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Tall Tales / Re: Happy New Year Coffee
« Last post by The Trinity Kid on Today at 08:20:18 AM »
Morning all.

-5, WC to -8, and more white stuff falling.

Montana is a Constitutional Carry and open carry state. They offer permits, but all you gain is reciprocity to other states. Fortunately the only state I frequent is Idaho, which is also a constitutional carry state, so I’ve just saved my $35.

Once I’m back in CA, I’ll have to jump through their hoops, including but not limited to: $100/2 years, photo/fingerprints on renewal, 8 hour training course before initial issue (waived for veterans), interview with sheriff (should be more social than anything, considering I worked for him before), and a printing fee for a laminated card.

—TK
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Tall Tales / Re: Happy New Year Coffee
« Last post by Silver Creek Slim on Today at 07:05:22 AM »
Morning y'all.
Coffee and tea are ready.

'Tis -21 and clear. It's not called the "frozen tundra" for no reason. High of 11.

Slim
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The Winchester Model 1876 / Re: IMR 4831 ??
« Last post by King Medallion on Today at 05:33:20 AM »
Works great in my 45/75.
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The American Plainsmen Society / Re: Butcher Knife
« Last post by Tsalagidave on Today at 01:51:44 AM »
A 'butcher knife' was more common vernacular since it pre-dated the 'Bowie Knife' fad of approximately the late 1830s into the 1870s. It was a variety of large meat-cutting knives (including the Bowie pattern) made by a variety of firms both in the US and in Europe.  I have seen articles from the 1880s implying that the carrying of a large blade was more of a rarity and this makes sense that easily reloadable metallic cartridges and a folding blade would be more convenient and practical. Still, here are a few period accounts on carrying knives which was clearly more common in the earlier decades going back to the colonial era.

“Over it (the shoulder) hung a powder horn and a bullet pouch, and around his body was a leathern belt in which was thrust a large formidable knife. A loaded rifle lay carelessly across the rider’s shoulders.”
-Rural Kentucky (ca.1800-10s) Pioneer Life in the West – J.B. Finley (written in 1857)

"A long butcher knife in the belt with tomahawk and a long, heavy rifle.”
-The Great West (1851) Henry Howe

“Every man wore a full buckskin suit and a pair of moccasins. In a belt which he always wore, he carried a couple of pistols, two large knives and a tomahawk. What we called a tomahawk was a kind of hatchet which we used to chop our meat up with, and in fact do all the chopping that we had to do.”
-Richens Lacey "Uncle Dick" Wootton

Wootton also described a similar set of arms for those whom he had hired on to accompany his outfit as stated in a letter dated June 24th, 1852.

“I armed each of the men, Americans and Mexicans alike, with a first-class rifle, a pistol, and knife, and thus equipped we started our long drive…”
-The Rocky Mountains into New Mexico Territory (ca.1830-50’s) – “Uncle” Dick Wootton

"The hunting-shirt was universally worn. This was a kind of loose frock, reaching halfway down to the thighs, with large sleeves, open before, and so wide as to lap over a foot or more when belted. The cape was large, and sometimes handsomely fringed with a raveled piece of cloth of a different color from that of the hunting- shirt itself. The bosom of this shirt served as a wallet to hold a chunk of bread, cakes, jerk, tow for wiping the barrel of his rifle, or any other necessary for the hunter or warrior. The belt, which was always tied behind, answered several purposes, beside that of holding the dress together. In cold weather, the mittens and sometimes the bullet-bag, occupied the front part of it. To the right side was suspended the tomahawk, and to the left the scalping-knife in its leathern sheath."
-Bang’s History of Methodism, Life Among the Early Settlers of the West (1824)

“The dress of these people is generally half civilized, half savage. They wear a capot or surcoat, made of a blanket, a striped cotton shirt, cloth trousers, or leathern leggins, moccasins of deerskin, and a belt of variegated worsted, from which are suspended the knife, tobacco-pouch, and other implements. Their language is of the same piebald character, being a French patois, embroidered with Indian and English words and phrases.”
-Washington Irving's Astoria, Ch, IV

