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CAS TOPICS => Shooter's Meeting => Topic started by: Pappy Hayes on July 17, 2022, 11:30:50 PM
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I have a Cimarron 1866 Yellowboy. Some of the brass is duller then the rest. What is best to use to polish it?
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A lot of people use Flitz. Cimarrons have charcoal blue screws, and Flitz will remove the charcoal blue it it isn't already worn off. For that reason I used to use Nev-r-Dull when I was polishing up new showguns for Cimarron. As for my own old '66, I prefer to let it Patina. Many that I have seen have different amounts of patina on the side plates, so I guess that's normal.
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:) PLUS ONE for Abilene ;)
Some Lustrum ago, I flat gave up on polishing my Brass Guns. Shooting Black Powder and Subs as a steady diet, gives my '66s and Henrys a nice sorta dull "Mustard" kinda colour. Let us remember though, I'm some lazy and sitting around with a Can, Tube, Bottle, etc., of polish just doesn't thrill me. Sorta like watching chrome rust inna parking lot.
People are Still Contagious. Avoid 'em
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I have been building up patina on my 1860 Henry since I bought it shooting smokeless and real black powder. After reading all the glowing comments about APP I tried it the last time I went to a shoot. It actually made more smoke than the real thing. It was not as powerful as the black and it left little black spots all over the brass. Semichrome polish wouldn't touch the spots. It took Brasso and a bunch of elbow grease to get back down to shiny brass. I will now start again to build up patina using real powders. Any APP I have left will be used for shotgun shells only.
Others may have had better results but I will never buy it again.
Lucky ;D
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Lucky, I had similar results shooting Cleanshot (before it became APP) in my '66. It left dark spots and streaks, not an even patina.
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:) Gents ;)
Whilst I don't disagree in totality, I do not find the "Spots" or "Splotchy" complaints sufficient for Poo Pooing APP. I have found it to be a marvelous propellant for both Percussion and Suppository shooting, and have been shooting the stuff exclusively in my Brass Rifles. Too much easier to obtain then Black Powder, just as effective as a propellant and when hunting the Wylie and elusive steel targets at seven to ten yards, just how much power does one need?? Not that I intend to be contrarily (of corse I do) but I find bad mouthing something because of the resulting or not resulting "patina" annoying.
Play Safe Out There
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Pappy just added a photo to his first post above. If you haven't seen it, take a look. Pappy, I answered your message but something weird happened and I don't know if my response went through. Anyway, I just said that looks like somebody took off the side plates and then polished up the rest. Never saw anything like that. Is the left side plate the same way? Did you get the gun that way or did it tarnish like that while you had it? Also wondering if maybe the side plate was off the gun for some reason and was laying on something that discolored it?
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Howdy Yellow Boy people,
I wonder. If the receiver of these guns is investment cast and the side plates are machined from heavy gauge strip stock, the difference of the manufacturing of the raw metal (rolled strip vs, cast) might account for the difference in patina. I don't know if this is the case, but it make a good conspiracy theory.
Rev. Chase
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Well, here's mine. Last polished maybe 15 years ago? And hasn't been shot much for the last 10 years. There is definitely a different alloy from the frame to the side plates. Never saw one as much difference as Pappy's though.
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Not planning to ever polish my ‘66 musket. Just let it age gracefully like me. Already doesn’t have any hair so it’s on it’s way. Hope it don’t get fat in the middle.
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Both sides are the same Abilene. If mine looked like yours it wouldn't be a big deal.
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This pic came from rarewinchesters.com , it is the opposite of the repros.
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Well, Mine ALL are kinda splotchy all over. No pattern, no real difference from side plate to receiver. No even by any means, but I just don't care actually. It's not even whether or not I do or don't want "patina." I'm just lazy about the outside appearance of my Brass Rifles. So long as the function is spot on, it just doesn't matter. Cowabunga!
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If you are looking for a smooth patina on your brass frame gun do not use APP. The residue leaves little spots all over that do not look anything like a patina. I had to work hard with Brasso to remove the spots. I plan to build up a finish on the gun, but it will be done with real black powder.
Lucky ;D
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Is there a way to make the bright brass look close to the center plates?
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I'm going to have to look closely at mine, if they are like that it's not so I've noticed.
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Is there a way to make the bright brass look close to the center plates?
Well, shoot it with real black powder, and don't polish it any more. But that will take a good while and the side plates might just keep getting darker, too. Some people have gotten a little bit of patina head start by making a paste with BP fouling and a little water, and wiping that over the frame. But that is only a small change in my experience. There is also something called Brass Black (I think) but I'm not real sure what that would do.
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Just a heads up , I would not use the Birchwood Casey Brass Black for an antique look . I have used it on brass fittings and the results are a blackish blue finish . ,,,,DT
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Well, here's mine. Last polished maybe 15 years ago? And hasn't been shot much for the last 10 years. There is definitely a different alloy from the frame to the side plates. Never saw one as much difference as Pappy's though.
Very cool looking Abilene .,,,DT
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Pappy just added a photo to his first post above. If you haven't seen it, take a look. Pappy, I answered your message but something weird happened and I don't know if my response went through. Anyway, I just said that looks like somebody took off the side plates and then polished up the rest. Never saw anything like that. Is the left side plate the same way? Did you get the gun that way or did it tarnish like that while you had it? Also wondering if maybe the side plate was off the gun for some reason and was laying on something that discolored it?
Plates have not been off and both sides are the same
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I had an early Cimarron '66 short rifle chamber for .32-20. The original owner from Austin had never shot a single round through it. He had it in his safe for more than ten years when I took ownership. The receiver was no long bright and shiny but both sides plates were a much darker color like yours Pappy. I think Abilene is on the right track concerning cast metal receiver vs. plate metal side plate dis-coloration.
As for my failure to 'polish out' all my work with Pinnacle; made by APP, I simply wet patch the bore every stage with Ballistol mopping any excess with the same wet patches from the receiver. I get threatened regularly with well meaning Riff-Raff with can if Brasso in hand to 'clean' my Trapper model. Bugger'em all! ;D
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:) J Barr ;)
Actually a big PLUS ONE for Johnson Barr you betcha. Several folks who shoot Brass Rifles at the same clubs as I do, religiously POLISH their rifles. Bright shiny spots in the middle of a dull gravel shooting bay. Yuck.
Fortunately for me, everybody has finally stopped with the "Why Aren't YOU Polishing it" stuff. And offering a can of Brasso. I like my Brass Rifles to look as well used as they actually are thank you very much.
People are Hazardous to Yer Health!!
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I think an even patina looks nice. However, when using my 66's with black powder (which is every time) at Cowboy shoots, I return home with some nasty hard dark deposits on top of the receiver. When I started this 25 years ago I was concerned about possible pitting under that mess. I guess that is an unfounded concern as I have never heard anyone complain about it. However, I developed a habit of at least a moderate polishing to clean that gunk. Old habits die hard so I continue to use Flitz.