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Re: .45 Colt or .44-40 in uberti 1873
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2017, 08:49:29 PM »

It depends on how dirty black do you want your lifter. With the .45 Colt chamber blow back really makes things dirty. With either smokeless or Gun Powder* lots of blow back.
With the .44 40 not so much. I cut the blow back down to manageable amounts when shooting Gun Powder using .44 40 cases fire formed to .45 Colt. A PITA to do so I just gave up, went to .45 Cowboy Special and use a lot Ballistol on the lifter when shooting.

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Re: .45 Colt or .44-40 in uberti 1873
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2017, 09:26:41 PM »
Now I've got to find bullets and brass. Im guessing .429 bullets

I size my bullets to .429, but you may want to slug your bore first. I had also tried some at .430 early on, but found them to be difficult to chamber in my gun.  It may take some experimentation.

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Re: .45 Colt or .44-40 in uberti 1873
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2017, 01:40:47 AM »
Now I've got to find bullets and brass. Im guessing .429 bullets

While 44-40 is not difficult to reload, you may need to make certain choices for chambering reasons.  The Ubertis tend to have tight .44-40 chambers.  To use a .429 bullet you may need to limit yourself to Winchester or Starline brass as they have the thinnest neck.  There are discussions here and there about this.  Depending on your dies, you may need to modify the sizing die to set the shoulder low enough.  And try to use a bullet that lets gives you a crimp groove and keeps OAL under 1.6".   After you get set, no problemo  :)

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Re: .45 Colt or .44-40 in uberti 1873
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Re: .45 Colt or .44-40 in uberti 1873
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2017, 01:54:23 AM »
Now I've got to find bullets and brass. Im guessing .429 bullets

 I cast and load for 5 different .44 Specials, a Uberti 1873 .44 Magnum, a Uberti .44-40 SA, and the above mentioned .44-40. They all get their bullets sized .430" and they all work great. I use Starline brass exclusively.

 If you need some .430" bullets to try when your 44-40 arrives, shoot me a PM and I'll send you some.

 Here's a super good price on 44-40 brass http://www.gunbroker.com/item/628851375 $25.00/100 with free shipping.

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Re: .45 Colt or .44-40 in uberti 1873
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2017, 11:39:37 AM »
Well, the dealer I ordered the gun from told me yesterday that they had ordered from Taylor & Co in Virginia (I believe) and they had one left in stock but they opened it and found a big scratch on it and said they would not send it to my dealer.   The dealer then contacted another distributor in Maryland and they had several in stock and it should be on it's way to my dealer.    They apologized for the delay whereas I thanked them for not trying to give me a scratched gun.  (if there is any wear and tear on it, I'm going to do it myself, LOL!!)

What dealer is there in Maryland?   (the dealer employee couldn't remember off the top of his head) I know there is Cimarron in Texas and Taylor & Co in Virginia but those are the two big ones that I know of.   Since Uberti is (or was) in Maryland (or did they move to Tennessee under the same umbrella with Beretta?) could they have ordered directly from the factory somehow?

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Re: .45 Colt or .44-40 in uberti 1873
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2017, 10:27:43 PM »
Well, the dealer I ordered the gun from told me yesterday that they had ordered from Taylor & Co in Virginia (I believe) and they had one left in stock but they opened it and found a big scratch on it and said they would not send it to my dealer.   The dealer then contacted another distributor in Maryland and they had several in stock and it should be on it's way to my dealer.    They apologized for the delay whereas I thanked them for not trying to give me a scratched gun.  (if there is any wear and tear on it, I'm going to do it myself, LOL!!)

What dealer is there in Maryland?   (the dealer employee couldn't remember off the top of his head) I know there is Cimarron in Texas and Taylor & Co in Virginia but those are the two big ones that I know of.   Since Uberti is (or was) in Maryland (or did they move to Tennessee under the same umbrella with Beretta?) could they have ordered directly from the factory somehow?

