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Lord Eoin MacKenzie
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« on: August 14, 2017, 03:01:54 pm »


I got a British styled Kilt which has the wide loops for a stable belt.   Which shop  might have them?
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2017, 03:11:31 pm »

Gosh, my local clothing store sold their last one just last week.............seriously, Rattlesnake Jack would probably be the one to ask.  I'm always amazed at the things people (myself included!) are looking for to play this game!
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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2017, 05:06:48 pm »

https://onlinemilitaria.net/products/6308-British-WWI-Stable-Belt/

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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2017, 10:06:43 pm »

Keep in mind that any web belt in the British military is actually a 20th century thing - no web equipment was introduced for general issue until the Pattern 1908 web equipment.  So a stable belt such as Drydock has linked to ... or the standard P'1908 web belt that would actually have been worn in service (a reproduction of which is also sold by WPG: http://onlinemilitaria.net/products/1343-UK-P08-Belt/) would be appropriate only for an Expansion Era impression. Prior to that, British military waistbelts were leather (normally buff) and in any event were not worn on the trousers (which had suspenders) nor on a kilt (which pinned or buckled around the waist) but rather over the tunic ...

Although a waistbelt was an essential accoutrement with the earlier "great kilt" (i.e. belted plaid). the "small kilt" which has been around for the past couple of hundred years has for most of its existence been fitted to the wearer and held in place by kilt pins and later (but still before the end of the 19th century) with straps and buckles, so a waistbelt is unnecessary for the kilt itself, and was not in fact used in period military wear -



As mentioned above, in the British Army (including Highland Regiments) any waistbelt forming part of the uniform was worn over the tunic or jacket ... such as can be seen over the doublet worn by the Drummer in the center of this plate from Osprey Men-at-Arms #442 ("Queen Victoria's Highlanders").  Note also that the partially dressed Private on the left, with his highland pattern tunic open, has no waistbelt on the kilt -



Another plate from the same volume ... note that the waistbelt is actually even worn over the bottom of the short white drill jacket -



Actually, any belt loops on a kilt are really there for "modern informal wear" - i.e. if the kilt is worn without a waistcoat or closed jacket - as that is really the only time a belt will even be visible.  This would include "shirtsleeves order" in modern military wear, but of course such an order of dress didn't even exist in the Victorian or Edwardian eras -  



Otherwise, such a belt won't even be visible -

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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2017, 10:34:28 pm »

If your looking for a leather belt the U S M1904 may be a good stand-in.  Mine is 1 3/4 inches wide and made of good stout leather.  You may have to replace the buckle with something a little more British.  It's light enough in color that you could make it just about any shade you desire.

http://onlinemilitaria.net/products/3287-US-Army-M1904-Leather-Garrison-and-Saber-Belt/
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