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« on: December 07, 2005, 05:00:53 pm »


I use to have this posted as a sticky on the TFS.  I figure it is time to put it here.

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Form a NCOWS Posse

A posse may be formed with only three members, but must have at least five members by the end of it’s first calendar year and maintain at least five members there after. 50% of all members and 100% of the posse officers must be NCOWS members.  Posses must subscribe to NCOWS Articles of Incorporation, By-Laws and Rules and Regulations, including standards of historical authenticity for all events for which the Posse requests NCOWS official sanction, and maintain NCOWS membership for at least half it’s members and all it's officers.  Posse must conduct at least two NCOWS-sanctioned events a year, which need not be shoots.  Posses must pay an initial Charter Fee of $35.00 (renewable annually also for $35.00).  Posses may, of course, require more rigorous standards for their members and activities and may employ lesser standards for non-NCOWS-sanctioned events.  To apply for a Charter: submit a letter of application including a statement of purpose, a copy of the Posse’s organizational By-Laws, a list of Posse members (indicating which of them are NCOWS members and/or are applying for NCOWS membership---include new membership applications and fees), a proposed schedule of events to be sanctioned by NCOWS (if any), the name of the Posse’s Territorial Representative, and the Charter Fee.  Upon approval by the Executive Committee, the Posse’s Charter will be granted and the action published in the next issue of “The Shootist”. The Posse may immediately begin to employ the benefits of NCOWS membership.
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2006, 06:51:24 pm »

Thanks Will...

couple of questions though..
 
To apply for a Charter:
 submit a letter of application including a statement of purpose... OK 

a copy of the Posse’s organizational By-Laws, ... is there and example of these somewhere ?

 a list of Posse members (indicating which of them are NCOWS members and/or are applying for NCOWS membership ... OK

include new membership applications and fees),  no problem

 a proposed schedule of events to be sanctioned by NCOWS (if any),  ... that will be down the road

the name of the Posse’s Territorial Representative... What are the qualifications for and the responsibilities of this Person ?
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2006, 08:21:38 pm »

Well Major I think Joss House will probably jump in here and give you some advice since he did this not long ago.  I have never started a posse so I would defer to him.  As for the Territorial Representative I am more knowledgeable.  They are expected to attend the meetings of the congress but since that is difficult for those like Joss House that live quite a distance there is a proxy process.  The Territorial Representatives and Senators are given the agenda prior to the meetings and a proxy to submit if they are unable to attend.  It works fairly well.

To be a rep you need to be able to think of what your fellow posse members would feel about an issue and to sometimes put aside your own ideas if they conflict with the majority of the other members..  Many times on a given issue I will poll the members of my posse and vote accordingly but since I know them fairly well I can pretty much guess how they would want me to vote.

It is helpful if the Territorial Representative has e-mail and Internet accessibility to discuss issues and find out things for their posse.

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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2006, 12:35:49 am »

Accutually,  Joss that's my bad...

I was looking at the link (to here) you gave in the other topic , and forgot to click back to that thread, when I replied.

That why it's both places , sorry

I'll use the other " Florida thread", if we get enough pards to put this together... may take some doing.


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« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2006, 03:30:08 am »

Is the NCOWS membership large enough in the Los Ageles area to form a Posse?
If so, please have them contact me.
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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2007, 04:00:58 pm »

Is the NCOWS membership large enough in the Los Ageles area to form a Posse?
If so, please have them contact me.

Howdy:
I am a NCOWS member, yet I have not attended a NCOWS shoot or gathering.
I live in The San Fernando Valley of Los Angeles County ...no NCOWS Posses here.
Next moth if it works out, I going to get up to the Bakersfield's NCOWS Posse shoot.
(((Hat Creek Regulators, Kern County, CA - The Feb shoot is on 25 Feb)))

Just wish we had something goin' on a bit closer to my home valley.

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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2007, 05:55:13 pm »

 C. Wolf , I'm sure you could start a posse in your area. there should be alot of folks who would be interested in the NCOWS ideals. You wouldn't even need a range in the beginning, though it would help.            jt

P.S.Hope you make it to the hat creek shoot. They are a good bunch!
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2007, 07:48:27 pm »

Chili:

You might start by contacting Col. Flashman who posted above you. Sounds like he may be in your vacinity.

