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« on: August 06, 2017, 04:29:00 pm »


Just heard from the man that the various BLUE Mills belts, both .45-70 and .30-40 are starting to roll in.  His first batch of .45-70 will be in his hands tomorrow!  The .30-40 should follow shortly. Will advise.

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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2017, 08:02:55 pm »

Cool!  I've been using a khaki belt, and it's great!
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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2017, 11:43:42 pm »

What was the cut off ....the Blue was used until ?    the khaki ?   

I see what appears to be both in use in Cuba ....




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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2017, 07:15:57 am »

For what it's worth, I think your best bet is to find pictures of whatever unit you're wishing to portray and go with what the photographs say they used.  I'm not sure there was actually a "cut-off" until they went to the pocketed belt with the '03 Springfield. 
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2017, 09:01:31 am »

In my small researching of military uniforms and accoutrements I believe that quartermasters issued the material that they had until it was gone. No quartermaster would have taken back perfectly good items in order to issue the 'new' one just because the style or color changed. And the farther out that the fort or outpost was the less resupply it would have and the resupply would have naturally been the old stuff. Look at photos of Pershings Punitive Expedition's troopers as opposed to Rooseveldts Rough Riders. Pershing's guys look pretty ratty while Teddy's were sharp. There may have been an approval to issue a new piece of gear but how long did it actually take to get to the guys in the field? Old photos are the best way to build an impression. Your impression would be correct for that moment in time and at that location for that particular trooper.
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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2017, 09:20:31 am »

I happen to have an original of the very buckle on the khaki belt above ....

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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2017, 10:21:36 am »

As a rule of thumb but not set in stone, it appears blue was largely on regulars and khaki on state and volunteer units.
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2017, 10:58:32 am »

As a rule of thumb but not set in stone, it appears blue was largely on regulars and khaki on state and volunteer units.

That was my impression as well
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2017, 12:14:00 pm »

I don't know about the Army, but just about all the pictures I've found of Marines show them with khaki belts.
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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2017, 05:59:30 pm »

The army always issued blue up until the changover in 1905/07.  However, contractors during the SAW made the undyed ones, and while they were mostly issued to volunteer and state units, they were known to pop up most anywhere. 

The Marines used blue until around 1903, when they went to undyed ones when the army discontinued acceptance of their own blue belts in anticipation of the new clip loaders.  But those would be delayed until 1907, with the Marines not receiving theirs until 1911 or so.
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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2017, 08:58:52 pm »

All the pictures I have of Marines, especially in the Philippines, show khaki belts.  In fact, I've never seen pictures of Marines with Krag belts of any other color.  The earlier Winchester-Lee belts were all blue, but I'd love to see pictures of Marines wearing blue Krag belts if anyone has any.  Always love to have additional documentation!
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2017, 08:56:04 am »

Grenadier wrote "As a rule of thumb but not set in stone, it appears blue was largely on regulars and khaki on state and volunteer units."
Recently I found an original 45-70 blue belt on EBay that had a Rhode Island Militia buckle on it, having grown up in RI I decided that would be an interesting project to duplicate. So I pulled the (all replica from here on out) RI buckle I had on a 30-40 tan belt off and swapped it with the US buckle I had on my 45-70 blue belt. Now I have a duplicate of the original RI 45-70 blue belt and a US 30-40 tan. Probably doesn't matter much to anyone but me, but it brings a little bit of home a little closer to this old fart who now resides in Ohio. And the 45-70 goes with my Conn militia Peabody that was made in RI. Grin
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2017, 06:07:59 pm »

I ordered and received a .45 caliber blue Mills belt from WPG.  As usual, the shipping was extremely fast.  The belt was of excellent quality and, as advertised, all woven. I have been waiting for someone to reproduce an all-woven version of this belt for many years. If any of you are hesitant about purchasing one, don't be as you will likely be as satisfied with yours as I am mine (I have no connection with Jerry Lee or WPG whatsoever).
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