blue dot powder/ 44/40 ????

[Slamfire]

 Rifle= Rossi 92 { older model} 
 Bullet=.205 lfp   
 Bore= .427                I have a friend who has some older blue dot,, say' we need to shoot it up,,,,Need loading data if any out there or
 Cal. 44/40                 
 if anyone has used this powder for " RIFLE ONLY"  , I'm shooting ww231 ,,,but ,well ya'll know free powder if it will work,,,.

  thanks ,, Hootmix.

[Ranch 13]

Have you checked Alliant's web data, they did list bludot for the 44,and 38wcf , and the 45 colt. Might be worth a phone call to them if it's not listed online. It does work good in the 38wcf and the 45 colt.

[Slamfire]

 Hey,,13,,found some info.,posted back in oct-31-2013 by w44wcf,,from a 1995 Hercules Reloaders Guide.

  This load is for 200gr. jsp,,,,,I shoot 205gr. cast,,,I'll drop 10 percent nd start from there,,,any pros. or cons.,,are more than welcome






  Thanks ,Hootmix.

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[wildman1]

Doesn't hurt to email the powder company. I emailed Hodgden concerning a Hodgden powder and an IMR powder with the same # and was told to start with the minimum load and work up. The Hodgden powder had loads listed for that cartridge and the IMR did not. They were side by side on the burn chart. wM1

[Slamfire]

 Thank'S WILDMAN,, I'll give it ago.








 Hootmix.

[Slamfire]

Hey,,13,,& Wildman,,Called Alliant spoke to a rep. said "NO LOAD DATA" for 38/40 or 44/40 using blue dot. Howeever it can be used in mag. loads,,,( he uses lyman's #4 loading manuel )  It does not show loads for CAST BULLETS, for 38/40 or 44/40, the rep.,didnot know how Hercules did there testing back in 1995,,,soooooo,no free powder.

  Thanks for the help.





  Hoomix.

[Ranch 13]

Interesting, because I've been using Alliant's bludot data in the 38-40 for years. Their recommended charge was the same for the 38-40.44-40 and the 45 colt..

[Slamfire]

 13,,are you shoot'n cast or jsp??? I be interested in your loads . We can e- mail or phone call ,,if you don't want to post here ,,and "YES" I EXCEPT ALL DIS CLAMIERS .

( Funny what we'll do for something we think's free )





  Hootmix.  ( name comes from Hoot Gibson & Tom Mix ,,cowboy's from yesteryear )

[Ranch 13]

Shooting all cast. And No I won''t exchange data with you either here or off line. The bludot, data is out there. Not sure why who ever you talked to at Alliant said otherwise. It was their online data that got me started on the stuff in the first place.

[Delmonico]

There was discussion years ago about Blue Dot being a bit more temperature sensitive than some of the other powders, we found out in the late 70's it made a great 12 gauge 1 3/8 oz we used for pheasants as long as the temps stayed above 0, but lost power bad around -10.   

Also it seems it was used some in the 80's in 38 Super for IPSC and gave problems in hot weather with max loads.   This is all from memory, but it could be why Alliant has less loads worked up for it than Hercules did.   

[Ranch 13]

It has just been apparently within the last few months they dropped the bd data for thee wcf's. It was the same charge wt. as for the 45 colt, but I don't know if that's still on there or not. Got started with it a few years ago, and really like it.

[Delmonico]

Interesting.  As data testing methods get better I wonder what they found out about it they didn't like.   I used to use a lot of it in 12 and 28 and liked it, except the cold weather problems we had and that was just 12 gauge.  Wasn't the cases I have always used once fired cases for hunting loads and the were Win AA cases using everything as Hercules had it.  A friend loved it for turkey and it worked great in that roll in the warmer weather.

[Delmonico]

I just checked and that load is gone also.

[Ranch 13]

The 45 colt load is still listed under the regular handgun data , 250 gr lead bullet.

[Delmonico]

The 45 colt load is still listed under the regular handgun data , 250 gr lead bullet.

I noticed that.  It makes good 3/4 oz 28 loads, just that 1 3/8 12 gouge did not like the cold, we switched to a similar one with HS& and never had any more problems and the 28's never caused problems.  The 12 gauge one caused problems in two different guns but only below 0.

[Ranch 13]

  That's the good part of being a bit long in the tooth, a feller finally figures out when it's to stinking cold to be out hunting anyway.

[Delmonico]

That's the good part of being a bit long in the tooth, a feller finally figures out when it's to stinking cold to be out hunting anyway.

I was a lot younger and dumber back them, been over 35 years.

[Ranch 13]

Sort of miss those days at times.

[Delmonico]

Yeah, in 81 I may have killed the last pheasant killed in Nebraska that season, was right at sundown last day, was about -20 and we hadn't seen anyone else out that day.  Came up out of a snowdrift on the way back to the truck, he was full of green grass, he was hiding in a pocket with a warm spring and eating grass.  Someone else had got his tail feathers but missed the body.   

[Slamfire]

 13,,you'll do,,,i trust honesty ,,thank you. Not sure ( really I just don't remember the feller's name ) who I talked to,,but the jest of his comments were that 38/40 & 44/40's being old bp cartridges  and they couldn't take the high pressures like the magnum load's ( no need to say I wasn't trying to load up to mag.,loads ) ,,at that point I sort of just agreed and stop listing,,thanked him for his help.

  The quest ,,,for knowledge  go's on.
  Thanks for all replys.


  Hootmix.