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« on: August 01, 2015, 05:34:01 pm »


I know they are way before our time period but thought some of you might enjoy this.  A couple weeks ago I had my second display of part of my US Long Arms Collection done for Boy Scouts.  Had 14 original flintlocks that span from the French & Indian War to the last Springfield Model 1840.  

Military Flintlock Long Arms Presentation
07/13/2015

European Armies: 1660 1840 (180 years)
Flintlock smooth bore muskets
1841 2015 (174 years)





French & Indian War (American Colonies): 1756 1763 (7 years)
Seven Years War (Europe, Britain and France)

(Started with Washington attacking French in 1754 and losing)

   Dutch Type IIB, circa 1750, .75 cal. FL
(British purchase sent to Colonies)
   British Trade Gun (fowler), circa 1750 1760, .75 cal. FL




American Revolutionary War: 1775 1782 (8 years)
1776 Declaration of Independence
1782 Peace Treaty signed, ratified 1783
4 years later 1787 US Constitution signed, ratified 1788


   American Assembled Fowler, circa 1720 1740, .75 cal. FL
(Used French parts)
   British Shortland Pattern (Brown Bess) model 1768, .75 cal. FL
(American restocked and US Surcharged)




 
   French Charleville model 1763, .69 cal. FL
(American restocked)







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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2015, 05:59:20 pm »

1777 Springfield Depot established by George Washington
1782 1842 powder magazine
1794 Congress establishes Springfield National Armory (closed in 1968)

(1795 first production of Charleville Pattern Musket (model 1795) patterned after French Charleville musket model 1768)

1796 Harpers Ferry National Armory established, built 1799 1801
(closed in 1861 during Civil War)

(1802 first production of Charleville Pattern Musket, model 1795)

   HF model 1795 type II, dated 1809, .69 cal. FL
   SF model 1795 type III, dated 1812 Lock/1813 Butt, .69 cal. FL




War of 1812: 1812 1815 (3 years)
(The Star Spangled Banner written as poem in 1812 during battle)

   HF model 1803 Rifle, dated 1819, .54 cal. FL





   SF model 1812, dated 1817, .69 cal. FL
   HF Std. model 1815, dated 1816, .69 cal. FL


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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2015, 06:01:11 pm »

Between War of 1812 and Mexican American War: 1816-1845 (29 years)

   HF model 1816, dated 1820, .69 cal. FL





   HF/Hall model 1819 Rifle, dated 1831, .52 cal. FL, breach loading rifle
(Breach loading Patten 1811, wait until after War of 1812, military contract 1819, took 5 years to make the tooling and machines for interchangeable parts, 1824 first rifle produced)
   SF model 1822/28, dated 1833 Lock/1829 Barrel, .69 cal. FL





   SF model 1840, dated 1842 Lock/1843 Barrel, .69 cal. FL
(Last model of Flint Locks manufactured in National Armories,
Model 1842 was Percussion Lock)



 
Republic of Texas: 1836 1845 (9 years)

1846 Texas Statehood


War with Mexico (Mexican American War): 1846 1848 (2 years)
(Direct result of annexing Texas as a US State - The peace treaty with Mexico set the southern border of the United States (and Texas) at the Rio Grande River.  The US also received what is now California, Nevada, Utah, and parts of Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, and Wyoming.)

1849 Fort Worth Established
(Major Arnold and 2nd Dragoons, 1 of 7 posts in Texas)
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2015, 06:27:59 pm »

Thanks for the look at all of those old flintlocks. They have some history in them .,,,,DT
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2015, 08:50:12 pm »

VERY cool, Scout!  Jerry and I do something similar (but probably not as well!) at Fort Hartsuff.  We go Civil War to now.  People seem to like it.
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2015, 07:03:12 am »

Beautiful collection, Scout. Reminds me of growing up being taught how to shoot a flintlock by my great grandfather, great uncle and uncle on an original 1795 Springfield. I'll have to track down my cousins and see who has it now and get some pictures. Ahh, memories of smoke from 50 years ago. Grin
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2015, 08:13:47 am »



  What a wonderful store of arms you have there-great shape and unfooled with! I bet they are a lot of fun! I have much lesser condition muskets-a Model 1812 Whitney and an 1816 Springfield that I need to finish restoring. I don't trust the barrels on them so I'll install  new ones from the Rifle Shoppe here sometime.


