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« on: July 23, 2018, 10:09:38 pm »


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I have several questions regarding loads for a new Uberti Schofield in .45 Long Colt.  First of all, I think I should break it in a little.  I have a box or two of .452 250 grain lead flat tip, round nose bullets.  What would a good load using Titegroup be?  The loads for Titegroup in .45 Long Colt are 5.6 to 6.2 grains.  I'm willing to bet no one will suggest the max load, but should I break in using 5.6 or 5.9 (middle) grains?

I plan on using Titegroup powder because I have some, and because its not supposed to be position sensitive.  Most cast bullet manufacturers sell 200 and 250 grain lead flat nose round bullets for lever actions.  If memory serves, the original load for the Schofield is a 230 grain round nose, but Lyman didn't publish a load for those.  I did find a load on the Hogdon sight.

I plan on trying the poly coated bullets, which both High Plains and Missouri Bullet sell now.  I can get 200, 230, and 250 grain poly coated and try them out with Titegroup.  The Lyman Manual (50th) has loads for 200 and 250 grain bullets in a .45 LC and a .45 Schofield.  I also found load data for the 230 grain round nose on the Hogdon sight.  

My second question is if it is worth my time and effort to work up loads for all three bullets in both .45 Schofield and .45 Long Colt brass.

Hodgdon says that Titegroup with a 230 grain .452" bullet minimum is 5.8 grains with a max of 6.5 grains for .45 Long Colt with 4.5 grains minimum and 5.8 grains max in a .45 Schofield.  I didn't copy the .45 S&W and .45 LC Loads from the Lyman book here.
  
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2018, 08:36:45 am »

I used Titegroup for both my Schofield and .45 ACP loads at the Muster, but I'm not at home now and don't remember the details.
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2018, 12:18:28 pm »

Oh Boy, Oh Boy, Oh Boy.

First some CAVEATS.  And some harassment.  First harassment ... You must first understand we only deal in quality harassment here.  None of that cheap stuff you see on other boards.  Our harassment is made from the best stuff on earth.  Where was I, Oh yeah,
There is No Such Thing as 45 "Long Colt."  That's a term coined by some clown magazine writer some eons ago.  There has only ever been "45 Colt."  There have been other cartridges such as 45 government (not a 45 Colt but would chamber) and 45 Schofield.

Next.  There is no need to "Break In" your revolver.  All you need to do is take it out and play with it.

Unless your a Masochist, there is also no need for those big 'Ol heavy bullets.  Unless you just must experience the recoil of yesteryear.  I would suggest nothing heavier than 200Gr bullets.  I personally like em even lighter.

I do not personally like Trailboss.  The stuff doesn't play real well with petroleum based lubricants and by comparison, shoots a little dirty.  My favorite in all manner of .45 is Tightgroup.  Some don't like it because of it's "bark."  It also meters superbly.  You may also wish to try Cowboy 45 Special cases.  Cute little short jobbers perfect for reduced loads.

NEVER.  EVER.  Shop for reload data on any Web Site, Forum, Board or any of that.  Get a real good loading Manuel and get your load data from trusted sources that have thorough scientific testing of their data.  I have seen load data presented that caused my hair and toes to curl.  If using Tightgroup, a visit to Hodgden's web data is a great idea.  If you can't find load data for a particular powder in your Cartridge/Bullet combo, you probably shouldn't be trying to load it??

Working up load is fun.  I see no reason not work up loads for all the 45 cartridges you gun will chamber.  ANOTHER CAVEAT:  Your Schofield is not a Smith M-29.  Approach any listed Max load data with caution.

I return you to our normally scheduled programming  Grin   
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2018, 01:11:02 pm »

Get a real good loading Manuel and get your load data from trusted sources that have thorough scientific testing of their data.

First some CAVEATS.  And some harassment.  First harassment ... You must first understand we only deal in quality harassment here.  None of that cheap stuff you see on other boards.  Our harassment is made from the best stuff on earth.  Where was I, Oh yeah,
  Grin You must know a different Manuel than I do. I'd never trust the Manuel I know to give me load data, I'd be afraid he'd been smoking something strange. Personally, I like to get my load data from a manual. Wink
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2018, 06:27:01 pm »

Oh Boy, Oh Boy, Oh Boy.

First some CAVEATS.  And some harassment.  First harassment ... You must first understand we only deal in quality harassment here.  None of that cheap stuff you see on other boards.  Our harassment is made from the best stuff on earth.  Where was I, Oh yeah,
There is No Such Thing as 45 "Long Colt."  That's a term coined by some clown magazine writer some eons ago.  There has only ever been "45 Colt."  There have been other cartridges such as 45 government (not a 45 Colt but would chamber) and 45 Schofield.

Next.  There is no need to "Break In" your revolver.  All you need to do is take it out and play with it.

Unless your a Masochist, there is also no need for those big 'Ol heavy bullets.  Unless you just must experience the recoil of yesteryear.  I would suggest nothing heavier than 200Gr bullets.  I personally like em even lighter.

I do not personally like Trailboss.  The stuff doesn't play real well with petroleum based lubricants and by comparison, shoots a little dirty.  My favorite in all manner of .45 is Tightgroup.  Some don't like it because of it's "bark."  It also meters superbly.  You may also wish to try Cowboy 45 Special cases.  Cute little short jobbers perfect for reduced loads.

NEVER.  EVER.  Shop for reload data on any Web Site, Forum, Board or any of that.  Get a real good loading Manuel and get your load data from trusted sources that have thorough scientific testing of their data.  I have seen load data presented that caused my hair and toes to curl.  If using Tightgroup, a visit to Hodgden's web data is a great idea.  If you can't find load data for a particular powder in your Cartridge/Bullet combo, you probably shouldn't be trying to load it??