Another Description of a Mountaineer

"A hunting-shirt of ruffled calico of bright dyes, or of ornamented leather, falls to his knee; below which, curiously fashioned leggins, ornamented with strings, fringes, and a profusion of hawks’ bells, reach to a costly pair of moccasins of the finest Indian fabric, richly embroidered with beads. A blanket of scarlet, or some other bright color, hangs from his shoulders, and is girt round his waist with a red sash, in which he bestows his pistols, knife, and the stem of his Indian pipe; preparations either for peace or war. His gun is lavishly decorated with brass tacks and vermilion, and provided with a fringed cover, occasionally of buckskin, ornamented here and there with a feather.”
-Capt. Benjamin Bonneville, 1837

Description of Missourians

“They were all dressed in the same fashion: a pair of “homespun” pantaloons, tucked into thick boots reaching nearly to the knee, and confined round the waist by a broad leathern belt, which supported a strong butcher-knife in a sheath. A coarse checked shirt was their only other covering, with a fur cap on the head.”
-Life In The Far West (1849)

A description of the modern 'Pike's Peaker' as witnessed by Albert Richardson of the New York Tribune while visiting the growing town of Denver City at the foot of the Rocky Mountains.

“The men who gathered about our coach on its arrival were attired in slouched hats, tattered woolen shirts, buckskin pantaloons and moccasins; and had knives and revolvers suspended from their belts.”

Richardson recalled the appearance of many mountaineers found among the 1500 people who gathered from the Pike’s Peak mines to greet Horace Greeley.

“It was a motley gathering in the open air, of men with long unkempt locks, shaggy beards, faces reduced by the sun to the color of a new brick, and bowie knives and revolvers hanging from their belts. They gathered in all the freedom of the frontier.”
-Albert Richardson, 1859




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Tall Tales / Re: Happy New Year Coffee
« Last post by Major 2 on Today at 01:02:52 AM »
There is no listing of guns required here, I'm glad of that too. :)
  One other advantage is there is no waiting period, so called "cool off" rule... with a permit you can buy and walk out with your purchase same day.
Without your permit its 3 working days.

The so-called SHEEP ZONES, I avoid anyway I:E School campuses, Starbucks, Bars, Establishments less than 70% food to booze ratio.
Seldom use Gov. buildings, PO's on occasion, but just a quick in and out, and I'll
 take off the piece then.
If there is a "no gun" policy posted, unless I really must patronize them, I'll pass and go where the 2nd Amendment is welcome.
I'm not an activist, just feel soft and more vulnerable in advertised sheep zones and avoid them.
 
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Tall Tales / Re: Happy New Year Coffee
« Last post by Major E A Sterner on Today at 12:18:38 AM »
I don't have to renew my CCW,it's issued for life, I just have to "Re certify" that I still have the guns listed on my permit, I have sold/traded/bought some since that last re-cert so I had to go through my list and update it. I'm good for either 3 or 5 years now.
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The Cutting Edge / Re: Butcher Knives
« Last post by Abilene on Today at 12:11:48 AM »
There was a large assortment of designs, many fancy.  But from what I've read the type we'd call a butcher knife was the most commonly used.
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The Cutting Edge / Re: Butcher Knives
« Last post by 1961MJS on Yesterday at 10:37:25 PM »
Hi Dale
Look up both Jantz Supply and Track of the Wolf for Russel Green River blades that you can glue nice Walnut Scales to.  You cal also buy completed knives at Track of the Wolf.
Later
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The Winchester Model 1876 / Re: IMR 4831 ??
« Last post by DrummerBoy on Yesterday at 10:24:00 PM »
 the above 210-grain bullet. For instance, 28.0 grains of IMR-4198 powder produced 1,580 fps, 37 fps extreme spread and provided several 75-yard groups that were as good as can be expected from the traditional open sights found on the sample 1876 reproduction.

Maybe you’ve seen this article “Handloading the 40-60” by Brian Pearce..part of a series that goes thru the three “forties” calibers of the repro 1876’s
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The Cutting Edge / Re: Butcher Knives
« Last post by River City John on Yesterday at 10:14:00 PM »
Certainly buffalo hunters carried butcher and skinning knives.
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