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The Longbranch / Re: gunoholic
« Last post by Major 2 on April 21, 2024, 12:57:18 PM »
The new Altamont grips are installed
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The Darksider's Den / Re: .45 Cowboy Special
« Last post by Mako on April 20, 2024, 09:22:34 PM »
I got curious and dug up those heavy .45 ACP bullets I had run across a few weeks back.  The ones I have were loaded by one of my friends for a 1950 and it uses:

  • LYMAN/IDEAL 452423 .45 CAL 242 GRAIN (actually weighs 244 gr) bullets
  • 6.0 Gr of unique which in almost all manuals except for the old Lyman manual of 1970 is a .45+P load
  • CCI 300 Primers
  • and any piece of brass he scrounged up

Leon noted it as "Very Accurate"  which means it actually was.  I don't know where you could get those bullets or the mold today.

 

I have some data on 250gr and 255gr .45 ACP and ,45 Auto Rim somewhere as well, I need to find my .45ACP revolver notes, they are in a notebook somewhere and not in a computer file.

Those are SOFT lead bullets that weigh 244gr, the cast bullet in 20:1 or WW would be 242gr.   Leon was experimenting with a soft lead Ø.452 bullet to work in the Ø.454 Groove Bore he had.  We also tried Ø.453 and Ø.454 sized bullets (I think the Ø.454 were "as cast") but they bulged the case if the case was normally sized. We tried all kinds of things, but to get them to chamber an all of our revolvers (and even 1911s) you dad to use a standard full die with the standard expander.  If I remember correctly one of the carbide dies we had made them too tight and we were using asteel die.  Back then Carbide dies were not even that common, I think they came out in the late '60s and were expensive at the time.   You can't tell from the photo but that case has a slight swell in it, there is a slight taper on the old RCBS .45ACP steel sizing dies to match the .003" diameter difference on the case from front to rear.

I don't know how any of you use carbide dies to size 9mm brass but that makes them "straight walled", 9x19mm has a 0.011" diameter difference from front to rear, that's a lot, it is a true tapered case.  That is one of the reasons a .38 Super is inherently more accurate than a 9x19 with reloaded ammunition in a correctly chambered barrel (there are other reasons as well).  The .38 Super is actually a true straight wall case.  The 9X23 Win (same length as the .38 Super) isn't as accurate or as "clean" as the .38 Super either, it fouls out a lot sooner.  Lot's of little details there.

Back to the .45 ACP which is an almost straight walled case.  With soft bullets the Ø.452 worked just as well as the Ø.453 sized bullets, and the Ø.454 leaded the forcing cone.  I believe those were the days before the cheap Lee push through dies were common and we had to buy dies for the Lyman Lube sizer and you had a hard time getting anything other than Ø.452 or Ø.458.  Those others were "custom" (maybe the Ø.454 was available) and you had to wait for them.

I had to look the mold up, but I know it was a Lyman Mold.  I also know it was throwing a heavier bullet than the mold spec with 4 Hbn lead.  I have some of those unloaded bullets somewhere, also 250gr and 255gr that I was using for the "conversion cylinders".

~Mako
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MAKO and TRAILRIDER

Those are some rather FINE looking holsters.  I will concur with the esteemed MAKO, the primary difference dimensionally will be the Cylinders, although there must also be some careful consideration of the Ejector Assembly on either an Open Top or and 1960 Richards/Mason Conversion piece.

MUCHO fine leather work there Trailrider.  Strictly Yum Yum you betcha
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My biggest pet peeve, screaming pet peeve...was (is)  Hell on Wheels

a "brass frame 1860 never was" cast as a Griswold & Gunnison  ::)
The Armor was so stupid, stated it was Griswold ,
I quit watching the series.

bad enough, Brass frame 1858 Remington's in "Ride with the Devil" and Hatfield & MaCoy's.
WE even tried to tell them on "Ride", but Director Ang Lee liked the brass look 
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Bird Cage Theatre ( Videos ) / Re: Old West YouTube Channel---Arizona Ghostriders
« Last post by Dave T on April 20, 2024, 12:48:06 PM »
The most annoying, repeated error for me was constantly committed by the Duke himself. His ever present Model 1892 Winchester saddle ring carbine, no matter the year of the movie's setting makes me grind my teeth every time. His 4-3/4" Single Action Army Colt, which wasn't available until about 1878, is also prevalent in many of his movies set in an earlier time frame. It's the curse of a gun fancier and history buff to know too much. (smile)

Dave
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I think the most blaring error was in Tombstone, when Morgan is killed, Wyatt goes outside in the rain and the ground is wet in only a 30 foot circle. makes me laugh every time
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 :)  WELL !!  ;)

I for one, am completely satisfied.  Spanish Inquisition not withstanding.  I am completely happy.  The pretty pictures now show up just fine.  I like the Pretty Pictures MAKO posts.  I have also been a fan of the Pretty technicolor CAD drawings MAKO posts.  Especial since I have never been able to post pictures on this site.

Seeing the hulls in actual cross section also explains what "others" have described about certain Shotgun Hulls and why they say they may not be as good as they once were.  Although again, seeing the actual hulls in stunning technicolor, cross sectioned explains a bunch.  And to me, would indicate some of those who whine about the newer hulls, really have nothing to complain about.  After all, the rounds still go BANG, the poppers go down (or the clays bust) and the hull can be reloaded numerous times, unless loading with Black.  Brass Hulls, of course go "To Infinity And Beyond" (stolen famous movie line).

I do admit however, I have acquired an amount of once fired AA hulls for a project, and as soon as I can figure an efficient way to cut 'em down to Two and a Half inches, I'm gonna begin that project.  It's just for Funzies, not a long term replacement for my favor'd Brass Hulls to be understood.  Diet Coke SUX
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Thats was good one Santee, as a Film Production Designer, it was constant struggle for weeding out anachronisms and continuity mistakes.
It was not perfect though, in "Houston the Legend of Texas " a reenactor's wristwatch got by.
Another in " Gettysburg", even after the Background artists were instructed to remove any such tell tales.
A biplane pulling a banner almost made a take, requiring a reshoot the same scene a few days later.

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Bird Cage Theatre ( Videos ) / Re: Old West YouTube Channel---Arizona Ghostriders
« Last post by santee on April 20, 2024, 07:21:16 AM »
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The Darksider's Den / Re: We're not at the grocery store, but "Paper or Plastic"
« Last post by Mako on April 20, 2024, 07:19:13 AM »
Oh yeah, the way this is related is that Mako needs to re-do his poll again to add paper hulls.  :)

ARRRRGH!!!!

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Our chief objects of discussion are Shotgun Shells,  there are 3 types!  Reifenhauser, Unibodies and Brass!  ARRRRRGH!!!!!

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
THERE ARE FOUR!
There are four types, Reifenhauser, Unibodies, Brass and Paper....

~Mako
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