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Offline Flatlander55

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Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« on: March 26, 2020, 11:36:55 pm »
Greetings,

Recently I purchased a used .44 Pietta 1860 Army, and while I love it, I absolutely detest the stock screws that protrude from the frame. They are annoying and quite frankly mess with the feel of the gun in my opinion. Can somebody here please help me figure out what the thread pitch is so I can order some plug screws so the frame is flush? Also, when I bought the gun it was missing one single grip frame screw. Does anybody know the pitch of that as well so I can get them both at the same time? I don't want to order a whole new set of complete screws just for one missing screw, or buy one screw and pay $7.00 in shipping for a .50 cent piece.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2020, 11:46:13 am »

Nope.  No Idea.  Have no clue.  When still gainfully employed (Gunplumber) I went looking for some form of "Plug" screws for those annoying Shoulder Stock Screws and had no Joy.

Plan "B"  I took the shoulder stock screws out of the frame (they are a bugger to get back in) and cut the driver slot thru the "cap" and into the body.  Carefully and slowly filed the cap off then re-installed the (now a plug) screw in the frame with RED LocTite.  Insure when putting the screw body back into the frame, the screw does NOT intrude into the inner spaces for the lock works.

Plan "C"  Same as the above only don't completely remove the screw head.  Take it down very thin then polish and smooth the head.  You won't notice it's there.  Same same, re-install the screw with RED LocTite.

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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2020, 12:10:34 pm »
Is there a Pietta or Uberti 1860 that does not have the stock screws? I hate them also.

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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2020, 12:48:23 pm »
Hey Treebeard!!

Pietta YES.  Pietta has versions of the 1860 (Civilian) that do not have the stock screws.  Also perhaps of interest, the never never .44 caliber 1851s by Pietta are sans stock screws.

My post got hi-jacked before I was finished.  Uberti offer "civilian" versions of the 1860 sans those nasty stock screws.

I don't like those stock screw even a little bit.  Always seemed to scratch my hands and thumb.  Learned to take em down to nothing and make 'em smooth. 

One may have to shop around for the 1860 Civilians.

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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2020, 01:18:25 pm »
Or, you could send me the screws and have this  (they screw in from the inside).
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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2020, 07:47:27 pm »

 :D  Oh YES!!   :D

Way cool Monsieur Dragoon.  Mine look similar except they still have the screwdriver slot.  Doing away with the slot is just pure KOOL!!

Not only are the little buggers scratchey (OEM) but they are the devil's own ROYAL PITA to get started inna threads.  Atz why I put em back in with RED LocTite.  Don't ever wanna take 'em back out no sir.

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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2020, 08:03:56 pm »
Thanks CM!! I just did a pair for Abilene not long ago.

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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2020, 12:10:18 pm »
They are a bugger. I did Coffinmakers plan C. Easy to do and you don't even know they are there anymore.  Jw
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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2020, 01:48:07 pm »
Here's what Dragoon 45 Mike did to mine (with screw slot on inside).

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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2020, 02:14:26 pm »
Thanks Abilene! They look great on your conversion!!

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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2020, 04:56:58 pm »
Have to say the best way to cover them up is with a shoulder stock

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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2020, 05:45:32 pm »
Lots of good ideas all. Thanks!

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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2020, 12:40:02 pm »

 :D  Hey Mogo   :D

Dino-mite idea.  I thought about that, bu found it somewhat problematic when trying to pull TWO of them at the same time and shoot Gunfighter.  I must admit, the entire Posse liked to died laughing whilst watching me shoot the only stage I tried it on   :o ::)

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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2020, 01:29:40 pm »
OK Fellas,

I have a 3rd Model Dragoon (converted to .45 Colt), so I traded out the shoulder stock to avoid having the feds kick in my front door. I still have the offending screws. I like plan C, but don't know how you stick the screwdriver in to screw the modified screws back in. Help!

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ps: it's not .45 Long Colt.

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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2020, 02:31:31 pm »
I have toyed with the idea of using it for a NCOWS shoot.   Having two Colt Armies loaded and switch them on the clock.   I have gotten a bit better with my Henry, but early on, I was just about equal with the Henry or the Army on stock at 75 yards.   I also have one of those Buffalo Remingtons that have the 12 inch barrel.  you can get a modified Hammer bolt and it will take a stock.  I had to do some interior shaping but they are completely interchangeable now.  It is a tack driver.

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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2020, 03:41:17 pm »
Well, sufice it to say (tried to post a pic), I have a customers 3rd mod. Dragoon (ASM) with an 18 inch barrel!!! First ever I have seen!! Anyway, would be perfectly legal with a conversion cyl.  How cool is Zat?!!!

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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2020, 06:38:13 pm »
Oh we need pics!!!!

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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2020, 10:58:48 am »
Reverend Chase, To accomplish plan C, first deepen the  slot with a hacksaw and knock the shoulders off the screw and thin the head. You will end up with a domed screw head.  Jw
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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2020, 12:23:46 pm »
Thanks Jack,

That's probably the easiest approach. I till wonder about the idea of screwing in from the back.

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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2020, 01:08:14 pm »
Thanks Jack,

That's probably the easiest approach. I till wonder about the idea of screwing in from the back.

Reverend Chase

You stick the screwdriver through the hole on the other side to screw in the first one.  Then the second can still be reached with the screwdriver at an angle with the triggerguard off.

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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2020, 03:44:29 pm »
Abilene is right. The deeper threaded hole first, then the short one.

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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2020, 07:29:48 pm »
Jack Wagon, what is the purpose of the brass rod?  Wack it with hammer to seat balls?

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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2020, 09:01:31 pm »
Abilene, That brass rod is my onboard wedge tool and ejector for my Howell non gated conversion cylinder. Jw
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Re: Pietta 1860 shoulder stock screw thread pitch?
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2020, 09:09:15 pm »
Thanx Guys,

That clears up my questions. Now all I have to do is get up the gumption to take my limited tools and even more limited skills and have at those screws.

Reverend Chase

 

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