Frontiersman

[FuriousFritz]

Howdy,
i started with Cowboy category, then tried Frontier Catridge and it seems that i have more fun a the dark, egg smelling side  

Now i´m thinking about to start in Frontiersman. I´ve already got an Uberti 1860 Army, but i would love to have 2 revolvers with 5,5" barrels.
I have that open top revolver, so i thought about getting 2 Pietta 1858 NMA "Sheriff".

Any suggestions to that thougt?

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

A good thought. Tough and versatile, and convenient to fit conversion cylinders. (I still love the Colt 1860 for style and shootability.)

[Coffinmaker]

Before you shell out the money for Remingtons, I strongly recommend you find someone who has one and shoot it first.  I find the ergonomics of the grip just don't suit me.  The trigger guard is close enough it barks my middle finger real hard.  Hard enough to hurt.  Hurt a lot.  Just a thought or two.

Coffinmaker

Were it I ........ I'd opt for a pair of Pietta 1860s with 5 1/2 inch barrels (I already have a pair  )

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[Lefty Dude]

Better have long thumbs, or replace the long Hammer spur. Maybe modify, and do a hammer spur drop.

[Coffinmaker]

Then, cut that "dumb" strap off the top and make it at least look like a Colt 

Coffinmaker

[Noz]

Before you shell out the money for Remingtons, I strongly recommend you find someone who has one and shoot it first.  I find the ergonomics of the grip just don't suit me.  The trigger guard is close enough it barks my middle finger real hard.  Hard enough to hurt.  Hurt a lot.  Just a thought or two.

Coffinmaker

Were it I ........ I'd opt for a pair of Pietta 1860s with 5 1/2 inch barrels (I already have a pair  )

I started with Remingtons and soon discovered that they simply did not fit my hands.  Try some before you buy.

Shot 1860 Armys for several years then graduated to ROAs.

[Abilene]

Then, cut that "dumb" strap off the top and make it at least look like a Colt 

Coffinmaker

A good while back, somebody posted a picture somewhere of a (old model) Vaquero that had been modified into an opentop. 

[Coffinmaker]

Actually, my "Top Strap" suggestion was with tongue stuck firmly in cheek.  Don't know that I'd be willing to play with the top strap removed and absolutely NOTHING structural about the base pin.  With only the bottom of the frame to support the front end of the gun, so far away from the center axis of stress ......... Nah.

Coffinmaker

There is nothing "wrong" with a Remington.  They just don't fit my hands.  And they are ........ Ugly 

[Montana Slim]

Guess we've heard some support for the Colt "style" revolvers.....I'll echo the sentiments. I have a couple Remington's ( 4"  & 8"), shoot fine, the short one is the better, but not due to tthe barrel, it's just better fit & smoother, very dependable (25 yrs old pistol). But my typical armaments have been 8" 1860's or 7 1/2" 1851's. Better draw, and point-ability. They have some minor mechanical advantages of the cylinder pin, & the lack of a top strap allows upward gas (fouling) to eject into the strata (rather than the cylinder pin). Would be no great feat to shoot typical SASS rifle targets all day with em. Speed is make or break on shotgun reloads, transitions, and most important - not having a cap failure.

I'd think hard about acquiring a mate to the Uberti already on hand and get the feet wet in Frontier-land.

From there, you'll find C&B are like orphaned children or stray animals following you home. Can't stop until you have two of each...or maybe multiple sets of the favorites 

As far as odd-duck rework. A friend has a 3rd model dragoon with a home-made top strap welded in  ....now we're talking ugly.

Slim

[45 Dragoon]

Colt made some top strap designs of the Dragoon.  Did away with the arbor hole completely through the cylinder. That's one way to keep the cylinder from binding on the arbor !!!

Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com
Follow me on Instagram @ goonsgunworks

[Fingers McGee]

Guess we've heard some support for the Colt "style" revolvers.....I'll echo the sentiments. I have a couple Remington's ( 4"  & 8"), shoot fine, the short one is the better, but not due to tthe barrel, it's just better fit & smoother, very dependable (25 yrs old pistol). But my typical armaments have been 8" 1860's or 7 1/2" 1851's. Better draw, and point-ability. They have some minor mechanical advantages of the cylinder pin, & the lack of a top strap allows upward gas (fouling) to eject into the strata (rather than the cylinder pin). Would be no great feat to shoot typical SASS rifle targets all day with em. Speed is make or break on shotgun reloads, transitions, and most important - not having a cap failure.

