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« on: September 07, 2015, 04:33:23 pm »


Ok thought I would share photos of some more pieces of history currently in my care since I'm in a photo taking mode today.  Hope you don't mind.

US Military Smokeless Bolt Action
09/07/2015

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•   Springfield model 1892, made 1894, .30 Army (30-40 Krag) Full length Ramrod
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•   Winchester 1895 Lee Navy, made 1897, 6 mm



•   Springfield model 1896 carbine, made 1897, .30 Army (30-40 Krag)
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•   Springfield model 1898, made 1902, .30 Army (30-40 Krag)

World War 1 and World War 2
 






•   Springfield model 1903, made 1924 re-barreled 1944, .30-06
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•   Eddystone US model 1917, made 1918, .30-06



•   Ross model 1905 MK II (Canadian), made 1908, .303, US Surcharged (Training)
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•   Remington 1891 Mosin-Nagant, made 1917, 7.62x54 R, US Surcharged (Training)
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•   Remington Berthier Model 1907-15, made 1917, 8x50 R, model rifle (not Remington) used by Black US Troops assigned to and fought with French 4th Army “Colonial Troops” during WWI



•   Springfield model 1903 Gallery Practice, made 1905 re-barreled 1924, .22 short with Hoffer-Thompson cartridge holders (2 shown in photo) would load from stripper clip
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•   Springfield model 1922 M2, made 1922 upgraded to M2 1937, .22 LR 5-shot magazine (Practice Rifle replacement for 1903 Gallery Rifle)



•   Parris Dunn 1903, non-firing Training Arm (with functioning fake bolt) WW2 Navy
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•   Remington model 1903-A3, made 1942 re-barreled 1944, .30-06
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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2015, 09:17:40 am »





   That is a wonderful group of guns!

  What type of ammo do you use for the Berthier and the M1895 Navy?



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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2015, 09:23:36 pm »



   That is a wonderful group of guns!

  What type of ammo do you use for the Berthier and the M1895 Navy?


Thanks Charles
I've got one period military dummy 6mm round for the 1895 Navy and I'm working on getting three dummy rounds for the Berthier. Had not really planned on shooting these two rifles.
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2015, 05:01:54 am »

just one word comes to mind...

DAMMMMMMMMMMMM !
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2015, 01:03:03 pm »



 I could buy a batch of rifles like that........after selling my house I suppose-Phew! Cheesy


Thanks Charles
I've got one period military dummy 6mm round for the 1895 Navy and I'm working on getting three dummy rounds for the Berthier. Had not really planned on shooting these two rifles.


  Oh I would be a tortured soul! Well, not the Berthier so much, but I have always wanted to try a Lee Navy!!! Someone custom loads the ammo for about $3.00 a shot, but I do know of a couple that came apart firing the victims handloads. I'm almost sure it was ammo related.






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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2015, 07:24:38 am »


 


  Oh I would be a tortured soul! Well, not the Berthier so much, but I have always wanted to try a Lee Navy!!! Someone custom loads the ammo for about $3.00 a shot, but I do know of a couple that came apart firing the victims handloads. I'm almost sure it was ammo related.








I feel the same, Charles I've only got a very few in my collection accumulation of guns I haven't shot, and most of them I will shoot someday, when I can overcome ammo or repair problems. Seems like time and money both interfere with things like that!

A Lee navy is on my wish list, but probably not going to happen, already got a Berthier(or 2) but they're somewhat more "experienced" looking than Cowtown Scout's Remington, While they're not exactly a "Swiss Watch", it is an accurate and fairly rugged rifle. I think the only flaw the French found was that the stocks weren't strong enough for grenade launching, so Lebels had to continue in that role until the Mas36 rifles came along.
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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2015, 08:06:23 pm »




   That's pretty interesting info about the grenade launching problem with the Berthiers-I didn't know about it.