................................being taught how to shoot a flintlock by my great grandfather, great uncle and uncle on an original 1795 Springfield.

 Good stuff! The first Springfield! You just got a tremendous amount of cool points!!!


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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2015, 01:25:43 pm »


  What a wonderful store of arms you have there-great shape and unfooled with! I bet they are a lot of fun! I have much lesser condition muskets-a Model 1812 Whitney and an 1816 Springfield that I need to finish restoring. I don't trust the barrels on them so I'll install  new ones from the Rifle Shoppe here sometime.


 Good stuff! The first Springfield! You just got a tremendous amount of cool points!!!



I'm kind of in the same boat, Charles, I have an 1842, but A: Don't really trust the barrel and B; the nipple is pretty bad, and the shoulders on it are somewhat rounded already. I know they sell replacement barrels for the re-productions, but I have also read that, at least with the .58 muskets, the outside diameters of the new barrels don't match the old. I expect the same situation with the .69.
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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2015, 02:51:50 pm »



....................................... the outside diameters of the new barrels don't match the old. I expect the same situation with the .69.

Ha Ha! We'll make 'em fit Pony!





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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2015, 05:59:32 pm »

Well, while I might try to polsh a new barrel down to match the old stock- there's no way I'm gonna re-bed the almost 170 year old stock for the new barrel!
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2015, 09:28:22 pm »



I've heard that in the hands of the troops that used muskets back in the day, flintlocks are actually a bit faster to load than a percussion gun. British troops were trained to shoot 5-6 rounds per minute out of a "Brown Bess"!

Well, while I might try to polsh a new barrel down to match the old stock- there's no way I'm gonna re-bed the almost 170 year old stock for the new barrel!

I don't blame ya! And I'd like a '42 for myself.

I bet you knew that the US Marines under Lt Israel Greene and Col Robert E. Lee that stormed Harpers Ferry Armory and Captured John Brown were armed with '42s.




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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2015, 10:24:51 pm »

Didn't know that-but do now.
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2015, 03:26:48 pm »

Mmmmm put an Army Colonel in charge of a small Marine detachment. There must have been a shortage of Marine Captains

As an aside am toying with the idea of getting two 1795 springfield repros to make life size crossed rifles
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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2015, 04:03:23 pm »


I've heard that in the hands of the troops that used muskets back in the day, flintlocks are actually a bit faster to load than a percussion gun. British troops were trained to shoot 5-6 rounds per minute out of a "Brown Bess"!

I don't blame ya! And I'd like a '42 for myself.

I bet you knew that the US Marines under Lt Israel Greene and Col Robert E. Lee that stormed Harpers Ferry Armory and Captured John Brown were armed with '42s.

Colonel Lee's volunteer Adjutant was Lieutenant J.E.B. Stuart.  Small world!



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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2015, 08:42:29 am »







Mmmmm put an Army Colonel in charge of a small Marine detachment. There must have been a shortage of Marine Captains





   Well, remember, this was a very high profile operation with many known and unknown repercussions. Many people at that time knew the US was on the road to a Civil War.






Colonel Lee's volunteer Adjutant was Lieutenant J.E.B. Stuart.  Small world!






   Well, they achieved much status at Harpers Ferry. After that, they could say they were once in charge of couple of squads of Marines!  Cheesy





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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2016, 09:57:16 am »

Added the following Flintlock Arm to those currently in my care:

   SF model 1795 type I, undated (this type made from 1799 1805), .69 cal.








This completes the front part of my collection with Flintlocks except for a Springfield model 1822 (1816 type II) dated from 1823 1829, browned finish
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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2017, 03:27:03 pm »

Just a bump for those that may have not seen this before.
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« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2017, 05:53:24 pm »

Thanks for the bump as I had not seen this thread before.  I do have a flintlock.  It is one from the Nepal Cache.  The lock and barrel are in decent shape and may be shootable.  However, the stock was in such bad shape that if you looked at it to hartd a piece would fall off.  I was able to get a repro stock from IMA with the metal bits attached.  All I have to do now is take care of the lock and barrel and it should look fairly decent.
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« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2017, 12:33:24 pm »

Photos fixed so they show now.
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