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Offline El Supremo

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Belgian center-fire Spencers
« on: November 08, 2019, 11:13:16 am »
Hello:

Marcot contains info about Belgian made center-fire Spencers.

I have a question about those original, exported surplus ones that might have been converted to c-fire, please:

Since there are no photo's in Marcot of the Belgian C-F block FACE, can anyone please add what they know about rim-fire Spencers being CONVERTED to center-fire via a "wedge" insert in the upper block FACE?

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Re: Belgian center-fire Spencers
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2019, 02:10:16 pm »
Sorry I can not post photos but the Belgian_ Brazilan Spencers were converted by putting a dovetail face in the front of the block,the firing pin is a one piece unit that is held in place by a screw that enters from the bottom of the block spring recess ,this is the best center fire conversion I have seen in my opinion ,very strong  and simple ,have not found out who did the conversions

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Re: Belgian center-fire Spencers
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2019, 02:59:33 pm »
Fantastic info and so good to hear from you, Herbert:

By my count of center-fire conversions or scratch-built ones either old or modern, this is number TWELVE:
One Belgian, one Brazilian, the quite old one mentioned here this year in another post, Blair Taylor's, two via BACO/S&S, two Romano's, Ken Howell's, Bidwell's and two Taylor's.

If more can be added, please help.

Many thanks. 
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Re: Belgian center-fire Spencers
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2019, 05:06:58 pm »
I have been told that some of the US made Spencers bought by Brazil were also converted to center fire,I have never seen one of these but it makes sense to me

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Re: Belgian center-fire Spencers
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2019, 06:36:04 pm »
Has anyone in our group been actively shooting one of the Belgium center fires? Still have seen only pictures.

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Re: Belgian center-fire Spencers
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2019, 06:58:59 am »
Kevin,

If you do a search on SSS - Belgium Spencer - you will get a number of threads started on the Belgium Spencer title.  Don't know if you went this route already.

Here is one link I pulled up -  not sure if it covers your question?

https://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,30928.msg406285.html#msg406285

There are many others to read.  Just do a search.
 
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Re: Belgian center-fire Spencers
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2019, 09:44:41 am »
Thanks, Two Flints, for the help:

Will SEARCH. 

I see within those posts and photo links, the wedge insert photo and a fascinating photo of the c-f ctg.  Nice.

The interest in c-f blocks arose when a friend shared that two blocks he recently purchased would not fit his original Spencer rifle.  Then I heard about inertia vs non-inertia versions. 

Interesting that post CW, many CW era Second Model Maynards were converted from percussion to center-fire by machining away the top rear quarter of the receiver where the nipple sat and inserting a metal filler in "wedge" shape.  Then they were drilled for the striker.  I have seen these "old" C-F conversions with quite visible wedge parting lines be restored to percussion by a skilled machinist. 

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Re: Belgian center-fire Spencers
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2019, 01:53:44 pm »
Hello:   

Did the SEARCH and saw photo's of both the wedge-faced c-f upper block and an antique c-f ctg. that were helpful.

Am guessing the wedge was for a rim-fire conversion. 
Also, that since the Belgians made complete Spencers in center-fire, THEY produced c-f ctg's.

Have to read more to know if Brazil produced center-fire Spencer ammo. Thanks.

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Re: Belgian center-fire Spencers
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2019, 02:30:55 pm »
Has anyone in our group been actively shooting one of the Belgium center fires? Still have seen only pictures.
I bought one about 12 months ago it has a very good bore of .510 and a 1in 28 twist,I shoot it with cut down32 ga brass shot shells with 40 t0 45 grs of wanno PP black powder,I have used a diffrent bullets it that were meant for the 56_50 spencer and all shot well but the best was my old 395gr NEI Spencer bullet sized to.516 a bit big but it works so well I have not tried any thing since