There's dealers, distributors and importers.  Generally a dealer is your local gun store.  A distributor is a large wholesaler that sells to dealers.  An importer is the one that imports guns and sells them to the distrubutors and dealers.  Taylors is an importer and sells to distributors and dealers.

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Re: .45 Colt or .44-40 in uberti 1873
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2017, 05:49:53 AM »
Well, the dealer I ordered the gun from told me yesterday that they had ordered from Taylor & Co in Virginia (I believe) and they had one left in stock but they opened it and found a big scratch on it and said they would not send it to my dealer.   The dealer then contacted another distributor in Maryland and they had several in stock and it should be on it's way to my dealer.    They apologized for the delay whereas I thanked them for not trying to give me a scratched gun.  (if there is any wear and tear on it, I'm going to do it myself, LOL!!)

What dealer is there in Maryland?   (the dealer employee couldn't remember off the top of his head) I know there is Cimarron in Texas and Taylor & Co in Virginia but those are the two big ones that I know of.   Since Uberti is (or was) in Maryland (or did they move to Tennessee under the same umbrella with Beretta?) could they have ordered directly from the factory somehow?

Probably  Stoeger -Accokeek, Maryland  also serves as an FFL for importing firearms by Uberti, also  Benelli Beretta group.
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Re: .45 Colt or .44-40 in uberti 1873
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2017, 06:30:39 PM »
Honestly I would much rather have one from Cimarron or Taylors. The markings make for a much nicer looking gun.

The Stoegers have funky looking stamping on them and for whatever other reasons the ones I have owned and compared on average the Cimarrons or Taylors just seem to be nicer finished and better looking wood on them.

I hear all the time they are all Ubertis and all the same but I've compared and owned piles of Uberti guns and that is not necessarily true.

I have culled my herd to cherry pick the best ones and that has pretty much left every Uberti in my safe to be Cimarron except for some older Navy Arms Imported stuff.
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Re: .45 Colt or .44-40 in uberti 1873
« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2017, 10:09:36 PM »
Honestly I would much rather have one from Cimarron or Taylors. The markings make for a much nicer looking gun.

The Stoegers have funky looking stamping on them and for whatever other reasons the ones I have owned and compared on average the Cimarrons or Taylors just seem to be nicer finished and better looking wood on them.

I hear all the time they are all Ubertis and all the same but I've compared and owned piles of Uberti guns and that is not necessarily true.

I have culled my herd to cherry pick the best ones and that has pretty much left every Uberti in my safe to be Cimarron except for some older Navy Arms Imported stuff.

Well that's not encouraging.  My gun came in yesterday.  I still have to go pick it up next time I'm in Houston.  But I hope it looks good.    But then my Schofield is a Stoeger and it looks pretty good. 

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Re: .45 Colt or .44-40 in uberti 1873
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2017, 08:31:43 PM »
Well I picked mine up today.  Distributed by stoger.  .44-49 carbine 1873 winchester uberti.

Brought it to my mom and dads house in the box, dad ask me what kind of rifle i got.  "1873 Winchester", said I.

"OH REALLY?!" he said, excited.   He then said: "turn around and look what whats on."

I turned around and he haf JUST started watching Winchester '73 with Jimmy Stewart ON TCM.   LOL


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Re: .45 Colt or .44-40 in uberti 1873
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2017, 08:57:04 PM »
Isn't carma great! Enjoy your '73. My '73 is my favorite repeater.
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Re: .45 Colt or .44-40 in uberti 1873
« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2017, 09:17:38 PM »
If I'm  not  mistaking, the question is .45 Colt or .44-40 in a Uberti '73.  We all know that the .45LC was never chambered in any of the early Winchesters.  Because I  like period original stuff, I would never buy one in a non-original caliber. Just my opinion.

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Re: .45 Colt or .44-40 in uberti 1873
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2017, 09:44:46 PM »
If I'm  not  mistaking, the question is .45 Colt or .44-40 in a Uberti '73.  We all know that the .45LC was never chambered in any of the early Winchesters.  Because I  like period original stuff, I would never buy one in a non-original caliber. Just my opinion.

