Author Topic: Chuck Wagon Question (Read 60954 times)

River City John · « **Reply #20 on:** January 31, 2015, 10:49:51 AM »

Delmonico,
when does the book you've written on 19th Century Cosie Cooking go to press?

It should be about ready.

RCJ

Delmonico · « **Reply #21 on:** January 31, 2015, 11:15:34 AM »

Quote from: River City John on January 31, 2015, 10:49:51 AM

Delmonico,
when does the book you've written on 19th Century Cosie Cooking go to press?

It should be about ready.

RCJ

Plan is by next Christmas, I need some more pictures also.

Delmonico · « **Reply #22 on:** January 31, 2015, 11:16:41 AM »

Quote from: River City John on January 31, 2015, 10:29:55 AM

Read up on the Road Ranches along the Oregon Trail, the Nebraska Cut-off trail, etc.
Also Sutlers and Merchants at various posts along those trails. St. Louis was a huge outfitter base for wagon trains moving west.

But, Road Ranches set up to accommodate homesteaders and pioneers moving westward (or those gone busted moving back eastward . . .) would be the closest in concept of what you're talking about.

RCJ

Yeah, whole different deal there, on the cattle trails there wasn't much between Doan's Store and the RR.

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Sir Charles deMouton-Black · « **Reply #23 on:** January 31, 2015, 12:24:46 PM »

Del said; "If it wasn't that way they'd have kept running them into Sediala Missouri and saved a lot of miles."

One of the reasons that the cattle trails changed was that Texas cattle became very unpopular with local farmers due to disease. Local bans were one of the reasons that the cattle drovers had to do a left flanking on the sodbusters to reach a rail-head.

Lots of articles show up on google, but here is one;

http://digital.library.okstate.edu/encyclopedia/entries/T/TE022.html

Feed along the trail was very important. Historically, the Camino Real in Spain was meant to be a conduit for livestock to be driven to market, but became virtually a desert.

Blair · « **Reply #24 on:** January 31, 2015, 01:29:24 PM »

Also, If you are Homesteading, Farm or Ranch, you didn't want range cattle feeding on the graze and or croups you might need to put up for your own stock, especially during the winter months.
Many of the trail herds had to skirt the paths of previous herd by several miles just to find enough graze for their cattle.
My best,
Blair

Shotgun Franklin · « **Reply #25 on:** January 31, 2015, 01:44:15 PM »

Hmmmm, that's odd. Hundreds of miles of cattle trails went through Texas, many right past both cities and town. Nacona Boots owes it's existence to the cattle trails going right by the factory. Of course you'd need to actually know some history to know that. Maybe ya'll need a new book?

Delmonico · « **Reply #26 on:** January 31, 2015, 02:25:48 PM »

Don't need different books but need to utilize the ones out there.

Complicated, protozoa, arthropods, immunity to ones from a certain area, well documented.

http://homesteadontherange.com/texas-fever/

nagantino · « **Reply #27 on:** January 31, 2015, 02:46:31 PM »

This is a great thread. It starts off all sorts of questions like......which trail drive produced the best chow for the cowpokes, which provided the worst. I guess we'll never know but isn't it great to imagine. Everything in life produces good and bad, good bars, bad bars, good restaurants, bad restaurants, good chuck wagons and bad ones. Oh yeah and no wine jeez.

Sir Charles deMouton-Black · « **Reply #28 on:** January 31, 2015, 03:19:32 PM »

All the articles that I previewed stated that Texas cattle were immune to Texas fever. It was when they traveled outside their home environment that trouble happened. I am not messing with Texas, just describing a natural occurence.

Shotgun Franklin · « **Reply #29 on:** January 31, 2015, 03:29:31 PM »

Well, if one of the resident experts says it, it must be true.

Forty Rod · « **Reply #30 on:** February 01, 2015, 11:25:02 PM »

Quote from: Delmonico on January 31, 2015, 11:15:34 AM

Plan is by next Christmas, I need some more pictures also.

I'll need at least four, maybe more.

Delmonico · « **Reply #31 on:** February 02, 2015, 09:53:27 AM »

Quote from: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on January 31, 2015, 03:19:32 PM

All the articles that I previewed stated that Texas cattle were immune to Texas fever. It was when they traveled outside their home environment that trouble happened. I am not messing with Texas, just describing a natural occurence.

Thanks Pard, I should have made it more simpler.

I could dig out a lot more, but it's a waste of time when people are very capable of it on there own. Most don't know some of the drives went further north to the UP and not the KP. I live about 1/2 mile from where one branch of that trail went up the drainage's to Schuyler Nebraska. Yep lasted a year and a half, minor little battles over people settling along the trail and yet another one moved further west.

If you read "We Pointed them North" by Teddy "Blue" Abbot who grew up near Lincoln it has a bit on this trail. Also from the description of the stampede on the Blue River he describes the cowboy how died is most likely buried somewhere on or near the campus of Doane College inn Crete Nebraska and I can also take you and show you where the homestead was he grew up on, a convent is there now.

So now, you are welcome to be sarcastic some more and tell us about the history of where we grew up and the area the comments were directed about.

Delmonico · « **Reply #32 on:** February 02, 2015, 09:55:19 AM »

Quote from: Forty Rod on February 01, 2015, 11:25:02 PM

I'll need at least four, maybe more.

Looks to be gonna be close to 500 pages, getting recipes done now, although that is a minor part of the book, just my favorite ones I do in camp, but writing them down is much harder than just making them, I'm having to do math on this part.

Texas Lawdog · « **Reply #33 on:** February 02, 2015, 11:30:10 AM »

We can thank Charles Goodnight for ad venting the Chuck Wagon on his cattle drives on his Goodnight Trail.

Blair · « **Reply #34 on:** February 02, 2015, 12:09:21 PM »

TL,

This is very true.
If my memory serves me well, Charles Goodnight bought surplus Civil War period Hospital Ambulance wagons, and converted the wagon box to the "chuck wagon box" style as we think of them today.
These were rather unstable and tended to be top heavy, but did good service in the early years.
My best,
Blair

Delmonico · « **Reply #35 on:** February 02, 2015, 12:18:23 PM »

I am one who thinks he made it famous, there is evidence they existed before, his though was well refined.

nagantino · « **Reply #36 on:** February 02, 2015, 05:24:38 PM »

Has anyone a good photo of a chuck wagon or a diagram to show cooking, storage, wet and dry areas? I've seen some from Civil War and Crimean War photos and line drawing but they were huge catering for divisions. On ships of that era the cooking was done on brick ovens and steel plates. These were doused in heavy weather and before battle for fire prevention.

Delmonico · « **Reply #37 on:** February 02, 2015, 06:18:44 PM »

I may when I get home in my files, if not I think I can find some.

Delmonico · « **Reply #38 on:** February 03, 2015, 08:30:04 AM »

Much better, higher resolution than I can post. Ignore the ones on the Chuck Wagon Cafe.

Type Chuck Wagon into the link, it won't let me direct like, not uncommon with such sites.

http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/photographs/

Sir Charles deMouton-Black · « **Reply #39 on:** February 03, 2015, 09:45:18 AM »

search "cowboys & chuck wagon" and you will get some more good pictures.

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