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The Winchester Model 1873 / Re: First Time 73 Owner
« Last post by BrickwallJackson on January 29, 2023, 09:07:08 PM »
:) ALL  ;)

I would like to share, at my age, I can't SEE a deer at 200 yards let alone shoot at one.  Scope or no scope.  If you can see the critter, as David Battersby commented, a 44-40 will serve just fine, thank you.


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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!!

Well played sir, well played indeed.  ;D
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The Winchester Model 1873 / Re: First Time 73 Owner
« Last post by Coffinmaker on January 29, 2023, 07:03:04 PM »

 :) ALL  ;)

I would like to share, at my age, I can't SEE a deer at 200 yards let alone shoot at one.  Scope or no scope.  If you can see the critter, as David Battersby commented, a 44-40 will serve just fine, thank you.


People ARE Hazardous to Yer Health
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The Powder Room - CAS reloading / Re: Max overall length for .44-40?
« Last post by Coffinmaker on January 29, 2023, 06:54:51 PM »

 :) Oh Lonesome One ;)

Normaly, I'da jumped all over this one, but the guys ahead of me just plain nailed it.  After the dissertation(s), there is a really short answer.  The Carrier Block of yer rifle will determine YOUR correct overall length.  If your rounds will drop into and fall out of your carrier, your gold. 


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The Powder Room - CAS reloading / Re: Max overall length for .44-40?
« Last post by Abilene on January 29, 2023, 06:49:00 PM »
BTW, regarding Bunk's advice about emptying rounds out of the magazine tube.  It certainly is advisable to make sure you can get the mag tube cap off for whenever you might need to and to be able to clean the mag tube, but most times you can back cartridges out of the loading gate on these guns.
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Frontier Iron / Re: S&W Mod. 3 substituting modern .44 special for old .44 russian ?
« Last post by CraigC on January 29, 2023, 06:29:26 PM »
In fact, a lot of these guns are indeed cut with  .44Special chambers. Same for  the 1860's and Open Tops marked .44Colt.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Who is our Cas City resident Cap & Ball guru?
« Last post by RRio on January 29, 2023, 06:16:44 PM »
:) Well PLUS ONE for 45 Dragoon  ;)

And I completely forgot to nominate him in our list for Gurudom.  Sorry Mike!!  Meant no insult.  Just a pea poor memory.
[RRio:  Must admit I have never heard it referred to as "Cap Fall."
 What many of us call a "Cap Rake" (the post pictured by 45 Dragoon) is also considered a necessity to keep fired caps out of the lock works.

It isn't a case of "are CCI caps any good."  THE most important thing, is to use caps that FIT your nipples Properly.


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Told ya I was new to C&Bs.  :D ;D
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The Powder Room - CAS reloading / Re: Max overall length for .44-40?
« Last post by LonesomePigeon on January 29, 2023, 06:05:04 PM »
Thanks so much for the advice. I think I will make a few dummy rounds so I don't try this with live ammo. I will report my findings. Worst case scenario I can shoot the rounds I already have in my revolver and go back to the Mav Dutchman for my rifle.
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The Winchester Model 1876 / Re: All Four
« Last post by kwilliams1876 on January 29, 2023, 05:39:28 PM »
I am thinking someone needs to buy, borrow, or steal a 1" micrometer! I would never work off fractions to measure a bore diameter.
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The Powder Room - CAS reloading / Re: Max overall length for .44-40?
« Last post by Abilene on January 29, 2023, 05:17:10 PM »
Max for the toggle link guns is about 1.6" (the length of the mortice opening in the frame).  Open the lever so the carrier rises and turn the gun over.  If your cartridge will fit into the opening in the bottom, it will feed.
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The Powder Room - CAS reloading / Re: Max overall length for .44-40?
« Last post by Black River Smith on January 29, 2023, 05:15:29 PM »
LonesomeP,

I had a similar situation last year.  I had 44/40's loaded with smokeless for pistols using the original Winchester bullet mold.  These were all short at about OAL of 1.585", using a Lee factory crimp.  Then last year, I found a Rossi 92 in 44/40 and started to test the functioning with these same OAL bullets.  As you can imagine the spring pressure in the rifle caused set-back of the bullets.  The same thing happened in my Uberti 1866.

This then started me on experimenting to determine max length and crimping capabilities.  The results were that a pistol and the Rossi would handle something over an OAL of 1.605" to 1.61".  But my Uberti 1866 toggle-link did not like that 1.605" length and would not lever.  I did determine that a max length for the 1866 was 1.604" and less was better.

In the end, I ended up using a RCBS 44-200-FN bullet mold that I had for years.  That mold has a crimp groove and produces a final OAL of 1.582", which is very close to what a Winchester tong reloading tool and the original Winchester bullet mold produces as a final OAL for black powder loads.

You will just have to try different OAL in your new Winchester 1873 until they cycle.  Remember with an 1873 lifter, that long bullet will not go up.  Go REAL SLOW with this.  It will hit the receiver and stop.  Just push it down with you finger.  You can push the cartridge forward, back into the magazine slightly then slowly work the cartridge back out the opened loading gate.    Use something brass to push the cartridge.  Or use Bunk's approach.  Just do this until you get your maximum working length.

Hope this helps you out.
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