I trend to agree.  I would not want any rifle in .38 spl or .357 magnum.

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Re: .45 Colt or .44-40 in uberti 1873
« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2017, 08:55:15 AM »
If I'm  not  mistaking, the question is .45 Colt or .44-40 in a Uberti '73.  We all know that the .45LC was never chambered in any of the early Winchesters.  Because I  like period original stuff, I would never buy one in a non-original caliber. Just my opinion.

I tend to agree however I have owned a couple 45's and still own one of them. It was a deal too good to pass up.
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Re: .45 Colt or .44-40 in uberti 1873
« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2017, 12:59:06 PM »
I have kinda sorta agree with Buck & Cliff... :)

but the thing is  I have both 44/40 & 45 in Henry's ( 2 each )

two were Gifts (1 each ) 1 45 was in a trade and the other 44/40 I bought ( in fact twice having bought it NIB sold it and bought it back many years later.)

I also have a 73 in 44 Special & am seeking one in 32/20....

like Doug...I pass on 38/357.............38/40 Hmmmmm
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Re: .45 Colt or .44-40 in uberti 1873
« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2017, 10:29:52 PM »
Is the carbine supposed to have a saddle ring?  Mine doesnt.  I thought it was called a saddle ring carbine

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« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2017, 06:55:39 AM »
Is the carbine supposed to have a saddle ring?  Mine doesnt.  I thought it was called a saddle ring carbine

If it has a ring I guess you can call it a saddle ring carbine. Otherwise it's just a carbine. ;) I prefer not to have the ring on mine.
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Re: .45 Colt or .44-40 in uberti 1873
« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2017, 09:27:19 AM »
If it has a ring I guess you can call it a saddle ring carbine. Otherwise it's just a carbine. ;) I prefer not to have the ring on mine.

If i had a choice i guess id rather not too.  But i thought it came on all of them

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Re: .45 Colt or .44-40 in uberti 1873
« Reply #38 on: April 10, 2017, 11:10:05 AM »
It would seem for whatever reason I managed to ignore/miss this thread for the longest time.  At least until it is actually too late because Doug.38PR already made a decision and bought his rifle.

However ... It's Monday and I'm bored and my Dog wandered off down stairs and I'm alone and ................

There are several considerations for this question.  Mostly from purely mechanical/practical stand points.  First up is the .45 which is actually more versatile than the 44-40.  With the 45 you have a choice of cartridges, 45 Colt, 45 Schofield and C45S (needs a carrier).  The main drawback is Blow-By.  With 45 cartridges, you get blow-back.  The case will not expand to seal out modern chambers.  The chambers are simply too generous.  Blow-By results in crud building up on the Carrier Block and in the Mortice.  A goodly amount of cleaning is required and some rifles will need a squirt of something in the middle of a CAS match to keep running.  From a personal prejudice vein, NO lever rifles were ever charred in 45 Colt in the time period we portray.

44-40 or 38-40.  The only versatility with the 44-40 is bullet weight and fillers for reduced charges.  With a 44-40 you have a 44-40.  No other cartridges will work.  44-40 is normally Clean, Free Running and Sanitary.  The case seals the chamber so there is seldom any Blow-By at all.  Normally the Carrier Block and Mortice will be as clean at the end of a CAS match as it was at the start.  A Patch or two thru the bore and your done.  From the personal prejudice vein, the 44-40 was the introductory cartridge for the 1873 Rifle.  Historically correct.

If your desire is something resembling history, your only choices are 44-40, 38-40 and 32-20.  If on the other hand, your crazy like I am and just can't resist messing with your rifles, go with the 45 and learn to put up with the Blow-By.

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Re: .45 Colt or .44-40 in uberti 1873
« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2017, 11:36:31 AM »
My first 1873 was in .45 Colt, which I never could get to shoot well, no matter how many different loads I tried in it.  I bought it second hand and maybe that's why it was available.  Some loads had more blow-by than others.  Haven't replaced it, but my 1892 in .38-40 is wonderfully accurate.

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