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« on: October 08, 2017, 10:36:01 pm »


Troopers, I picked up a project 1917 bolo knife some years ago which was missing the guard and had junky wood. But in my poking around the internet recently I've discovered that while there was a Krag bayonet (I have a very nice 1899 bayonet which matches my 1899 Constabulary Krag) there also was a krag-bolo bayonet along with a krag-bowie bayonet which can go for the paltry sum of 2-4 grand a pop depending on condition! A very good looking curvy hunk of steel. Anyway, I eventually found a pair of repro grips for the bolo but have never put them on as I'll have to cut the grip to install a homemade guard first (which I haven't made yet) and things got in the way. But now I'm thinking that if I have to cut it up anyway why not do something really neat with it. I'm wondering if anyone in the Barracks has a broken Krag bayonet that they don't mind parting with. I have a blade, anybody got the back half? Not trying to build a fake just a reasonable facsimile.


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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2017, 04:37:23 am »

I think Niederlander has a broken krag bayonet. He shot it off the end of his rifle. Shocked

 Roll Eyes I guess that might not do you much good though.  Wink
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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2017, 04:54:40 am »

I have considered this project myself several times. I came up with the scabbard being way more work than the bayonet itself. I have also considered approaching Atlanta Cutlery with having them reproduced in India. I think this may be the best route.
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2017, 08:03:20 pm »

I'd settle for a reproduction of the standard U.S. Krag bayonet.  I've been hunting a beater example for a while now with an eye towards a knife conversion. 
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2017, 08:38:08 pm »

Charles Isaac has an orginal Bolo bayonet, might be able to provide you with dimensions.

Lots of Krag Bayonets on Ebay.  Grab this one with BIN: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-SPANISH-AMERICAN-WAR-Vintage-US-ARMY-KRAG-BAYONET-SCABBARD-Dated-1899-/401388150905?hash=item5d74992079:g:XGoAAOSwSdFZfkLt
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2017, 08:39:43 pm »

Knife Conversion?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Krag-Bayonet-Knife-/202078384079?hash=item2f0ccf6fcf:g:HKEAAOSwuaFZ3XOa
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2017, 09:22:27 pm »

If someone makes a reproduction, I hope it fits better than the repro 1903 bayonet I have. Took an hour or more with a file to get it on the rifle and sorta lock on, but only sorta. And wobbly. I have shot it with bayo mounted with cast/trailboss loads, but I think it'd not stay mounted if I used ball ammo.
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2017, 11:29:49 pm »

I found a nice original 1899 bayonet years ago. It stays on my 1899 constabulary rifle fine. Before I found it I carried a Spanish bayonet around as a Cuban 'war souvenir' in my Mills belt as part of my Span Am outfit.

Update-found a donor fleabay Krag bayonet ( no scabbard) that was ground on and the blade looked rough. Something I read in my research - a scabbard is for a weapon while a sheath is for a tool. Makes sense. Anyway I did some tracing and drawing and there should be plenty of blade in my 1917 bolo if I turn the blade slightly to reshape it into a correct Krag bowie profile. Waiting for it to ship. Anybody need bolo scales send me a pm. I'll probably use the bolo sheath until I can build something more correct.
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2017, 07:39:14 am »

There's usually a fair selection of standard Krag bayonets on E-bay, just takes money to get one. But usually my money gets tied up in outfitting one of my foreign rifles.
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2017, 11:36:56 am »

Here's my drawing. The Krag bayonet is my 1899 model that I used for the drawing and is not to be sacrificed. Way too nice.


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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2017, 10:13:15 pm »

Ebay gets me in trouble.  Meantime, I grabbed a cheap beater off Numrich for a test piece.  It's still something of a work in progress. 

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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2017, 09:25:43 am »

New Lower Price!   Tongue

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-1900-U-S-Krag-Bowie-Bayonet-with-Sheath-ball-point-intact-LOWER-PRICE/332406035556?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41376%26meid%3D462ae69e1c034a779c8928aaacde2026%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D202078384079&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2017, 11:42:36 am »

I should buy 2 of them  Grin
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2017, 09:36:06 am »

Got a question for y'all. How is the guard of a Krag bayonet attached to the blade/grip? The wood grips came right off as the rivets were never peened on one side. There is a step from the blade side of the guard @.225 thick to the grip side of the guard @.142 thick. I can see the solder on the grip where the pommel attaches?. I would need to slide the guard towards the pommel to attach the bowie blade under the grip panels and then slide it back and re attach it.
 Update---  I figured it out!!! The guard is friction fit to the blade, no pins, no solder, just the step and grips. Used a wood mallet and worked it right off.