I'd think hard about acquiring a mate to the Uberti already on hand and get the feet wet in Frontier-land.

From there, you'll find C&B are like orphaned children or stray animals following you home. Can't stop until you have two of each...or maybe multiple sets of the favorites 

As far as odd-duck rework. A friend has a 3rd model dragoon with a home-made top strap welded in  ....now we're talking ugly.

Slim

What Slim said +1

[Coffinmaker]

What Slim Said.

What Fingers Said.

With a  Caveat.

Any barrel longer than 4 inches is just excess weight.  1860 & 1851 Snubbies just ROCK

Coffinmaker

[FuriousFritz]

Thanks for your opinions.
I´ll first get a short barrel open top belonging to my 1860 and give Frontiersman a try. 

[Dick Dastardly]

For Iron Clad reliability, go with the ROAs.  For comfort, go with the 1860 open tops.  For ease of recoil, go with the 51s in Navy size.  My choice was the Pietta 1860 open tops with Kirst Konverter cylinders and ejectors.  Now, don't beat on my dog.  This system works for my big hands with arthritis.

In other words, try some, shoot some and then make your decision.

DD-MDA

[cheatin charlie]

Colt made some top strap designs of the Dragoon.  Did away with the arbor hole completely through the cylinder. That's one way to keep the cylinder from binding on the arbor !!!

Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com
Follow me on Instagram @ goonsgunworks

Goon, can you supply links to some pictures?  I have never seen such an animal!  Charlie

[Long Johns Wolf]

FuriousFritz: one caveat regarding shooting CAS matches with .36 cal. C&B revolvers in Germany governed by the BDS rules.
The BDS could adopt most of the SASS rules since June of 2015. That's the good news.
But there is still the MIP you have to reach. If you are competing in a BDS match your percussion revolvers have to reach a MIP of 80 (!).
No matter if they are .36 or .44 cal.
Which is easy with a .44 but very difficult with a .36 cal. revolver.
Good luck!
Long Johns Wolf

[FuriousFritz]

I´ve shot a 1851 Navy .36 a few days ago, also a Remington 1858 in .44
I like that no primer can cause malfunctions at an 1858, but i also like the look of an open top revolver. 

I´ll try to get a 1851 Navy .44. That would be a fine gun

[FuriousFritz]

FuriousFritz: one caveat regarding shooting CAS matches with .36 cal. C&B revolvers in Germany governed by the BDS rules.
The BDS could adopt most of the SASS rules since June of 2015. That's the good news.
But there is still the MIP you have to reach. If you are competing in a BDS match your percussion revolvers have to reach a MIP of 80 (!).
No matter if they are .36 or .44 cal.
Which is easy with a .44 but very difficult with a .36 cal. revolver.
Good luck!
Long Johns Wolf

I´ve already heard about that problem 

[Major 2]

" The BDS could adopt most of the SASS rules since June of 2015. That's the good news.
But there is still the MIP you have to reach. If you are competing in a BDS match your percussion revolvers have to reach a MIP of 80 (!). "

BDS rules   ?  Governing Rules
MIP  ?  Is that muzzle velocities  -   ?   MIP 80

[Long Johns Wolf]

BDS (Bund Deutscher Sportschützen) rules for "cowboy action shooting" matches in Germany: BDS is the second biggest national German shooters assosiation. In cooperation with the SASS they organize "CAS" matches over here.
Unfortunately, 100 % of the SASS rules cannot be applied because a few of the rules are in conflict with certain German gun laws.
Hence, a couple of the rules in the SASS Shooters Handbook had to be "modified" or "Germanized" if you wish to meet the German law's requirements. If they would not have been "altered", "CAS" would be no legal shooting activity in Germany.
Don't ask about logic when it comes to laws.
MIP is the power factor, i.e. minimal impulse your ammo has do deliver in an official match.
The formula: bullet weight (gr) multiplied by muzzle velocitiy (fps) divided by 1000.
If memory serves the SASS Shooters Handbook requires a MIP of 60 only.
Long Johns Wolf