get there. There is ample time for the sound wave to surpass the bullet by probably AT LEAST 3/4 of a second at the 700m line. Next summer, we plan to set up a camera to catch the whole thing on film.
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It is difficult to calculate time lag between bullet impact to the arrival of the report of the shot. At sea level, sound travels at approximately 1100 fps, slower at higher altitude. A bullet travelling at 1250 fps, which of course is not constant due to velocity drop, out to a range of say 900 yards or 2700 feet, will reach the target in roughly 3.5 to 4 seconds. The sound, which does slow down also, yes, because of difference in air density, wind and temperature and the fact that the force of the vibration is degrading due to friction too, will still arrive after the bullet strike. Why? Because the bullet is supersonic as it leaves the muzzle and the report, the sound of the powder detonation is a millisecond behind the bullet exiting the muzzle, loses ground to the departing bullet until the bullet decellerates to subsonic velocity. Even then, it still has to catch up to the bullet then, pass it.
Just for chuckles, I once took a tape recorder with a microphone by a metal plate at 100 yards and shot the plate with a .22 the time lag was impressive.
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It is difficult to calculate time lag between bullet impact to the arrival of the report of the shot. At sea level, sound travels at approximately 1100 fps, slower at higher altitude. A bullet travelling at 1250 fps, which of course is not constant due to velocity drop, out to a range of say 900 yards or 2700 feet, will reach the target in roughly 3.5 to 4 seconds. The sound, which does slow down also, yes, because of difference in air density, wind and temperature and the fact that the force of the vibration is degrading due to friction too, will still arrive after the bullet strike. Why? Because the bullet is supersonic as it leaves the muzzle and the report, the sound of the powder detonation is a millisecond behind the bullet exiting the muzzle, loses ground to the departing bullet until the bullet decellerates to subsonic velocity. Even then, it still has to catch up to the bullet then, pass it.
Just for chuckles, I once took a tape recorder with a microphone by a metal plate at 100 yards and shot the plate with a .22 the time lag was impressive.
Now that's good homework. ;)
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Now that's good homework. ;)
The thing is, I've kinda been on the receiving end of a shot like that. I was walking my property one day when I heard a loud smack on a tree above my head. I had just enough time to say "what tha..." then I heard a shot, rather muffled and distant. Suffice to say, I got up close and personal with Mother Earth for a few seconds. Then I heard the echos, which were actually a bit louder than the initial shot. Later that day, I went to a nearby general store of sorts and made a comment about some idiot out shooting up the country side. Turns out the idiot was a friend's brother who said he was shooting at a crow on a powerline with a Ruger .44 Mag. carbine." Dumb, yes. He was in his front yard, which I could see from the spot the bullet hit. It was roughly 1/2 mile away. As I reflected on it, I realized that I had actually heard the bullet coming an instant before the impact. A loud buzz/hum. The bullet was very subsonic by this time and quite possibly keyholing. For all I know, the slug probably bounced off of the old pine tree, but I never found it. Yes, I looked! there was bark knocked off of the tree but I couldn't see a hole. To sum it up, the time between the impact and me hearing the shot was roughly 1.5 to 2 seconds by my estimation. I could be off of course, but the fact remains, there was a considerable lag between bullet strike and the arrival of the report.
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The thing is, I've kinda been on the receiving end of a shot like that. I was walking my property one day when I heard a loud smack on a tree above my head. I had just enough time to say "what tha..." then I heard a shot, rather muffled and distant. Suffice to say, I got up close and personal with Mother Earth for a few seconds. Then I heard the echos, which were actually a bit louder than the initial shot. Later that day, I went to a nearby general store of sorts and made a comment about some idiot out shooting up the country side. Turns out the idiot was a friend's brother who said he was shooting at a crow on a powerline with a Ruger .44 Mag. carbine." Dumb, yes. He was in his front yard, which I could see from the spot the bullet hit. It was roughly 1/2 mile away. As I reflected on it, I realized that I had actually heard the bullet coming an instant before the impact. A loud buzz/hum. The bullet was very subsonic by this time and quite possibly keyholing. For all I know, the slug probably bounced off of the old pine tree, but I never found it. Yes, I looked! there was bark knocked off of the tree but I couldn't see a hole. To sum it up, the time between the impact and me hearing the shot was roughly 1.5 to 2 seconds by my estimation. I could be off of course, but the fact remains, there was a considerable lag between bullet strike and the arrival of the report.
I hope that the crow shooter realizes that he could wind up eating crow if he hits somebody other than the intended target.
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Matthew & Cora,I think they get off the ship in Hawaii,go on to have a family & one of their childrens decendents goes on to be a famous Hawaiian Private Investigator. 8) 8) 8)
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Now the story comes full circle ;D. Then Higgins is obviously Elliot Marsden's cousin's (on his mother's side) great-great grandson! I totally see the family resemblance now that you mention it. ;)
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Feathers,
Touche'
But what you say could have been entirely possible...
In the islands, it was just the time for the paniolo (hawaiian for cowboy). Somebody with Quigley's skill set might have been more hireable in the islands than on the mainland.
And Honolulu could quite easily have been a resupply port on the way to the West Coast ...
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If we're going to have more Western Movies we have to get more people to go see'm. I saw True Grit on Christmas Eve with 8 other people. That don't pay the bills. BTW, my Son is not into Cowboy but liked True Grit so there is hope.
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Just for the fun of it, several years ago, I wrote a short story entitled “It’s a Harley Son” about my experiences as a Harley rider. I followed that story up with a screen play. I then wrote a Western entitled “Stone’s Vengeance” along with a screen play.
I just stumbled on this post while searching on Google. Back around the end of 2020 after watching Quigley Down Under for the umpteenth time, I come up with an idea for a sequel to Quigley Down under. I wrote a screenplay for this sequel. I'm assuming that the movie has been copyrighted. I've been trying, unsuccessfully, to get this into to right hands. Recently I thought of getting permission to convert the screenplay into a novel. I see that the person who wrote Quigley Down Under has passed away, so I'll just keep searching for the correct way to proceed. I'm too old to wear stripes.