And Trap's right, that Hat Creek outfit is top notch. You'll have a great time with those good folks.
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2007, 01:05:15 am »

In the Longbranch I met a new NCOWS member from Texas, "Texas Trail Boss'.  There are a few others who live a long ride from the nearest posse.

In Canada there are myself in BC, Rattlesnake Jack in Alberta & Ninetoe Jim in Manitoba.  There may be others, but I havn't met them.

I propose a new posse, "THE ALONE RANGERS"!
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2007, 09:02:51 am »

Sir Charles,
Your idea has great merit and I'm surprised that it has not been done before, particularly as Rattlesnake and I believe Nine Toe are members of The Grand Army of the Frontier, which technically exists only on the internet, but seems to have enough cohesiveness to create and support shooting events.

I see no reason why there could not be an NCOWS Posse that used the internet as it's common meeting ground. Perhaps the contribution by being a cyber Posse is something to be explored.

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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2007, 09:48:37 pm »

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so decribe what the event in kc is to entail , weres the sales pitch ?
so just what is a convention ? is this a shoot ? or a meal felowship i havent found the right page to decribe what it is
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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2007, 08:44:40 am »

   Buffalow Red, The convention is the premier non-shooting event of the year for NCOWS. There is a 3 day old west show & sale. Seminars on all things NCOWS and old west. Fri night is the winter Congress meeting. Sat night is a formal (if you want) banquet and supper, also there is a Victorian Ball in the works. All in all, a great opportunity to get together with NCOWS friends in a little different atmosphere.      jt
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2009, 04:06:02 pm »

I wish someone would start one around San Antonio. I like more authenticity than SASS aims for.
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2009, 11:28:43 pm »

All you have to do is find 2 more pards and fill out the paper work! 
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2009, 09:48:58 pm »

I wish someone would start one around San Antonio. I like more authenticity than SASS aims for.

I could probably manage to wander from Corpus Christi as far north as San Antonio more often than I could make it all the way to Greenville.  Not on a monthly basis, but a few times a year, anyway (quarterly?).

Where would you propose to shoot?

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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2009, 09:08:20 am »

I could probably manage to wander from Corpus Christi as far north as San Antonio more often than I could make it all the way to Greenville.  Not on a monthly basis, but a few times a year, anyway (quarterly?).

Where would you propose to shoot?

WM

If you pards get the ball rolling down there, let me or one of our posse officers know.  We'd be more than happy to travel down and help out with the first few matches.

At the Ten Horns, we are all itchin' to have another NCOWS posse somewhere within reasonable driving distance.

Also, try to make it up to our Regional in November.  You'll get to meet some of the NCOWS folks from out of state there.

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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2009, 09:26:40 am »

If you pards get the ball rolling down there, let me or one of our posse officers know.  We'd be more than happy to travel down and help out with the first few matches.

At the Ten Horns, we are all itchin' to have another NCOWS posse somewhere within reasonable driving distance.

Also, try to make it up to our Regional in November.  You'll get to meet some of the NCOWS folks from out of state there.

Pancho.

Thank you for the offer.  I'm talking to folks in the Corpus area, but we're still a ways off from even having an informal posse. 

I'm not sure even San Antonio (much less Corpus Christi) is "reasonable" driving distance from ya'll.  In the meantime, I am working on my boss (3Reds - spouse) on lettin me hitch up the horses to go visit the great northern Texas frontier in November.

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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2009, 09:35:16 am »

I'm not sure even San Antonio (much less Corpus Christi) is "reasonable" driving distance from ya'll. 

Actually, those would be good cities.  Both SA and Corpus are "vacation" destinations, so our non-shooting family members could travel with us and have a good time at the beach / Sea World / shopping, etc...
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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2009, 07:25:15 pm »

So where could I see a list of Texas NCOWS Clubs and the weekends they shoot?
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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2009, 08:25:48 pm »

So where could I see a list of Texas NCOWS Clubs and the weekends they shoot?

Shotgun Franklin,

Currently we only have one NCOWS Posse in Texas:  The Texas Ten Horns.  We are north of Greenville, Texas.  We host 2 NCOWS matches each month.  Here's a link to our match calendar:

http://www.texastenhorns.com/Calendar.htm

Another club in the Tyler area will likely come on board in 2010.

