Well I managed to get some time and tried mine out at 100 yards on a steel echo target. Took a couple of cylinder fulls to figure out where I was hitting, my berm is covered with grass so no noticeable dust kicking up, especially through the cloud of smoke. Once I figured out the hold, I could pretty much ring it all day long. Thing that got me was both were shooting about 2' to the right, and about 6" high. Normally this load shoots about 8" high at 15-20 yards. Load was 50 grains 2F Graf's with Lee conical 200 grainer. The sights really suck for distance work, but as long as I did my part I could hold a rough 10" group. With good sights, and maybe younger eyes I have no doubt the pistols can do better. No idea why there both shooting off to the right though. Will have to take my Dragoons out and see if it holds true for them as well.