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Rest in Peace 1860 and 1866
« on: April 17, 2019, 05:28:35 pm »
Here in New Zealand the 1860 and all lever guns which hold more than ten rounds are now classed as Assault rifles and are Prohibited.
Sad day for firearm owner.
The UN is getting its way.
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Re: Rest in Peace 1860 and 1866
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2019, 07:21:13 pm »
We already have this in New York but everyone seams to be ignoring it.
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Re: Rest in Peace 1860 and 1866
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2019, 02:23:51 pm »
They will be coming for ours.  :'( :'(
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Re: Rest in Peace 1860 and 1866
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2019, 02:29:38 pm »
That is very sad news.  Seriously, I am deeply saddened by the misguided efforts here.  We ALL want to reduce violence to innocent people, but this kind of thing is worse than counterproductive...

Things are getting hard for gun owners in the U.S., but at least it's a much slower process here...

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Re: Rest in Peace 1860 and 1866
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2019, 06:57:32 pm »
Keep your chin up! Carbines outsold all other configurated 1873's historically, and I'd love to see more half mag offerings from our Itallian friends.  :)

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Re: Rest in Peace 1860 and 1866
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2019, 09:32:10 pm »
Given time and more political success they won't let you keep your carbine or half magazine long guns either.

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Re: Rest in Peace 1860 and 1866
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2019, 09:50:27 am »
Didn't Kalifornia pass a similar law that would outlaw 10 shot lever actions?

Agenda of the socialist anti-gunners: ban ALL guns, one barrel length, one calibre, one classification, one action type at a time. This is done progressively through licencing, background checks, etc.

Thinking that YOUR guns are safe is like hoping to be the last one the crocodile eats.

I suggest a read of "Gun Control - Gateway To Tyranny" by the late Aaron Zelman. It reveals how the US 1968 Gun Control Act is based on the 1938 Nazi gun laws. Before you laugh at the idea, get a copy and read it it. It is almost verbatim.

Follow that with a read of "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross, IF you can find a copy. It will show you the truth about "gun control" which is really a misnomer for "people control". Disarmed people are docile and easily controlled.

Your 2nd amendment is all that stands between you and civil disarmament, and it is under constant attack.
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Re: Rest in Peace 1860 and 1866
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2019, 11:47:56 am »
Didn't Kalifornia pass a similar law that would outlaw 10 shot lever actions?

Agenda of the socialist anti-gunners: ban ALL guns, one barrel length, one calibre, one classification, one action type at a time. This is done progressively through licencing, background checks, etc.

Thinking that YOUR guns are safe is like hoping to be the last one the crocodile eats.

I suggest a read of "Gun Control - Gateway To Tyranny" by the late Aaron Zelman. It reveals how the US 1968 Gun Control Act is based on the 1938 Nazi gun laws. Before you laugh at the idea, get a copy and read it it. It is almost verbatim.

Follow that with a read of "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross, IF you can find a copy. It will show you the truth about "gun control" which is really a misnomer for "people control". Disarmed people are docile and easily controlled.

Your 2nd amendment is all that stands between you and civil disarmament, and it is under constant attack.

Amen, but you are preaching to the choir. Then again we all need to stay vigilant
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Re: Rest in Peace 1860 and 1866
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2019, 03:45:57 pm »
Didn't Kalifornia pass a similar law that would outlaw 10 shot lever actions?...

IIRC, they passed that 10-round law without thinking of lever actions, then later updated or modified the law to allow them.  I guess New Zealand cowboy shooters can only hope that something similar might happen for them.

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Re: Rest in Peace 1860 and 1866
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2019, 04:38:11 pm »
Didn't Kalifornia pass a similar law that would outlaw 10 shot lever actions?

Agenda of the socialist anti-gunners: ban ALL guns, one barrel length, one calibre, one classification, one action type at a time. This is done progressively through licencing, background checks, etc.

Thinking that YOUR guns are safe is like hoping to be the last one the crocodile eats.

I suggest a read of "Gun Control - Gateway To Tyranny" by the late Aaron Zelman. It reveals how the US 1968 Gun Control Act is based on the 1938 Nazi gun laws. Before you laugh at the idea, get a copy and read it it. It is almost verbatim.

Follow that with a read of "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross, IF you can find a copy. It will show you the truth about "gun control" which is really a misnomer for "people control". Disarmed people are docile and easily controlled.

Your 2nd amendment is all that stands between you and civil disarmament, and it is under constant attack.

Socialist republic of California probably did and does...


But you may be referring to :

The Assault Weapons Ban  of 1994 signed into law by slick willy Clinton
Coined the  "Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act" more commonly "Brady Bill "

It defined certain semi-automatic firearms as assault weapons as well as certain ammunition magazines that were defined as "large capacity".
Lever Guns like the Henry, 73 & 66 were cought up in the rhetoric...and they were banned.
It took about 7 years to reverse that claimed oversite  ....

and the remainder ...  expired in September 2004 under George Bush




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Re: Rest in Peace 1860 and 1866
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2019, 04:34:42 am »
In NZ, we are now hearing we may be able to modify our lever actions to hold no more than ten rounds.
Question: How do you do that with an 1860 Henry?
The only thing I have come up with - that doesn't include hideous mutilation - is to add a 'pin' to the brass magazine follower on the muzzle-side.
This should reduce the magazine capacity but would require the removal of the front end to enable loading.
Ridiculous? Yes! But if it's the only way I can keep my Henry, I think it's worth it.
However, if anyone can think of a better idea I'm 'all ears'.