    I was watching a show about the French Navy during WWII and I am certain the Sailors were in formation with full length Berthiers that had the turned down long bolt handle and protruding magazine like an Mle16. Did such a model exist?
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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2015, 09:40:50 pm »

I don't know if there was an official model like that-there was the "Indochine" model (I forget the year) that had a barrel longer than the carbine, but shorter than the full rifle, I believe it had a turned down bolt. The Lebel was considered too big for the Vietnamese troops, so they just lengthened the carbine. But there were not large numbers of them made.

The experts on the French rifles hang out on Gunboards; Kelt, 1886Lebel, and some others could tell if there was a Navy version with a turned down bolt. The thing about the French rifles is, they have been re-built and re-rebuilt so many times, especially during WWI, that you just have to determine what model it is from what configuration it is in now. So you can find Mle-16 marked receivers with three shot magazines, 1892 receivers or 07/15 receivers in Mle-16 configuration, etc etc etc. When they started with a pile of broken rifles, they put together whatever it took to make a functional weapon.
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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2015, 04:04:20 pm »

What are the top and 2nd rifles on the Spanish American War top picture?
I don't recognize them so obviously there was something wrong with my upbringing
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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2015, 08:05:52 pm »

What are the top and 2nd rifles on the Spanish American War top picture?
I don't recognize them so obviously there was something wrong with my upbringing

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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2015, 06:19:41 pm »

You have the most fantastic toys, I am soooooo green
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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2016, 10:06:47 am »

Added the following Smokeless Bolt Actions to those currently in my care:



•   Springfield model 1896, made 1897, .30 Army (30-40 Krag)

The 1896 rifle came with a model 1898 rear sight that had been modified to a model 1902 rear sight.  My 1898 rifle had a model 1896 rear site, so I traded sights on the rifles since the 1896 rifle was made in 1897 and the 1898 rifle was made in 1901.  The top rifle with the leather sling is the 1896 and the bottom rifle with the web sling is the 1898.



The top sight is the 1902 and the bottom sight is the 1896.



This is the 1896 in the raised position



This is the 1902 in the raised position





•   Springfield model 1899 Carbine, made 1901, .30 Army (30-40 Krag)





This one has the 1901 sight and the humped forearm for protection of the sight when inserting into the scabbard.
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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2017, 01:59:32 pm »

Added some more Smokeless Bolt Action Arms since my last update as well as some non-functional training arms and some slide action trench guns:

•   Springfield model 1898 Krag Gallery Rifle, circa 1906-1907, .22 LR cal., bolt action




















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•   Springfield 1903 Tribute WWI Sniper with 1913 Warner & Swasey 5.2x musket sight,  made 1912 (barrel 1915), 30-06 cal., bolt action














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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2017, 02:02:02 pm »

•   Springfield 1903A1 Tribute USMC 1941 Sniper with replica USMC Unertl 8x scope,  made 1939 (barrel 1938), 30-06 cal., bolt action










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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2017, 02:03:40 pm »

•   Remington 1903A4 Sniper with Weaver 330C 2.75x scope,  made 1944, 30-06 cal., bolt action


























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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2017, 02:05:45 pm »

•   US Training Rifle Co. of Philadelphia 1903, US Navy WWI Contract,  made 1917, Dummy non-firing, bolt action
 






•   Springfield model 1912 Fencing Musket, Cut down Trapdoor to equal 1903 in length and weight, with Type IV fencing bayonet, circa 1912-1914












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•   Wooden Rifle Bayonet Training, circa 1914-1916, ball on end is missing












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•   Winchester Model 1897 Trench Gun, made 1919 WWI refurbished to WWII configuration at San Antonio Arsenal, 12 gauge




















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•   Winchester Model 12 Trench Gun, made 1943 refurbished at Tooele Ordinance Depot, 12 gauge


























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« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2017, 11:57:11 am »

Photos fixed so they show again.  I have some more to add eventually.
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