Please let me know if I can answer any questions for you,

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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2010, 05:03:03 pm »

There are none in the Pacific Northwest. Closest are California and Wyoming. Does NCOWS still do events with double action revolvers, semi-auto pistiols, and rifles of the first couple of decades of the 20th Century now that SASS has the Wild Bunch events using 1911's? I tried skimming through the rules on the NCOWS website but couldn't tell from the wording.
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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2010, 05:11:18 pm »

Howdy RR,

DA revolver from the period prior to 1900 and reproductions are allowed in any category except Pistoleer.  Some models that were introduced prior to 1900 and were produced in the early 20th Cen. are allowed.  They would be in the approved list at NOCWS.org .  Our rules require that the firearm must have originally been made for a black powder cartridge.  That eliminates most all 20th Century ones.  We do not have a "Wild Bunch" shoot as an approved NCOWS class.  Some local clubs may offer it as a side match.  Someone please correct me if I am wrong on any of this!
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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2010, 05:12:38 pm »

And I suppose you could use Starr DA's, if you can get them to work consistently in Pistoleer! Grin
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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2010, 05:45:14 pm »

There are none in the Pacific Northwest. Closest are California and Wyoming. Does NCOWS still do events with double action revolvers, semi-auto pistiols, and rifles of the first couple of decades of the 20th Century now that SASS has the Wild Bunch events using 1911's? I tried skimming through the rules on the NCOWS website but couldn't tell from the wording.

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Here's the direct wording on our firearm regulations:

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7-2. No modern (post 1899) firearms will be allowed unless they are authentic reproductions of traditional firearms or very markedly resemble traditional firearms. Traditional firearms are defined as those manufactured prior to or during the era 1865-1899 and in documented use on the North American Frontier within that time period. Center-fire calibers may substitute for original rim-fire calibers in reproduction firearms. Reproduction firearms chambered in calibers not utilized in original models shall be allowed as long as such calibers are original to the period or are otherwise approved by the National Congress of Old West Shootists.


As you can see, we limit our approved firearms to the time from of 1865 to 1899.  We don't differentiate between single and double action in competition as long as said revolver has some provenance to the time period.

Regarding semi-autos:  We do not allow them since they do not fit the definition above.  Our Congress would allow a member to petition approval of such a firearm, provided the member could provide credible historic reference that such a firearm was in documented use on the North American Frontier.  To date, no such evidence has been produced.
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« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2010, 01:36:03 pm »

From Pancho Peacemaker from another thread:

Similiar situation here in Texas.  There is a VERY strong SASS presence in the DFW/North Texas Area with some 10+ clubs within a 90 minute drive of the DFW metro area.  I am not anti-SASS by any means, but some shooters are growing weary of the super-close target arrays and the repetitive "10-10-4" order of fire that is the common stage scenario in SASS.

The spearhead of our NCOWS efforts was our SASS TG.  He presented NCOWS not as a competing entity, but an alternative shooting style.  Our club ran some "NCOWS based" matches to gauge interest.  The matches were spread by word of mouth and email.  We emphasized the target array (longer distances, more accuracy based) and more challenging order of fire.  We also addressed the "authenticity dogma" by emphasizing NCOWS "one year to authenticity" rule.  We also emphasized the working cowboy class which appeals to lots of folks, especially the newer shooters who don't have "all the guns" yet.

Some mythology we disspelled right off the top:

1)  Yes you can use gun carts (Most folks "heard" NCOWS outlaws them which is untrue)
2)  Yes you can use Rugers  (Again folks "heard" NCOWS outlaws Rugers.  You do need to explain the problems with the modern features of the Blackhawk and the "bisley" frame they sell.)
3)  No, there will be no "clothing police" checking you over at the parking lot.  Dress like you usually do for SASS when you come out.  Just remember that there is no "B-Western" class here.

Over the first year we became "official", folks who took to NCOWS have made the appropriate changes in their gear, leather, and attire to achieve the Level 1 authenticity.  It didn't take any arm twisting.  Shooters who wanted to be in the NCOWS game did the reading, asked questions, and made some changes (most of them very minor.)

The ideals of NCOWS took for about 80% of our club membership.  I would say that the emphasis on accuracy and the "fun" factor at each stage was the draw for most.   Our club stage writers always have you throwing a knife, shooting a bow, or rescuing a maiden in distress at each match. 

Most of our members still shoot SASS as well.  We do our NCOWS matches on different days than SASS, so we have not dropped any match dates.  We do have a few hard corp folks that will only shoot SASS and a few that will only shoot NCOWS, but most will attend either.  No one was "robbed" of members.
 
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