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« on: February 16, 2015, 11:12:27 pm »


 A repost for new folks.

Got a Trapdoor or a Krag, and want a uniform to go with it?  The 1884 Brown Canvas Fatigue uniform is an easy way to get into the ranks, and comfortable enough, even in hot weather, that I use it out on the farm for brush busting and armidillo hunting.

http://www.history.army.mil/html/museums/uniforms/survey_uwa.pdf   Page 35

Introduced in 1884 as a barracks duty/stable cleaning outfit, it was soon found so comfortable, particularly in the southwest, that troops wore it in the field, in essence becoming the first really practical battle utility uniform.  Officers quickly adapted it for their own use.  Highly popular both in Cuba and the Phillipines, though not often seen in pictures, as troops preferred to be illustrated in their more traditional "Blues".  This uniform was standard issue to all enlisted ranks from 1885 to 1911.  (Officers bought them from    the post Quartermaster)  Trapdoors to 03s were carried by folks dressed in these.

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Shirt: M1883 pull over flannel   http://www.riverjunction.com/Shirt--Indian-Wars-Military-Shirt--Cotton-Flannel--Heirloom-Brand--Navy-Blue_p_42.html     THis is a cotton flannel, River Junction also markets a wool flannel at a third more.  The wool is also a high quality shirt, and comfortable, but I'm cheap.  I have seen both 3 and 4 button plackets in various pictures, depending on the contractor. 1899 and later troopers began sewing rank on the sleeves, and officers began pinning rank devices to the collar.  Don't do it if you're carrying a trapdoor!

Trousers:  1884 Cotton Duck   http://www.riverjunction.com/Trousers--Suspender-Pants-Gold-Rush-Jeans--Heirloom-Brand_p_81.html    As accurate as any custom pants I've seen.  If you want to get fancy you can sew on some seam stripes.  

Hat:  1883 drab, Bracher/star/snowflake vent   http://www.riverjunction.com/Wadell-Hat-Campaign-hat--Wool_p_109.html     Down at the bottom you can  pick the vent you want.

Shoes.  Black, leather, lace up.  Ankle high.  You've got black shoes with laces, you're fine.

Thats the basic field uniform.  You want to get fancier?

Tunic: http://www.quartermastershop.com/1872_and_on_us_enlisted/m-1884_enl_canvas_bls.html#.UfxO_tJaySo    The best, worth the money.  Sew on some stripes if you want to be a noncom.  Pin on some shoulder straps if your one of them occifers.  This is a field uniform,  save all the braid and facings for the ballroom.

Leggings:  These are nice to have, keeps out the dust and bugs.   http://www.whatpriceglory.com/shopexd.asp?id=5119&bc=no     THe only difference between these and the ones adopted in the late 1880s is that the older pattern used a leather strap.  Some cut off the web strap and rivet on a leather one.  But I'm not gonna look under your shoes to check.

Some of this stuff can be found on other sites.  Wild West Mercantile has brown duck clothing, prices vary.  I've picked up two pairs of Trousers off trade tables at various shoots, 20 bucks.  Any old brown cowboy hat of moderate brim and crown works fine.  Leggings can be found at Army suplus stores for a few dollars, though you will look long for ones big enough for modern legs.  You might have a long sleeve blue pullover hanging in a closet somewhere, and Carhart makes a lot of brown canvas jackets and pants that can be adapted.  I've seen a lot of those in 2nd hand stores.
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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2015, 02:29:12 pm »

Here's another source for high quality reproductions:

http://www.quartermasterdepot.com/spanish-american-war-c-6.html?zenid=8fc6b491c7556204b40d1d29694add41
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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2015, 08:33:31 pm »

Trapdoor. Check
Tan duck pants. Check
Dark brown hat. How does one lighten dark brown to tan?
Faded OD leggings. They were my grandfather's from WWII.
I don't think my black wing-tips will work.  Sad Have to see what Goodwill has for shoes.

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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2015, 08:41:10 pm »

Just say its dirty, Slim, we'll believe you.  Pass the Apple pie.

Just a note CPL:  You do not have to have a uniform to shoot the main match.  (Just don't show up in a ball cap and sneakers!)  If you need the money for the rifle, get the rifle first.  Clothes are easy to do anytime, especially this uniform. 

Let us know how it goes.  Sporterized Krags are often lower priced, and can be remilitarized to Carbine spec fairly easily.
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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2015, 10:37:46 pm »

Black Stacy Adams Madison high top shoes/boots. 

http://www.riverjunction.com/Boots--Mens-Hi-Top-Dress-Shoe--Leather_p_98.html

You can find them new from several sources or haunt e-bay

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=stacy+adams+madison&_sop=15&_from=R40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xstacy+adams+black+madison.TRS1&_nkw=stacy+adams+black+madison&_sacat=0
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2015, 05:55:41 am »

Mine came off e-bay. I think I gave less then $25
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2015, 07:31:03 am »

I've gotten two pairs from e-Bay.  I don't think I paid over twenty bucks for either pair.  I keep hoping for a brown pair.
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2015, 01:42:01 pm »