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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2018, 09:15:41 pm »

Evening troopers, I know this is old but Iíve finally gotten back to my Krag Bowie build. I discovered a really neat dremel tool accessory that made me decide to restart the project. Itís a quick connect EZ lock cut off blade. It has a bowtie shaped reenforced cutout in the little cutoff wheel. The wheels are actually pretty tough, not brittle like the older cut off blades are. I was able to cut the radius of the bowie blade into the top of my bolo blade with no heat problems as opposed to grinding all that steel off. Today I built a jig to allign the grip rivet holes and guard location. The angle of the bolo grip will change slightly to accommodate the bayonetís grip wood. I plan on having the bayonet and bolo grips welded between the rivet holes. Donít plan on using it to hack stuff but it needs to be strong enough to withstand shooting the rifle with it mounted. Iíve got alot of steel to get rid of on the bolo to get the krag guard to fit on it. And with the goofy one sided sharpened blade of the bolo Iím not sure how I will sharpen it. If I try to move the edge to the center of the blade I will unfortunately lose some blade width. The 20 foot rule might have to be sufficient. Photos soon.
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« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2018, 07:52:13 am »

Tagging this cool project!
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« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2018, 07:44:24 pm »

Here is a pix of my Krag bowie build grip rivet location, cutting and welding jig. ( Iíve always liked to build jigs for projects as it give me a opportunity to figure out a way to do the build successfully) This jig shows where my grip rivets, grip panels and guard are located so when Iíve removed enough steel from the bolo grip, it fits on my jig pin along with the bayonet grip and the bayonet guard fits the bolo I will soak the oak blocks and tack weld the diagonal cut, remove it from my jig and finish weld the seam. Iím still not exactly sure how long or where my guard will be on the bolo blade, I cut the large pommel off the bolo as it was in the way. The bowie cuts on the bolo turned out nice. Used the dremel new cutoff blades for the cuts, a neat accessory, and a variety of belt sanders for the curve. The original Krag Bowie had an oal of 12.3 in and a blade of a hair over 9 in. And of course Iíll have to try and move the bowieís edge to the center of the blade instead of the flat side edge of the bolo. I guess the flat sided blade edge was better at chopping trees than a conventional edge as bolos were supposedly issued to medical corpsman to use in making litter poles.


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« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2018, 09:10:50 am »

There were two types of bolo knives issued.  The Hospital/ Medical Corps had a large heavy rounded front edge and was supposed to be used for cutting splints, with the flat back/top edge used as a tool to drive in tent stakes, as it was not a combat weapon.  The M 1917 Bolo was a weapon issued to machine gun crews as a defensive weapon and for cutting brush for concealment of their weapon.
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« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2018, 10:38:46 am »

 Thanks for the clarification 38OVI. Another cut and grind.


Home from visiting my wife in the hospital, got the bolo tang trimmed and thinned enough to go on my jig. Tomorrow Iíll try to get the guard fitted on the bolo. That will take a bit of work as Iíll have to remove metal gently with hand files to get a good tight fit.


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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2018, 12:07:04 pm »

Heavy SIGHHHHHHHHHHHHH !

this thread, cool as the project is.... brings back a  Roll Eyes memory

about 1954-5 as best I recall, my Dad had a Krag Bayonet probably got it at the Huge surper neat Army Surplus store in Miami.
paid maybe couple of bucks for it...Complete with steel scabbard....  

I remember it vividly .... another , I wish I still had it moment !.... sadly lost in my Barn fire of 2012
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« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2018, 07:12:46 pm »

I think that Iíve got my bayonet guard where I want it on the bolo. With the two tangs clipped together the bowie goes right on my constabulary rifleís mount and feels about as loose as my 1899 Krag bayonet. Hopefully I can get it tig welded and the edge redone this weekend. Iím wondering how it would look with stag instead of wood scales? Anybody have a bayonet with non issue scales? I plan on hitting some oxpho blue on it too. Canít hurt.


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« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2018, 08:53:54 pm »

Cool project, wonder how far the point of impact will be shooting with and without the bayonet attached.  I can't remember ever shooting in the army with my bayonet fixed. But then I was not at the Chosin or Guadalcanal or Bastogne
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« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2018, 09:43:59 pm »

Ask Niederlander about shooting with fixed bayonets
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« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2018, 07:42:34 am »

Ask Niederlander about shooting with fixed bayonets

Or maybe that should be "semi fixed" bayonets.
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« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2018, 09:22:15 am »

Found one on fleabay for only a paltry $3000.00. Except for a dent on the scabbard it looks nice. Got my tangs welded on my bolo bowie, now I have to fit the wood. Planning on using it next weekend at our clubs Punitive Expedition match, bolt guns, 1911s and 97s, the perfect combination. Hopefully it will stay on my rifle Pitspitr.


Update- we got rained out so our boltgun, 1911 and 1897 match is tentatively moved to August.


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