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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #150 on: May 17, 2018, 09:28:06 pm »
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I went to the range today and shot my 5744 210 grain loads.  I got a LOT of Keyholes from 80% to 100% of max loads.  I have cleaned the barrel out a lot better than my original trys.  The barrel appears to be decently clean.  The barrel and the bullets are the same size (I'll check again tomorrow).  Is it LIKELY that buyng a larget diameter bullet would help this?

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The first lead bullets I tried in my Krag were not gas checked and they all keyholed. It was suggested that the .30 cal lead bullets would do better with gas checks. So I tried some with gas checks and no more keyhole shots. I've been using 200 grain lead with gas checks in my Krags and they have worked great. Use the same bullets in my 1903s and they work great there also.
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #151 on: May 21, 2018, 01:12:55 pm »
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Unfortunately, that's the same bullets I've been using.  I have a sort of decent load, but will probably miss on the tactical parts of the match.  I stlll have to work a load on the jacketed stuff.

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #152 on: May 21, 2018, 04:05:38 pm »
Are you loading the lead bullets for the skirmish portions of the Muster?  If so, around 13 grains of Trail Boss under a 200-220 grain gas checked bullet should work just fine.  I personally use the Lyman 220 grain bullet.  I would use jacketed bullets for the long range portion of the Muster, loaded to 2000 fps.  That load should match the sight settings.
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #153 on: May 21, 2018, 05:54:11 pm »
For long range, either the jacketed 220 grain RN Sierra or Hornady, loaded over 40 grains IMR 4350, will shoot to the sights.

For skirmish rounds, fill the case 70% with Trail Boss, under a 180-220 lead bullet, and set the sights to 4.  The bullet should be .001-.003 oversize.  I use a .311 sizer on mine.

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #154 on: May 21, 2018, 06:56:12 pm »
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Interesting, I tried the Trail  Boss and got crummy groups, but fewer keyholes.  I used 5744, I'll update with the load data in a while.  I found the Trail boss really annoying to load, Oklahoma has wind, even inside and them damn donuts went everywhere.

My 5744 were from 22.7 grains to 27.7 grains of powder using Hornady brass and WLR primers.  The minimum load is 18 grains.

The 26.6 grain loads made what I'm pretty sure was a one inch 4 shot group at 50 yards with a keyholed flyer a foot or so away.

Not sure what to think.  I cleaned the heck out of the Krag before I shot the 5744, but it was dirtier when I shot the Trail Boss.

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #155 on: May 21, 2018, 07:09:19 pm »
I tried TB and went through a rcbs green powder hopper so fast during my load development that I loaded a few without any powder. But loading a few and then shooting a few I discovered my opps. Luckily I didn't stick any bullets in the bbl.  I'd never gone through a hopper of anything that fast. It IS bulky. 
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #156 on: May 21, 2018, 07:12:38 pm »
I  have found, unless you have a tight perfect bore, with a perfect crown, that you will need gas checks to get decent groups.  My 1895 Winchester musket has such a barrel, and shoots great without the checks. (that rifle was a dumb luck acquisition all around)  All my Krags need gas checks.  With the checks however, they will make nice tight little groups.
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #157 on: May 21, 2018, 08:30:07 pm »
I decided years ago to use gas checks on all my rifle bullets.  For whatever reason, I could never get plain bases to shoot well.  Just seemed easier to use the checks, as it simplified everything.
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #158 on: May 26, 2018, 05:32:31 pm »
I use 11 grains AA2 in my Krag and 03 behind 200 or 210 grain gas checks.
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #159 on: May 26, 2018, 06:10:11 pm »
My krag carbine shots about three inches to the right. Any ideas of how to correct?

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #160 on: May 26, 2018, 06:26:42 pm »
What sights do you have?
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #161 on: May 26, 2018, 08:58:04 pm »
I have gotten good accuracy with my Krag with or without the gas checks, with Trailboss loads, or equivalent loads with Unique, Green Dot, etc. As long as the bullets are sized .310, or else unsized and lubed with Lee Liquid Alox, they work fine.

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #162 on: May 27, 2018, 02:56:33 am »
.311  190gr. GC's  and Trailboss...here ...

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #163 on: May 28, 2018, 01:00:44 pm »
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I just ordered some Hunter's Supply 193 grain w/o checks in .311.  I think I should shove one down the barrel to check width again and see if it goes or not.  The .31 caliber round balls went through pretty easy. I have guess checks, but have never put then on before.

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #164 on: June 04, 2018, 10:30:34 am »
Hi again

I noticed something new and annoying last night.  When I put the .31 caliber ball down the barrel, it was difficult for say 5-7 inches and then dropped out.  Apparently I have a squeeze barrel of some sort.  I'm thinking I need to go ahead and call the gunsmith and the CMP for a barrel.

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #165 on: June 04, 2018, 06:59:43 pm »
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #166 on: June 04, 2018, 09:19:34 pm »
Yep, will call the Gunsmith at Jones tomorrow.  I may try and shoot it at the match and see what happens, but I may just load up .45/70 for the Cavalry Sharps and go with Smokeless.  I haven't had time to do the whole black powder thing yet.  I'm a bit hesitant and was going to wait until after muster, but ....

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #167 on: June 12, 2018, 10:56:35 pm »
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I've got a bunch of .45-70 loaded up for the Cavalry Sharps.  When I get back to Oklahoma, I'll see about getting the Krag fixed / re-barreled. My local guy doesn't want to do the Krag.  He does mainly Single Shots, 1885 Winchesters and Sharps.  He suggested a company named Shaw.  Has anybody used them?  I'm considering using the CMP to do this also.  Has anybody had the CMP work on a Krag?

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #168 on: June 13, 2018, 10:06:13 am »
CMP is way behind, and I've heard of some problems.  (guy I know out in Colorado sent one in to be blued and mounted, it came back some time later mounted but still in the white)  The guy who put together mine did a fine job at a good price, I can get his address if you want it.
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #169 on: June 13, 2018, 10:15:36 am »
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Yep, it's worth a try. 

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #170 on: August 22, 2018, 07:25:45 pm »
https://estore.thecmp.org/?cat=BAR


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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #171 on: November 17, 2018, 06:27:06 pm »
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I called and talked to Murray in Missouri.  He said he has 3 Krags to do after hunting season.  I have the barrel from the CMP and sights from S&S Firearms for my shot out Carbine.  I also have an 1898 Rifle now.  It has 1902 sights and is missing two of the three sling mountings.  I'll order them later tonight. 

What is the best sling to buy for a Krag Rifle?

The rifle shoots pretty good for a 120 year old rifle.  A friend put two in the 10 ring at 75 yards off the bench.  I hit the paper both shots offhand from 75 yards, so I'm happy.  Packing for TGiving or I'd put in some pictures.

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #172 on: November 17, 2018, 07:50:03 pm »
WPG has both the M1887 leather sling, and the M1899  Mills Web sling.  Have both, like 'em both.  (Use da link!)

The 1887 is only on their ebay site for now.

The web sling was mostly found in the phillipines.
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #173 on: December 15, 2018, 07:59:49 pm »
WPG has both the M1887 leather sling, and the M1899  Mills Web sling.  Have both, like 'em both.  (Use da link!)

The 1887 is only on their ebay site for now.

The web sling was mostly found in the phillipines.

I just received both, and a Cavalry .45/70 Belt from Jerry.  The 1887 sling seems a bit thin, but then it cost a lot less than the other one mentioned.  Should I put anything on it?

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #174 on: December 17, 2018, 08:31:47 am »
Original Slings were pretty thin.
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