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Re: 45 Cowboy Special: Starline made it legit?
« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2017, 10:19:36 PM »
Ho Drydock,

Starline will perhaps do that if you will pony up for 50,000 pieces. . .
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Re: 45 Cowboy Special: Starline made it legit?
« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2017, 11:11:41 AM »
Ho Drydock,

Starline will perhaps do that if you will pony up for 50,000 pieces. . .

I'll taken 500!
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Re: 45 Cowboy Special: Starline made it legit?
« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2017, 10:09:55 AM »
I've got a couple thousand or so Big Lube® J/P 45 200g cast up.  They will go in C45Spl brass and 45 Colt brass.  This seems to be my ideal Big Lube® bullet for those two kinds of brass.  Heavy enough to take Bambi or KDs and light enough that the recoil is manageable.

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Re: 45 Cowboy Special: Starline made it legit?
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Re: 45 Cowboy Special: Starline made it legit?
« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2017, 12:20:01 PM »
I've got a couple thousand or so Big Lube® J/P 45 200g cast up.  They will go in C45Spl brass and 45 Colt brass.  This seems to be my ideal Big Lube® bullet for those two kinds of brass.  Heavy enough to take Bambi or KDs and light enough that the recoil is manageable.

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Re: 45 Cowboy Special Starline made it legit?
« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2017, 06:36:37 PM »
That CAS case with 1.3 c/c FFFg powder and a 200 grain bullet, I believe, pretty much  duplicates the ballistics of the original 44 Henry load.
Correct me if i am wrong.
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I've seen that the original 44 Henry had 28 grains of black powder with a 200 grain bullet which is what a 45 Schofield uses. Seems to me the 45 Cowboy special would be an anemic round even comparing to the old 45 Henry.
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Re: 45 Cowboy Special: Starline made it legit?
« Reply #45 on: November 16, 2017, 06:39:02 PM »
The underlying thing is, Starline see's enough future in CAS to tool up....

That is a good thing  :)


That is a very good thing
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Re: 45 Cowboy Special: Starline made it legit?
« Reply #46 on: November 16, 2017, 08:31:08 PM »
How about ..... Let us Remember ....... and Understand .......

The 44 Henry Flat was a Balloon Head straight wall Copper Case round, designed and intended primarily as a Pseudo Military round to do great harm to soft pink Bodies.  Follow that part??

The Cowboy 45 Special was designed to be a reduced recoil round to promote the .45 Caliber as being competitive in CAS to .38 loadings.  However, with a 200Gr projectile, velocities are achieved that would not be considered "Anemic."  Certainly quite lethal.  The velocities obtained are not that far off from "others" and one should retain sight of the design objective.  Ringing Steel Plates.

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Re: 45 Cowboy Special Starline made it legit?
« Reply #47 on: November 17, 2017, 07:03:22 AM »
I've seen that the original 44 Henry had 28 grains of black powder with a 200 grain bullet which is what a 45 Schofield uses. Seems to me the 45 Cowboy special would be an anemic round even comparing to the old 45 Henry.
I've heard the same thing about 45acp and 9mm.
Anemic.
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Re: 45 Cowboy Special: Starline made it legit?
« Reply #48 on: November 17, 2017, 12:51:26 PM »
Howdy Cliff,

The US Army went to the Colt 1911 pistol chambered in 45ACP because they needed more firepower.  The 45ACP is NOT a puny round, even by today's magnum mania standards.

The Cowboy 45 Special brass has the SAME internal volume as the 45ACP, uses the same primer and bullet.  The ONLY difference is the rim.  The C45Spl has the same rim as the 45Colt.  Now, if that rim makes that much difference to you, shoot 45 Colt and stay happy.  However, my Pietta Army 1860 open tops are too fragile to handle a full house 45 Colt load and would shake apart after a couple of matches.  With the C45Spl and 20 grains of FFFg black powder under a J/P45-200 the guns will last a lot longer.  No, it's not an ROA but I sure like the way it points and shoots.  I have Kirst Konverter cylinders and a gated plates and Kirst ejectors.  They are right handsome shootin' irons and I really like their fit to my big hands.

Were I to need something more robust I'd load up my brace of ROAs with strong 45 Colt ammo and have at it.  For home defence I have a 12ga SxS by my bed.  With 33.5 grains of smokeless behind a buffered load of 1.5oz. of #3 nickel plated shot, this would be my 1st choice hall sweeper.

So, yes, there's a place for light recoiling loads in SASS shooting and the C45Spl fills the bill nicely.

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Re: 45 Cowboy Special: Starline made it legit?
« Reply #49 on: November 18, 2017, 10:57:21 AM »

DD..

Well Said  ;D

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