Working up load is fun.  I see no reason not work up loads for all the 45 cartridges you gun will chamber.  ANOTHER CAVEAT:  Your Schofield is not a Smith M-29.  Approach any listed Max load data with caution.

I return you to our normally scheduled programming  Grin   

Hi

45 LC is in them there Reloadin' Manuel's. 

Break in / get good enough with the trigger to think I'm working up a load as opposed to spray and pray.

So far the recoil doesn't really annoy me that much.  I shot 200 grain commercial cowboy loads in the GAF match, but I have 250 grain bullets in the box here.  I'll probably use the most accurate load I can get.  I don't want to use the maximum loads, new Schofields ain't cheap. 

Took a while, but I did find 230 grain loads, so I have a Reloadin' Manuel load from all three bullet weights I'll probably get.  No getting information from suspicious types. 

I hate loading Trail Boss, but because it floats all over the place when I reload it.  Gray Donut Seeds all over the place. 

Yee Haw

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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2018, 08:28:46 am »

The Manuel I am familiar with sells tacos and burritos.  Good food, but I don't ask where the meat comes from, and I don't ask him for reloading data!
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2018, 09:55:51 am »

See?  QUALITY harassment!






My 5" Schofield really likes 230 grainers.  Loaded over a mild charge of Alliant American Select (My favorite lead bullet handgun Smokeless Powder)  in Schofield cases around 750 fps.  Used this revolver and load at the Grand Muster.  Good illustration in my "Siboney" run.

Standard .45 acp and Auto rim loads work nicely in the Schofield case. 
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2018, 10:11:57 am »

Hi

My Schofield shoots 6 inches or so low at 20 yards.  Reading this:

https://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_bullet_velocity_trajectory.htm

leads me to think that moving up to 230 or 250 grain lead would help with the point of aim.  I don't intend on purchasing more Schofleids even though they fit my had much better than the Uberti SAA I own.  I don't want to tear the Schofield up.  Having said that, I think I'll try 200's and 230's first.

Oddly, I think I'll have lunch at the Super Mercado.  Carne Asada burrito with avocado sounds good.

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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2018, 11:01:55 am »

See?  QUALITY harassment!
I'm not sure if there is a rule/penalty for piling on!
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2018, 01:09:34 pm »

I'm not sure if there is a rule/penalty for piling on!

I thought you got credit for being the first, second, and third to count coup, but what do I know, I'm half German half United Kingdom.

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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2018, 03:05:41 pm »

Oh Boy, Oh Boy, Oh Boy.

First some CAVEATS.  And some harassment.  First harassment ... You must first understand we only deal in quality harassment here.  None of that cheap stuff you see on other boards.  Our harassment is made from the best stuff on earth.  Where was I, Oh yeah,
There is No Such Thing as 45 "Long Colt."  That's a term coined by some clown magazine writer some eons ago.  There has only ever been "45 Colt."  There have been other cartridges such as 45 government (not a 45 Colt but would chamber) and 45 Schofield.

Next.  There is no need to "Break In" your revolver.  All you need to do is take it out and play with it.

Unless your a Masochist, there is also no need for those big 'Ol heavy bullets.  Unless you just must experience the recoil of yesteryear.  I would suggest nothing heavier than 200Gr bullets.  I personally like em even lighter.

I do not personally like Trailboss.  The stuff doesn't play real well with petroleum based lubricants and by comparison, shoots a little dirty.  My favorite in all manner of .45 is Tightgroup.  Some don't like it because of it's "bark."  It also meters superbly.  You may also wish to try Cowboy 45 Special cases.  Cute little short jobbers perfect for reduced loads.

NEVER.  EVER.  Shop for reload data on any Web Site, Forum, Board or any of that.  Get a real good loading Manuel and get your load data from trusted sources that have thorough scientific testing of their data.  I have seen load data presented that caused my hair and toes to curl.  If using Tightgroup, a visit to Hodgden's web data is a great idea.  If you can't find load data for a particular powder in your Cartridge/Bullet combo, you probably shouldn't be trying to load it??

Working up load is fun.  I see no reason not work up loads for all the 45 cartridges you gun will chamber.  ANOTHER CAVEAT:  Your Schofield is not a Smith M-29.  Approach any listed Max load data with caution.

I return you to our normally scheduled programming  Grin   

  My own harassment-

 There is NOW and will forever be a 45 "Long" Colt. It's printed on ammunition boxes and all sorts of documentation everywhere and the accepted abbreviation for the 45 Colt is now and will always be 45 LC (because "45 C" makes no sense) So you fellers can give all the history lessons you want on the subject, but the moniker will never go away. There!

  Loads- One aggravating thing about the 45 LC is its propensity to shoot low with lighter bullets. I tried some 200 gr. bullets in my 45 LC's and even running then.similar velocities to the 250 gr. bullets they shot like 6" low at 25 yds. There's nothing wrong or masochistic about loading and shooting the bullets for which the cartridge was designed. Seems pointless to to buy a 45 LC and try to load it down when it'd be cheaper to just buy a .38 Special. My every day practice load is a 250 gr. cast bullet in the original profile running around 800-850 fps, a little lighter than the original load. I load 6.0 grs. of Red Dot or 700-X. Both are popular with the clay bird fellas so they're cheaper., but evidently Titegroup is really good too. I'll never try TraIl Boss, it's just too expensive and you'll never convince me that sometbing shaped like Cheerios is going to meter well.

  The single best source for load data is at www.loaddata.com.  For about $30 per annum you have access to over 300,000 loads, all of which can be sorted by powder manufacturer, powder brand, bullet manufacturer, bullet weight and bullet composition, and the results printed. A quick search of 45 LC data using cast bullets and Titegroup turned up 58 loads.

  CHT
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