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Re: Rest in Peace 1860 and 1866
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2019, 05:07:10 am »
I'd think your on the right track " add a 'pin' to the brass magazine follower on the muzzle-side."

Driftwood Johnson solved his "Henry forehand shuffle " by fashioning a removable dowel to keep the follower forward.
it has the ability to reduce the round count...

Not sure if a simple drop-in will satisfactory appease the Knee-JERKS ruling party of NZ, but its a compromise
course its easily omitted and the moronic ban is then compromised  ::)
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Re: Rest in Peace 1860 and 1866
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2019, 06:43:07 am »
I'd think your on the right track " add a 'pin' to the brass magazine follower on the muzzle-side."

Driftwood Johnson solved his "Henry forehand shuffle " by fashioning a removable dowel to keep the follower forward.
it has the ability to reduce the round count...

Not sure if a simple drop-in will satisfactory appease the Knee-JERKS ruling party of NZ, but its a compromise
course its easily omitted and the moronic ban is then compromised  ::)

I dont think a removable /drop in blocker would cut it with these loonies - the Henry is a particular problem ( I cant dream up a solution for it)
the run of the mill tube mag guns are easy - my Chiappa 1886 came to me with a Kalifornia style pin/ blocker that screws into the magazine end cap ane extends down inside the magazine spring - permanant enough to pass and easy enough to remove while not being a "drop in"

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Re: Rest in Peace 1860 and 1866
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2019, 10:10:02 am »
Figured that.... I venture to guess there are far fewer Henry's  in NZ, than box mag (+ 10 round ) semi autos.

Rare enough that a CRAZY bent on mass carnage would be highly unlikely to choose one for his atrocity, but the Loony Toons in public mis-service are broad swathing at anything what goes bang !  ::)
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Re: Rest in Peace 1860 and 1866
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2019, 01:36:15 pm »
Sorry to hear that.   Odd, but not unheard of.    Years ago when the Brady Bill was in full swing my college roommate completed his Ph.D and decided to treat himself to a Henry (both he and I really liked Silverado).  He ended up ordering direct from Italy and it got hung up in customs as the Customs officials felt he was importing a Large Magazine Assault rifle.  He called weekly for almost 6 months.   Finally he got a guy who knew a thing or two.   Guy looked at it and told my buddy "Last person to call this an assault rifle, and rightly so, was Robert E. Lee.  I will release this and carry the paperwork myself"   He got it 5 days later.   Hopefully someone will see the issue.
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Re: Rest in Peace 1860 and 1866
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2019, 04:44:41 am »
Thanks so much for you replies and apologies to Mike, if I?m hijacking this a bit.
Yes, Henrys are a bit thin on the ground here!
I have only owned mine for just over a year. I had wanted one for decades but was put off by the fact that I couldn?t get one in a similar calibre to the originals. So, back in the 90s, I got an Uberti 1873 Rifle in 44WCF instead ? still have it too?
But a few years ago, I started learning more about Henrys, both original and modern.
I learned that 1860s ?44s? ? like cap ?n? ball revolvers ? are more like 45s and I also learned 45 S&W Schofield rounds work in Uberti Henrys. Add a 200 grainer RNFP, a case of black powder and you have a reasonable ballistic equivalent of the old rimfire round. I had to have one!

As I alluded, there is nothing carved in stone about the ?reprieve? for centre fire lever actions, but pinning shotguns and 22 rimfire tube mag rifles have been mentioned, so fingers crossed.
The wording about the shotguns and 22s says the modification must be ?permanent? ? so easily removable won?t be an option. This is why I mentioned removing the barrel end piece to load. But any pin inside will not allow proper function of that end piece (whatever its proper name is!) and so removal seems the only option. If that?s the only way I can keep and shoot my Henry, so be it.

I like that line about Robert E Lee :)

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Re: Rest in Peace 1860 and 1866
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2019, 05:01:43 am »
one thing comes to mind  :-\   do a "King's improved Conversion "  ....

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Re: Rest in Peace 1860 and 1866
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2019, 07:16:02 pm »
I guess you could shorten the barrel.   :'(  Then they'd probably accuse you of making it "concealable"

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Re: Rest in Peace 1860 and 1866
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2019, 03:52:59 am »
Thanks guys.
Reducing barrel length would be a legal option, but I?d like to keep mine looking like a regular Henry on the outside.
Same applies to Mr King?s modification ? although that would be pretty cool!
I?m hoping if I can pin the inside now and then somewhere down the track, someone will see sense and realise the sky?s not going to fall in if I own a 13 shot 1860 Henry.

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Re: Rest in Peace 1860 and 1866
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2019, 06:19:34 am »
I had considered bobbing the barrel,  but other than "Yellowstone Kelly " carbine and a South American General's custom silver mounted cut down (both with provenance) I too would prefer to keep mine looking like the 24"  Henry profile.
I supposed you could swap to a trapper barrel and save your 24" but that might not be acceptable to your GUN GRABBER officials.



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Re: Rest in Peace 1860 and 1866
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2019, 09:03:27 am »

Follow that with a read of "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross, IF you can find a copy. It will show you the truth about "gun control" which is really a misnomer for "people control". Disarmed people are docile and easily controlled.
If someone is looking for UC, I think I've got a spare copy.  (Actually, I know I have a spare copy, I think I can find it.)
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