Add What Price Glory as a source for the M-1883 Shirt.

http://onlinemilitaria.net/products/5787-US-Model-1883-Blue-Wool-Campaign-Shirt/
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2015, 05:40:19 pm »

What do you think of the River Junction trading co shirts?  Specifically http://www.riverjunction.com/Shirt--Indian-Wars-Military--Wool--Heirloom-Brand--Navy-Blue_p_43.html

I have also purchased their cotton twill rough rider shirt.
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2015, 05:44:37 pm »

I have always been very impressed with River Junction's quality.  I've got stuff I bought from them twenty-five or thirty years ago, and it still looks great.  Everything seems to fit just a bit tighter now, but I don't think I can blame River Junction for that!
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2015, 05:50:06 pm »

I have one, it is excellent.
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2015, 06:35:27 pm »

Gen'l after 25 or 30 years most shirts have a tendency to shrink. All of mine have.  I would blame the shirt but not necessarily RJTC.
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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2015, 10:17:49 pm »

I have one too, no complaints.
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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2015, 06:12:30 am »

I haven't handled and original so I can't speak to historical accuracy, but I will say that the quality of materials and workmanship is way above average.

Oh and all my uniforms seem to have shrunk dramatically in the closet the last few years.  Tongue
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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2015, 08:15:17 am »

Trapdoor. Check
Tan duck pants. Check
Dark brown hat. How does one lighten dark brown to tan?
Faded OD leggings. They were my grandfather's from WWII.
I don't think my black wing-tips will work.  Sad Have to see what Goodwill has for shoes.

Slim

Now that I have a Krag coming, I need to work more on the uniform.  Wink

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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2015, 08:55:42 am »

Now that I have a Krag coming, I need to work more on the uniform.  Wink

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Check e-Bay for Stacy Adams plain black high top shoes with the cap toes.  They usually go pretty reasonably used. You can generally find khaki leggings pretty cheap, too.  You can still find the white Navy version new, unused shape and dye them.
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2015, 08:09:55 pm »

I have a pair of Stacy Adams coming from Evansville, IN for $45 including shipping. I could have bought a pair for $20 but they were in rough shape.

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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2015, 09:26:51 pm »

Hat:  1883 drab, Bracher/star/snowflake vent   http://www.riverjunction.com/Wadell-Hat-Campaign-hat--Wool_p_109.html     Down at the bottom you can  pick the vent you want.
What color is drab?

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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2015, 09:39:08 pm »

The tan, or light brown.
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2015, 09:57:13 pm »

The tan, or light brown.
Thanks. I'm looking on ebay right now. My silverbelly fur felt Montana peak has a crack in the crown from handling, so I was thinking about a replacement anyway.  Wink

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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2015, 06:12:31 am »

Thanks. I'm looking on ebay right now. My silverbelly fur felt Montana peak has a crack in the crown from handling, so I was thinking about a replacement anyway.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Indian-Wars-or-Spanish-American-War-or-Confederate-Cavalry-Campaign-Hat-7-3-8-/281710293031?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41973df027

http://www.riverjunction.com/Mens-Hat--Wadell-Hat-Body-Wool-Felt--5-12-crown-3-14-brim-with-stitching-around-brim_p_109.html
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« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2015, 09:08:50 pm »

On the topic of boots, could I substitute brown for black? I need a good pair of boots for my wedding, and if I can kill two birds with one stone...
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« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2015, 08:21:38 am »

Dark brown would be fine to shoot in.  But really, I'd get a nice pair of brown ones, then find some black shoes at a thrift store, or ebay.  You want something that can get scuffed and beat up.  I use an old set of USN Boondockers I picked up for $20, with gel insoles.

I suspect you're thinking of stovepipe/cowboy boots.  But by this time the Army had pretty much quit issuing those, finding ankle boots/shoes and Leggings cheaper/more comfortable/easier to maintain.  You may already have a set of black leather shoes in your closet that would work just fine.

Just an example:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnston-Murphy-XC4-Ashmont-Black-Leather-Ankle-Boot-Mens-11-M-20-6295-165-/151732138388?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2353f0b194
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« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2015, 09:30:49 am »

Actually, I was thinking those River Junction boots that got posted earlier. But the eBay route looks like it'll be a good one. Thanks for the idea!
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« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2015, 04:27:35 pm »

The problem w/ this is the fact that the Fatigue Uniform was Worn of the Top of ones Regulation Uniform of the Day while performing Fatigue Duty, for Enlisted Personnel, so that one would not get ones Uniform Dirty.
So one Can Not wear the Fatigue Uniform unless it is Worn over one Regulation Uniform while one is performing Fatigue Duty. For Cavalry Troopers, that would be Mucking Out Stalls, Grooming Horses, Cleaning Horse Furniture, etc., which means one would Not be Under Arms.
The shops that have this particular Uniform For sale have Not bothered to read Uniform Regulation Manual. So are Selling this Uniform as something it was never meant to be worn as. They are only in it to make money & do not care one wot for the Historical aspect that is was actually meant to be used for.
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